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E

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Excelsior Club
Here's the forum we discussed for talking about Ultimization ideas. This should only cover things that haven't happened yet or haven't been announced. Speculation on existing characters or storylines should go in the appropriate forums.

Mods, if you could give me a hand, there are quite a few threads scattered about this site that need to be moved here. If you could help me move them as you see them, I'd appreciate it.

Have fun!
 

Goodwill

Well-Known Member
Hey, I didn't know this was going to show up, but with compound and ourchair's ideas popping up sporadically I think this is a good idea... Well done, E! :)
 

Bass

Nexus of the World
So this part of the forum is for fanfic threads about ultimising characters? Were there really that many threads to warrant this?

Or does this include threads like "Ultimate Fantastic Four #18 speculations" as well?

The reason I ask is because if the latter threads were included here, wouldn't that mean this thread would get cluttered very quickly and become hard to navigate? Say I want to speculate on the next issue of Ultimate Spider-Man. I'd go to the Spider-Man section and look for the appropriate speculating thread. Here, the entire first page may not even have an ultimate comic on it (Runaways, New Avengers, Young Avengers, Daredevil, and whatever stuff the new kids are into these days).

Spreading them out, I would think, would make it easier for one who wants to find them easier. As far as I can tell, this move only makes it easier for people who for some reason, find speculation thread titles almost abhorrent to look at and want to avoid them at all costs.

I mean, the whole reason I joined this forum is because I found a speculation thread on Ultimate Thor. If they had all been buried together, I may not have found it.
 
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jtg3885

Banned
It's all being gathered here because some of us got tired of running into what seemed might be legitimate, interesting topics but were really just some fanboy's wank about what he'd died to see in the comic. They're for speculations that have little to no actual basis in the Ultimate Universe to date, such as Ultimate Vulture (who I'm pretty sure Bendis said he didn't want to do), Ultimate X-Factor as a porno company, etc. Speculation on Thor's origin, what Black Cat's reappearance will be like, how they might Ultimatize Lady Deathstrike in her upcoming arrival, and other topics that actually have something to do with what's going on in the comics will stay in their respective forums.

I believe it was also suggested that the Create a Character threads be moved in here, and that writers be allowed to mine anything in the forum for their own stories, but I don't know whether or not that particular idea has been implemented. UltimateE?
 

moonmaster

Without him, all of you would be lost souls roamin
jtg3885 said:
It's all being gathered here because some of us got tired of running into what seemed might be legitimate, interesting topics but were really just some fanboy's wank about what he'd died to see in the comic.
Hey, I am one of those fanboys. :furious:

(kidding) :D
 

E

Moderator
Excelsior Club
jtg3885 said:
It's all being gathered here because some of us got tired of running into what seemed might be legitimate, interesting topics but were really just some fanboy's wank about what he'd died to see in the comic. They're for speculations that have little to no actual basis in the Ultimate Universe to date, such as Ultimate Vulture (who I'm pretty sure Bendis said he didn't want to do), Ultimate X-Factor as a porno company, etc. Speculation on Thor's origin, what Black Cat's reappearance will be like, how they might Ultimatize Lady Deathstrike in her upcoming arrival, and other topics that actually have something to do with what's going on in the comics will stay in their respective forums.

I believe it was also suggested that the Create a Character threads be moved in here, and that writers be allowed to mine anything in the forum for their own stories, but I don't know whether or not that particular idea has been implemented. UltimateE?
That about covers it. Read my first post - speculation on actual events and issues in the UU should go in their appropriate forum. This forum is more like the fan fic forum - where people can share ideas, etc.

Enough threads to warrent a separate forum? Depends on how you want to look at it. There are several people who don't care to have threads like that in the regular forums, including myself. Same reason why we have a fanfic forum.
 

ourchair

Well-Known Member
UltimateE said:
That about covers it. Read my first post - speculation on actual events and issues in the UU should go in their appropriate forum. This forum is more like the fan fic forum - where people can share ideas, etc.

Enough threads to warrent a separate forum? Depends on how you want to look at it. There are several people who don't care to have threads like that in the regular forums, including myself. Same reason why we have a fanfic forum.
Okay, nod with me if I get this straight: All speculation about Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men, The Ultimates, Ultimate Iron Man, and all other titles currently in print go straight to their appropriate forum. Fan fic, as in wholly written pieces involving character action, dialogue and narration that involve fan's takes on comic book characters and concepts go STRAIGHT to the Fan Fic forum.

So what is the Baseless Speculation & Ideas niche? Is it:
A) Speculation on the future publishing plans of Ultimate Marvel, i.e. possible Ultimate Thor, Ultimate Hulk, etc.?

OR

B) For fans to post their random speculations (not as detailed fanfic, but as conceptual wankery) of Ultimate Marvel characters that will "probably" not see the light of day? "Ultimate Moon Knight ongoing!", "Ultimate Rocket Racer mini"

On one hand, I see that this forum has a very focused purpose in segregating all the stuff but on the other hand, I feel like there's a very fuzzy line that separates the two ideas listed above.

Realistically, ideas like compound's are either A) not going to see the light of day due to questionable subject matter (X-Factor as porno company) or B) Will not be in fitting with commercially driven creative directions (X-Force as foils for Spider-Man). So they are obviously just harmless wankery and fanciful play with the ideas and characters.

On the other hand, some ideas are written to FIT into the existing continuity, but are also fan ficcy as well. They're not just wanking for wank's sake --- they're meant to be plausible ideas that can be viewed SIMULTANEOUSLY as forecasting the directions in which the title can go AND as playing around with the characters: Fanfic and Speculation all at once.

It's obvious that compound's ideas and mine go straight here, but at the same time they still connect to the main forums, and may easily be dismissed as "just some random wankery" and overlooked for not being recognized as "where could UFF/UXM/USM et al. go?"
 

jtg3885

Banned
It's still wankery unless there's any kind of actual basis for the ideas. If Bendis says, Character X WILL appear, but gives no indication of when, how they'll be ultimatized, etc, that's still enough for speculation. Half of the crap that will end up in here probably will be general long-term 'speculation' because there's absolutely no evidence that it was even a thought in a writer's head, much less a potential arc or issue.
 

TheManWithoutFear

#1 reason not to join UC
Here's my first suggestion

Someone really good at fanfics should write an Ozesque story about Ultimate character that aren't caught up at the Trisk. so Bullseye, KillerShrike... etc... think about it. make it work it'd be cool.
 

ourchair

Well-Known Member
TheManWithoutFear said:
Someone really good at fanfics should write an Ozesque story about Ultimate character that aren't caught up at the Trisk. so Bullseye, KillerShrike... etc... think about it. make it work it'd be cool.
Don't forget Jigsaw! He'd totally match an Oz-like setting.
 

Friday

Well-Known Member
ourchair said:
Don't forget Jigsaw! He'd totally match an Oz-like setting.
You've got to get The Shocker in there too, just to give him some more screen time.

I miss him :cry:
 

ourchair

Well-Known Member
Baxter said:
You've got to get The Shocker in there too, just to give him some more screen time.

I miss him :cry:
Absolutely. As silly as his "Quilt-Man" costume is, I'd like to imagine him as a frustrated engineer from a corporation that refuses to see the applications of his technology and was unfairly sued for placing patents on his own inventions when company policy dictates he shouldn't (i.e. "all research made in our labs is corporate property") even if they weren't planning on using his technologies on the first place.
 

E

Moderator
Excelsior Club
ourchair said:
B) For fans to post their random speculations (not as detailed fanfic, but as conceptual wankery) of Ultimate Marvel characters that will "probably" not see the light of day? "Ultimate Moon Knight ongoing!", "Ultimate Rocket Racer mini"
Bingo.
 

roguefan

Well-Known Member
I'm not being stupid here, but please stop swearing JTG. This site is for all ages, and I'd hate to think that little children are coming onto this forum and repeating the language elsewhere. If I'd said something like what you'd said, I would have been grounded for at least a month. :?
 

Bass

Nexus of the World
UltimateE said:
ourchair said:
B) For fans to post their random speculations (not as detailed fanfic, but as conceptual wankery) of Ultimate Marvel characters that will "probably" not see the light of day? "Ultimate Moon Knight ongoing!", "Ultimate Rocket Racer mini"
Bingo.
Ah, ok. That clears it up. So the Ultimate Thor origin theory, the Ultimate Conspiracy, that kind of stuff stays where it us because its baseless speculation (aren't they all) but on topics that already exist. Ultimate Arnim Zola, goes here.

Fair enough. :)
 

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