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Nice to see today's episode locked in the date for this season of Agent Carter!

DIrishB said:
Guess we can just assume that Howard's offer to head up SHIELD (made at the end of the AC One shot) wasn't accepted immediately by Carter... or she was doing so while still employed at SSR... somehow.
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I like it--I just wish they'd have at least a throwaway line of dialogue to put the one-shot in context.

Of course, if they really do want to do away with the one-shot, they could always chalk it up to elder Peggy's unreliable memory conflating two events, her first unauthorized mission at the SSR one year after Captain America and her eventual transfer to SHIELD...I could live with that.

TC
 
wyokid said:
This wasn't theatrically released.
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So? I just used that as examples. I mean even marvel dvds I'd rather get Next Avengers 2 or Ultimate avengers 3 than this! the poiny remains. This got sequel yet more deserving stuff doesn't.
 
TalonCard said:
Nice to see today's episode locked in the date for this season of Agent Carter!



I like it--I just wish they'd have at least a throwaway line of dialogue to put the one-shot in context.

Of course, if they really do want to do away with the one-shot, they could always chalk it up to elder Peggy's unreliable memory conflating two events, her first unauthorized mission at the SSR one year after Captain America and her eventual transfer to SHIELD...I could live with that.

TC
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I missed how they locked in the date. It happened in 2x03?

And yeah, it's a huge shame to see the One-Shot disregarded and/or retconned.
 
dsethlewis said:
I missed how they locked in the date. It happened in 2x03?

And yeah, it's a huge shame to see the One-Shot disregarded and/or retconned.
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Yeah, the newspapers Peggy looks at in the Council of Nine meeting room say July 16, 1947, and then she says to Sousa and Thompson that they had tomorrows date.
 
dsethlewis said:
I missed how they locked in the date. It happened in 2x03?

And yeah, it's a huge shame to see the One-Shot disregarded and/or retconned.
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I don't see the One Shot as retconned. I just view it as AC Season 1 occurring in Spring, 1946, Peggy temporarily transferring to another office and the events of the One Shot happening and Howard making the SHIELD offer, and Peggy accepting but staying with SSR as the slow transition process of converting the SSR to SHIELD happens. Thus Season 2 picks up in Summer 1947 and Peggy is still working at SSR.

Don't forget the conversion of the SSR to SHIELD would've been a somewhat gradual process, due to the size and expansiveness of the organization coming out of WWII.

I don't think the One Shot can be considered retconned yet. At best the dating of the One Shot may be retconned so it occurs after the Agent Carter series. We'll see.
 
Why are these dated as 2000 and not 1999?


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Jessica Jones 1x08: "AKA WWJD?" (0:00:00 - 0:01:46)
Jessica Jones 1x08: "AKA WWJD?" (0:38:52 - 0:39:14)
Jessica Jones 1x11: "AKA I've Got the Blues" (0:00:00 - 0:03:12)
Jessica Jones 1x11: "AKA I've Got the Blues" (0:20:55 - 0:23:53)
Jessica Jones 1x11: "AKA I've Got the Blues" (0:40:21 - 0:41:26)

Jessica's journal that she was looking for after her parents died at the end of e6 was dated 1996-1999? Patsy's mom says "We'll buy you a new journal." Since jessica cant find it implying that solves the problem. This leads me to believe that Jessica was still actively writing in her journal as of that moment. Is there any evidence that these scenes take place post 1999?
 
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dsethlewis said:
And yeah, it's a huge shame to see the One-Shot disregarded and/or retconned.
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I don't see the One-Shot as being disregarded. Timeline wise, I just figure it's been pushed back beyond the one year after Captain America: The First Avenger. A while ago, the producers of the Agent Carter series pretty much said as much, seeing the short as the end of the series and the show building up to the moment when she is offered the SHIELD position.
 
Bob_A_Mickelson said:
Why are these dated as 2000 and not 1999?


????
Jessica Jones 1x08: "AKA WWJD?" (0:00:00 - 0:01:46)
Jessica Jones 1x08: "AKA WWJD?" (0:38:52 - 0:39:14)
Jessica Jones 1x11: "AKA I've Got the Blues" (0:00:00 - 0:03:12)
Jessica Jones 1x11: "AKA I've Got the Blues" (0:20:55 - 0:23:53)
Jessica Jones 1x11: "AKA I've Got the Blues" (0:40:21 - 0:41:26)

Jessica's journal that she was looking for after her parents died at the end of e6 was dated 1996-1999? Patsy's mom says "We'll buy you a new journal." Since jessica cant find it implying that solves the problem. This leads me to believe that Jessica was still actively writing in her journal as of that moment. Is there any evidence that these scenes take place post 1999?
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Because the bills for Jessica's hospital bills indicate 2000 (April if I recall correctly, but if have to double check).

Jessica wasn't in hospital for more than 4 months as far as I can tell, thus the accident occurred in 2000, not 1999, and due to the family vacation aspect I assume it happened during Spring Break, 2000.

And since the hospital bill is the first one (I believe, according to Patsy's mother adopting Jessica and beginning to pay the bills), it can safely be assumed the hospital didn't wait long before sending the bills (they never do).
 
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Do you know where that hospital scene is located id like to see if I can get a specific date off of the bill. the spring break there he seems pretty justifiable.
 
DIrishB said:
I don't see the One Shot as retconned. I just view it as AC Season 1 occurring in Spring, 1946, Peggy temporarily transferring to another office and the events of the One Shot happening and Howard making the SHIELD offer, and Peggy accepting but staying with SSR as the slow transition process of converting the SSR to SHIELD happens. Thus Season 2 picks up in Summer 1947 and Peggy is still working at SSR.

Don't forget the conversion of the SSR to SHIELD would've been a somewhat gradual process, due to the size and expansiveness of the organization coming out of WWII.

I don't think the One Shot can be considered retconned yet. At best the dating of the One Shot may be retconned so it occurs after the Agent Carter series. We'll see.
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So you're suggesting that Agent Flynn's office is different from the one that Jack Thompson runs. And Carter ends up at Flynn's office for three months after season 1, get offered a job running SHIELD with Stark, but because SHIELD takes a while to get going, Carter ends up back at Thompson's office and Stark gets into movies? I guess that could work.

At best the dating of the One Shot may be retconned so it occurs after the Agent Carter series. We'll see.
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Yeah, I'm hoping for that too.

Unfortunately, the show's creators don't really seem to care. They get asked point blank in this interview (starting at 8:14) if they are going to line up the show with the one-shot.
Tara Butters says, ".... the... well the problem is..." and then stops, Chris Dingess says, "Ehhh, I don't know.", and Michele Fazekas says, "Not really.... The only thing in the Agent Carter one-shot that doesn't fit into it is that at the end of the Agent Carter one-shot, Howard Stark calls and says, 'Hey, I'm starting SHIELD.'... So if that actually happened in 1946... and the problem is that we don't want to do a show called SHIELD, because there is already a show called SHIELD. So that's the one part that happened, but maybe not in 1946. Because we're actually shifting the show to '47.... We did get permission from Louis D'Esposito to do that."
 
Sounds to me after listening to the interview that the agent Carter one shot is considered non-canon by the show's producers. But to each their own. I think we wasted more than enough time debating whether or not it's Canon or not. If you think it's canon great if you think it's not Canon also great and just ignore It in the timeline
 
Bob_A_Mickelson said:
Do you know where that hospital scene is located id like to see if I can get a specific date off of the bill. the spring break there he seems pretty justifiable.
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I can't remember specifically but it'll be in one of those listed scenes you mentioned. Probably the one immediately following the car crash scene (possibly next episode, can't remember).

I can't remember specifically but I think a date of April, 2000 is scene either on a bill or on the outside of the envelope (the post office marking with date) showed that. Jessica was still in hospital at that point if I recall correctly (or maybe she'd just moved in with Patty and her mom, either or) so presumably it wasn't long after crash.

And like I said, it didn't seem to be winter so it likely wasn't winter break, and spring break logically would be a few weeks or a month before that date shown on envelope or bill at most.

That's what helped me place it, originally.

Captain Canuck said:
So you're suggesting that Agent Flynn's office is different from the one that Jack Thompson runs. And Carter ends up at Flynn's office for three months after season 1, get offered a job running SHIELD with Stark, but because SHIELD takes a while to get going, Carter ends up back at Thompson's office and Stark gets into movies? I guess that could work.
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Precisely.


Yeah, I'm hoping for that too.

Unfortunately, the show's creators don't really seem to care. They get asked point blank in this interview (starting at 8:14) if they are going to line up the show with the one-shot.
Tara Butters says, ".... the... well the problem is..." and then stops, Chris Dingess says, "Ehhh, I don't know.", and Michele Fazekas says, "Not really.... The only thing in the Agent Carter one-shot that doesn't fit into it is that at the end of the Agent Carter one-shot, Howard Stark calls and says, 'Hey, I'm starting SHIELD.'... So if that actually happened in 1946... and the problem is that we don't want to do a show called SHIELD, because there is already a show called SHIELD. So that's the one part that happened, but maybe not in 1946. Because we're actually shifting the show to '47.... We did get permission from Louis D'Esposito to do that."
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If anything we may have to move the One Shot to after AC Season 2 (or even Season 3 assuming there is one), and presume the "one year later" timeline marker has been retconned.
 
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DIrishB said:
I don't see the One Shot as retconned. I just view it as AC Season 1 occurring in Spring, 1946, Peggy temporarily transferring to another office and the events of the One Shot happening and Howard making the SHIELD offer, and Peggy accepting but staying with SSR as the slow transition process of converting the SSR to SHIELD happens. Thus Season 2 picks up in Summer 1947 and Peggy is still working at SSR.

Don't forget the conversion of the SSR to SHIELD would've been a somewhat gradual process, due to the size and expansiveness of the organization coming out of WWII.

I don't think the One Shot can be considered retconned yet. At best the dating of the One Shot may be retconned so it occurs after the Agent Carter series. We'll see.
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There are just so many assumptions being made to keep that thing inside the canon. It's difficult to make the call to de-canonize it because once that door is opened anything can be retconned in or out. I personally removed it from my own personal guide. The first assignment comment, the starting up of shield, using the term shield even though it wasn't established until IM 1, the grieving of Peggy when season 1 completed that arc, the fact footage from the one shot was used in S1 of the series, S2 taking place in 1947 making it entirely assumption how that happened...

I feel like the one shot was easier to swallow when it was just the single season, but now that they jumped a full year ahead it's getting pretty difficult to keep that one shot relevant. So much is just fan interpretation of what isn't ever shown...and they probably won't even address it which is why they just ripped off the bandaid and jumped a full year ahead so they wouldn't have to address it.
 
fuzzyfoot said:
There are just so many assumptions being made to keep that thing inside the canon. It's difficult to make the call to de-canonize it because once that door is opened anything can be retconned in or out. I personally removed it from my own personal guide. The first assignment comment, the starting up of shield, using the term shield even though it wasn't established until IM 1, the grieving of Peggy when season 1 completed that arc, the fact footage from the one shot was used in S1 of the series, S2 taking place in 1947 making it entirely assumption how that happened...

I feel like the one shot was easier to swallow when it was just the single season, but now that they jumped a full year ahead it's getting pretty difficult to keep that one shot relevant. So much is just fan interpretation of what isn't ever shown...and they probably won't even address it which is why they just ripped off the bandaid and jumped a full year ahead so they wouldn't have to address it.
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The thing is during the show all they need to do is make a reference to it. Have Howard say "I don't know why you chose to stay with these guys instead of running SHIELD with me" and then have Peggy give Sousa a yearning look. It's so easy to retcon into the show it's not even funny. The showrunners just need to have a want to do it. If the Russos/McFeely and Markus can figure out the Zola error then Butters, Fazekas, and Dingess can figure this out.
 
wyokid said:
The thing is during the show all they need to do is make a reference to it. Have Howard say "I don't know why you chose to stay with these guys instead of running SHIELD with me" and then have Peggy give Sousa a yearning look. It's so easy to retcon into the show it's not even funny. The showrunners just need to have a want to do it. If the Russos/McFeely and Markus can figure out the Zola error then Butters, Fazekas, and Dingess can figure this out.
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Wait, what fix? I'm aware of the Zola captured paradox but how did they figure it out as you say
 
Captain Canuck said:
What's the problem with Zola's capture?
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In Cap 1, Zola is captured immediately after the train sequence Bucky 'dies' in, in 1944. However, he tells them in Cap 2 he was captured in 1945 and somehow he was able to work Bucky's rehabilitation. So was he captured immediately after the train in 1944 which lead Cap to the final base, or was he still at large and worked on Bucky and somehow got captured a year later in 1945?
 
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