What Kirkman could have done for Cable

Langsta

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I was just thinking: Ultimate Cable could have been future Doctor Doom. Bear with me for a minute.

All right, as some of you may know, Apocalypse was a Fantastic Four villain before he was an X-Men villain (which is probably why they had the Ult. X-Men team up with Ult. F4 to fight Apocalypse).

Now, in the Ultimate Marvel Secrets Handbook, it says that Ultimate Doom is made of techno-organic organs. In the 616 universe, Cable has the techno-organic virus. Maybe they could have had it so that Cable is actually a future Doctor Doom who has learned the error of his ways and his techno-organic organs have been infected with the T-O virus, and he is now going back in the past to help his former archenemies the F4 defeat Apocalypse? Wouldn't that be swell?

Also, the character of Cable is known for his scarred face. Y'know who else has a scarred face? DOOM. I think this is what Kirkman should have done to Ultimize Cable. Thoughts?
 

Ice

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When/where was Apocalypse an F4 villain before he was an X-Men villain?
 

Ice

Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Oh. Well it doesn't really hurt my theory though.
It doesn't.


And your theory is interesting, I have to say. The thing I like is that it's not making "Doom was actually this character!" like what was done with Cable and Wolverine. People have become 'Doom' in other stories (though I think most are non-cannon).


But yeah, it's interesting.
 

Langsta

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It doesn't.


And your theory is interesting, I have to say. The thing I like is that it's not making "Doom was actually this character!" like what was done with Cable and Wolverine. People have become 'Doom' in other stories (though I think most are non-cannon).


But yeah, it's interesting.

Hm. Thanks.:)
 

Doc Comic

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I think that Cable should have turned out to be Ultimate Speedball, after a horrible battle and subsequent explosion that robs him of his powers.

I'M DEEP NOW! I'M DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
 

Willverine

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Also, the character of Cable is known for his scarred face. Y'know who else has a scarred face? DOOM. I think this is what Kirkman should have done to Ultimize Cable. Thoughts?


Y'know who else had a scarred face? HITLER.

No wait, he didn't. I just had to go there.

Beyond that, I'm fine with Kirkman's Ultimate Cable.
 

Zombipanda

My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
My problem with making Cable into Doom is that it would really detract from the core components of the book. X-Men should stay with its core components: the inherent hatred in the hearts of man towards things that are different. It's the idea that, regardless of evolution or whatever you want to call it, regardless of the fantastic leaps in technology and basic life that the mutant gene opens up, there will still be hate. People will continue to be petty, hateful creatures, and the mutants, despite all their talk of evolution and the next stage of man, still have hearts that are vulnerable to this pettiness. I feel like it would be an interesting twist for the Doom character, but wouldn't provide any real resonance with the X-Men mythos.

To be honest, I don't have any problems with Cable being Wolverine. It's not that Wolverine is a bad character - merely that he's too often used as a stock character without any genuine attempts at growth. I think the real problem Kirkman made was turning Cable into a good guy.

Ultimate Wolverine's whole story arc was about a man who was raised as a monster, trained to do nothing but kill, but who manages to overcome his innate programming and become human. Xavier is his salvation. But we've gotten hints, from before Kirkman's run, that Xavier's not everything he seems to be. There are strong implications that he's willing to take drastic measures to insure his vision of a peaceful future. He's not Gandhi or Martin Luther King. He's ultimately well-intentioned, but perfectly willing to manipulate and cajole to put his master plan into effect. And with a brain of that power, it only makes sense.

Xavier is perfectly willing to use Wolverine as an attack dog, just as Wolverine's old masters did. The difference is intent.

And when we're first introduced to Cable, it's a compelling evolution of the character. He's a soldier, a soldier who followed Xavier into the crucible and got burned for it. Xavier's plan failed, and the world is a wasteland, because of it. So, Cable does what he needs to do. He travels back in time and murders the man who taught him compassion. There's a central character progression that's both natural and organic. And there's a powerful message about the nature of pride. The world fails because of great men who do evil things to try and insure the future. It's the foot soldier, who fights for what he believes in, who tries to fix the immediate problems of the present, rather than insure the future, who proves to be the hero - even though he recognizes that he'll be villainized for his actions, insuring that there's no redemption for his past self, that he's relegating himself to a life as a pariah by following through with his plan.

Instead we get a rather typical, ***-dragging story with giant spreads and guest appearances by everyone under the sun.

Willverine said:
Y'know who else had a scarred face? HITLER.

Zing! Now we've solved the mystery of Hitler's mustache. I always figured he had a hair lip.

Edit: Besides, I like Doom as an evil SOB. If it turns out he's going to become a good guy in the future, that kind of reduces the impact of Doom in the present. There's only so much bending a character can do before they break.
 
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Foolsfolly

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My problem with making Cable into Doom is that it would really detract from the core components of the book. X-Men should stay with its core components: the inherent hatred in the hearts of man towards things that are different. It's the idea that, regardless of evolution or whatever you want to call it, regardless of the fantastic leaps in technology and basic life that the mutant gene opens up, there will still be hate. People will continue to be petty, hateful creatures, and the mutants, despite all their talk of evolution and the next stage of man, still have hearts that are vulnerable to this pettiness. I feel like it would be an interesting twist for the Doom character, but wouldn't provide any real resonance with the X-Men mythos.

To be honest, I don't have any problems with Cable being Wolverine. It's not that Wolverine is a bad character - merely that he's too often used as a stock character without any genuine attempts at growth. I think the real problem Kirkman made was turning Cable into a good guy.

Ultimate Wolverine's whole story arc was about a man who was raised as a monster, trained to do nothing but kill, but who manages to overcome his innate programming and become human. Xavier is his salvation. But we've gotten hints, from before Kirkman's run, that Xavier's not everything he seems to be. There are strong implications that he's willing to take drastic measures to insure his vision of a peaceful future. He's not Gandhi or Martin Luther King. He's ultimately well-intentioned, but perfectly willing to manipulate and cajole to put his master plan into effect. And with a brain of that power, it only makes sense.

Xavier is perfectly willing to use Wolverine as an attack dog, just as Wolverine's old masters did. The difference is intent.

And when we're first introduced to Cable, it's a compelling evolution of the character. He's a soldier, a soldier who followed Xavier into the crucible and got burned for it. Xavier's plan failed, and the world is a wasteland, because of it. So, Cable does what he needs to do. He travels back in time and murders the man who taught him compassion. There's a central character progression that's both natural and organic. And there's a powerful message about the nature of pride. The world fails because of great men who do evil things to try and insure the future. It's the foot soldier, who fights for what he believes in, who tries to fix the immediate problems of the present, rather than insure the future, who proves to be the hero - even though he recognizes that he'll be villainized for his actions, insuring that there's no redemption for his past self, that he's relegating himself to a life as a pariah by following through with his plan.

Instead we get a rather typical, ***-dragging story with giant spreads and guest appearances by everyone under the sun.



Zing! Now we've solved the mystery of Hitler's mustache. I always figured he had a hair lip.

Edit: Besides, I like Doom as an evil SOB. If it turns out he's going to become a good guy in the future, that kind of reduces the impact of Doom in the present. There's only so much bending a character can do before they break.


AGREED!
 

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