Who's your favorite Golden Girl?

Who's your favorite

  • Dorothy

    Votes: 5 45.5%
  • Blanche

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Rose

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Sophia

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Total voters
    11
Man, do I miss the sitcom era of the 80s. Too much drama and reality bull**** on TV nowadays. Granted, I do love me some drama, but good sitcoms are so hard to find these days.
I'm equally conflicted about it, too.

On the one hand, you now have shows that have more complex characterizations (The Sopranos, Six Feet Under); more intellectually stimulating plots (Veronica Mars, Lost, Battlestar Galactica); more daring subject matter and 'adult' humor (Arrested Development, Weeds); and so forth...

But I definitely get what you're saying, about 80s sitcoms having a certain quality that today's shows lack, for better or worse.

I can't quite seem to pinpoint what it is, though. Hmmm...

Light-heartedness, perhaps? Whimsy?



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:roll:

You guys are way lame.
I really want to know -- why the hate, ZP?

No fond memories of the show? :?
 
I just read something yesterday that Golden Girls was getting pulled from Lifetime and moving to another network. Not sure which though, nor do I find it important enough to go back and try to find.
 
I'm equally conflicted about it, too.

On the one hand, you now have shows that have more complex characterizations (The Sopranos, Six Feet Under); more intellectually stimulating plots (Veronica Mars, Lost, Battlestar Galactica); more daring subject matter and 'adult' humor (Arrested Development, Weeds); and so forth...

You just pretty much named most of the shows I watch. The only ones I haven't gotten into are the comedies of today. Arrested Development, Weeds, The Office, How I Met Your Mother, My Name is Earl. . .all come highly recommended, but I just have trouble getting into them. I watch South Park, but it's a whole different thing from the sitcoms of yetseryear.

But I definitely get what you're saying, about 80s sitcoms having a certain quality that today's shows lack, for better or worse.

I can't quite seem to pinpoint what it is, though. Hmmm...

Light-heartedness, perhaps? Whimsy?

I think light-heartedness works well. That and a lot of them actually had a point. Instead of just doing humor for humor's sake, they tackled issues or had a moral to the story under all the gags. Today's comedies don't seem to have that, at least from my perspective. Drama has evolved, but the comedies of today. . .they're something totally different. Not necessarily bad, if you're into that sort of thing, but they don't really owe much to the sitcoms of the past, other then what sort of things they can get away with.

I just read something yesterday that Golden Girls was getting pulled from Lifetime and moving to another network. Not sure which though, nor do I find it important enough to go back and try to find.

Well, that's depressing. I'd never actually search for it, but if it was on (And it's on quite a bit), I'd watch it. But, hey, if it's on another cable network, I guess it doesn't really matter.
 
I just read something yesterday that Golden Girls was getting pulled from Lifetime and moving to another network. Not sure which though, nor do I find it important enough to go back and try to find.

Thank God, now I won't feel weird for watching Lifetime anymore. Not that it matters, I now own the entire series on DVD (for an incredibly low price too!!!).
 
Rose



Because Betty White owns everyone when it comes to comedic timing.
 
Oh, I have no problem with the subject matter. The Golden Girls (Along with a few other mid 80s sitcoms, like the Cosby Show and Roseanne) tackled a lot of social issues and changed TV in a lot of ways. I don't really dislike Blanche either; she was just my least favorite.

Man, do I miss the sitcom era of the 80s. Too much drama and reality bull**** on TV nowadays. Granted, I do love me some drama, but good sitcoms are so hard to find these days.
I normally like my comedy to be really dark and tasteless or extremely family friendly, so I think the last comedy program I really enjoyed was Action, which was aired and cancelled way back in 1999*...

I think part of the problem is that there's very little in today's comedies that tries to create some kind of core value system to bind all the funny stuff together. Whether or not you agreed with the idea of trying to create 'very special moments' within your sitcoms, I think their existence helps ground the humor better. The Nanny demonstrated an alternative personification of the 'important woman' whether its in the life of a teenage girl or a widow-less theatre producer. Roseanne showing us that despite the blue collar curmudgeonly foibles of an overweight, inside lies the heart of a true mother.

In short, the sitcoms of old were required to carry the weight of drama that existed outside of the police procedurals and courtroom dramas as it certainly wasn't being addressed in high concept action-adventure like MacGyver and Knight Rider. The only alternative outlet for drama to exist outside of the courtroom and the precinct was in the soap opera, and we all know how high brow those damn things are.**

I'm not thinking too hard about this but off the cuff, I'd say that because of the 90s suspicion towards excessive moral conviction and unapologetic navel gazing, two things have happened to TV between then and now: a) Sitcoms like Seinfeld and Frasier took an increasingly amoral (not to be confused with immoral) direction and b) The soap opera gave birth to more sophisticated spawn like Party of Five and My So-Called Life.

Today's sitcoms now give greater emphasis to the work place than they already did. This is good because workplace comedies are easier to syndicate to international markets and are less culturally polarizing than a sitcom about a middle class family of African Americans or a foursome of sexually active retirees living in Florida. Sure, there'll be the funny gay black interns or a token 'smart' Republican, but they're just standing in as archetypes within the office, they're not destabilizing values or re-contextualizing definitions of family (for comedic effect).

Workplace comedies aren't bad, it's just that the opportunities to make us think about our own values are significantly less (but not nonexistent) than they could be. I mean, okay, the boss is a moron and there's a social climber and there's the guy who passes all the blame to other people. The comedy practically writes itself, and rare is the writer who doesn't rely on that vast renewable resource as a crutch***.

I'm not saying that 30 Rock and Boston Legal are bad shows. They just operate in a neutral "OMG! My boss is an asstard too!" space that anyone can relate to, and just don't challenge our deeply set assumptions in the way that domestic comedies did. I could actually write paragraphs about HOW domestic comedies work, but this essay is long enough.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to unquestioningly deify the domestic comedy. Shows like Yes, Dear, Still Standing and Grounded for Life fail not because they are centered around a homogenous white middle-class palette, but because their comedy operates entirely around what big infantile doofuses adults and parents can be, and how precocious their children are at outwitting their dum dum ways.

In the meantime, as comedies grew more uninterested in addressing family values, the drama has begun to find ways to cross breed with other TV formats, whether its in the emo moments of black ops bad-*** Jack Bauer in 24 or the weepy desire for normalcy in Alias and Veronica Mars, or its ability to give rise to the woman's working drama in Judging Amy and Ally McBeal.

I'd talk more but I'm sleepy now.

*The year compound and I started hanging out for the first time. We were young back then. My nose wasn't melting off my face and I was a cradle-snatcher rather than a pedophile. He had all his hair and both his testicles.

**Answer from back of the book: Not very high brow at all.

***If you pay attention to my other TV essays, this is not the first time I've used the word crutch with the same connotation.
 
We should branch off some of this discussion into its own "What has happened to the sitcoms?" thread.

Or rather, "Should Betty White fly?"
 
Or rather, "Should Betty White fly?"

No. Betty White sacrificed all of her powers to save the Lizard-World of Sardonak from destruction. If she got the power to fly again, that would completely invalidate the impact of the story.
 
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Looks like Deadpool can call 'em.

Bea Arthur FTW!
 
No. Betty White sacrificed all of her powers to save the Lizard-World of Sardonak from destruction. If she got the power to fly again, that would completely invalidate the impact of the story.
Seriously though, I would like to know what you think of my theory, and am interested to see the mods branch off all similar discussions of such nature from this thread into antoher.
 
I normally like my comedy to be really dark and tasteless or extremely family friendly, so I think the last comedy program I really enjoyed was Action, which was aired and cancelled way back in 1999*...

I think part of the problem is that there's very little in today's comedies that tries to create some kind of core value system to bind all the funny stuff together. Whether or not you agreed with the idea of trying to create 'very special moments' within your sitcoms, I think their existence helps ground the humor better. The Nanny demonstrated an alternative personification of the 'important woman' whether its in the life of a teenage girl or a widow-less theatre producer. Roseanne showing us that despite the blue collar curmudgeonly foibles of an overweight, inside lies the heart of a true mother.

In short, the sitcoms of old were required to carry the weight of drama that existed outside of the police procedurals and courtroom dramas as it certainly wasn't being addressed in high concept action-adventure like MacGyver and Knight Rider. The only alternative outlet for drama to exist outside of the courtroom and the precinct was in the soap opera, and we all know how high brow those damn things are.**

I'm not thinking too hard about this but off the cuff, I'd say that because of the 90s suspicion towards excessive moral conviction and unapologetic navel gazing, two things have happened to TV between then and now: a) Sitcoms like Seinfeld and Frasier took an increasingly amoral (not to be confused with immoral) direction and b) The soap opera gave birth to more sophisticated spawn like Party of Five and My So-Called Life.

Today's sitcoms now give greater emphasis to the work place than they already did. This is good because workplace comedies are easier to syndicate to international markets and are less culturally polarizing than a sitcom about a middle class family of African Americans or a foursome of sexually active retirees living in Florida. Sure, there'll be the funny gay black interns or a token 'smart' Republican, but they're just standing in as archetypes within the office, they're not destabilizing values or re-contextualizing definitions of family (for comedic effect).

Workplace comedies aren't bad, it's just that the opportunities to make us think about our own values are significantly less (but not nonexistent) than they could be. I mean, okay, the boss is a moron and there's a social climber and there's the guy who passes all the blame to other people. The comedy practically writes itself, and rare is the writer who doesn't rely on that vast renewable resource as a crutch***.

I'm not saying that 30 Rock and Boston Legal are bad shows. They just operate in a neutral "OMG! My boss is an asstard too!" space that anyone can relate to, and just don't challenge our deeply set assumptions in the way that domestic comedies did. I could actually write paragraphs about HOW domestic comedies work, but this essay is long enough.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to unquestioningly deify the domestic comedy. Shows like Yes, Dear, Still Standing and Grounded for Life fail not because they are centered around a homogenous white middle-class palette, but because their comedy operates entirely around what big infantile doofuses adults and parents can be, and how precocious their children are at outwitting their dum dum ways.

In the meantime, as comedies grew more uninterested in addressing family values, the drama has begun to find ways to cross breed with other TV formats, whether its in the emo moments of black ops bad-*** Jack Bauer in 24 or the weepy desire for normalcy in Alias and Veronica Mars, or its ability to give rise to the woman's working drama in Judging Amy and Ally McBeal.

I'd talk more but I'm sleepy now.

*The year compound and I started hanging out for the first time. We were young back then. My nose wasn't melting off my face and I was a cradle-snatcher rather than a pedophile. He had all his hair and both his testicles.

**Answer from back of the book: Not very high brow at all.

***If you pay attention to my other TV essays, this is not the first time I've used the word crutch with the same connotation.





..........and with that ourchair proves why he's The God**** Hollywood Genius.
 
Seriously though, I would like to know what you think of my theory, and am interested to see the mods branch off all similar discussions of such nature from this thread into antoher.

very interesting. I've got some things to say about it a little later.
 
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