Arrowverse / DC-CW Timeline (v 3.0)

[selfishmisery]

I'm having a difficult time keeping up with all this, and I got things to care of, so no hard feelings but I'd prefer it if you put as much of what you got in mind into one post so I can read it later.

Thank you. ^^

 

[Pro Bot]

Superman Returns
Brandon Routh is playing Kingdom Come Superman. Things got dark after Superman Returns, huh? Wonder what happened to that kid of his... (nah, CW ain't that dark).

66niverse
The Justice League is around in Legends of the Superheroes, yet Wonder Woman suggests making "a League of their own" in Batman 66 meets Wonder Woman 77. This wouldn't be a problem if Robin wasn't in Legends of the Superheroes, since he was Nightwing in that comic. It's possible the comics will end up non-canon and Wonder Woman will be from another earth, but currently thats not the case, so it's best to find a solution.
Either:
1. Dick Grayson returned to his Robin persona.
2. Diana Prince didn't know of the Justice League.

Ehhh...Let's just disregard Legends of the Superheroes. Put it on the same boat as the 1975 Superman TV musical - these don't fit in this multiverse for being too suplimentary.

I'll take the comics as canon over some stage shows in front of fake sets.

Logical.

Timeline for 66niverse seems to go (at a glance):
1942
Wonder Woman S1

1966
Batman S1
Batman
Batman S2/The Green Hornet S1 (don't necessarily overlap/Batman episodes featuring The Green Hornet out of order)
Batman S3
Batman 66
Batman 66 meets the Green Hornet
Batman 66 meets the Man from U.N.C.L.E.
Batman 66 meets Steed and Mrs. Peel
Batman 66 meets Wonder Woman 77 (first half)
Batman 66 meets the Legion of Superheroes
Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders
Batman vs. Two-Face
Archie meets Batman 66
The Green Hornet 66 meets the Spirit

19??
Solo #7: Batman A-Go-Go (Batman's suit is slightly different)

1977-1978
Wonder Woman S2

1978-1979
Wonder Woman S3
Batman 66 meets Wonder Woman 77 (Batman returns to old suit/second half)
Wonder Woman 77
Wonder Woman 77 meets the Biomic Woman

Smallville
It's highly likely this will join the Arrowverse, with the Elseworlds tribute, so it's a good thing DIrishB gifted us with that timeline.

 

[selfishmisery]

Superman Returns
Brandon Routh is playing Kingdom Come Superman. Things got dark after Superman Returns, huh? Wonder what happened to that kid of his... (nah, CW ain't that dark).

66niverse
The Justice League is around in Legends of the Superheroes, yet Wonder Woman suggests making "a League of their own" in Batman 66 meets Wonder Woman 77. This wouldn't be a problem if Robin wasn't in Legends of the Superheroes, since he was Nightwing in that comic. It's possible the comics will end up non-canon and Wonder Woman will be from another earth, but currently thats not the case, so it's best to find a solution.
Either:
1. Dick Grayson returned to his Robin persona.
2. Diana Prince didn't know of the Justice League.

Ehhh...Let's just disregard Legends of the Superheroes. Put it on the same boat as the 1975 Superman TV musical - these don't fit in this multiverse for being too suplimentary.

I'll take the comics as canon over some stage shows in front of fake sets.

 

[Pro Bot]

The comic "Batman: The Lost Episode" should be non-canon, since it contradicts Batman vs. Two-Face, and particularly Harvey's origin. On another note, Bruce's hair is black, unlike other 66 media, which doesn't make it non-canon but indeed helps put it into question.

It should be treated as a deleted scene, since it's a "Lost Episode".
**Superman cameo in Batman '66 #73**
Probably shouldn't be treated as an indication that Adventures of Superman is canon.

 

[selfishmisery]

**Superman cameo in Batman '66 #73**View attachment 113
Probably shouldn't be treated as an indication that Adventures of Superman is canon.

Close enough. He's a DC property, unlike Bionic Woman or the (British spy) "Avengers".

This is literally giving me a headache, to be honest...

 

[Pro Bot]

Close enough. He's a DC property, unlike Bionic Woman or the (British spy) "Avengers".

This is literally giving me a headache, to be honest...

No kidding. So the logic with crossovers is if it's DC, instant canon, but if it's not, it needs to be a two-way crossover. Makes sense, still becomes overcrowded with old shows.

And... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_and_Superman
... I'd like to ignore this one. It's a one way crossover unlike The Green Hornet. Don't want to be Tommy Westphall.

Still, it's nice to think of these characters sharing a universe. Man, imagine a tv Justice League with Superman 55, Batman 66, Wonder Woman 77, Shazam 77, Green Hornet 66 and Martian Manhunter. Would be something, for sure.

 

[selfishmisery]

Ooof. All those posts disappeared. Did the site get hacked?

 

[Pro Bot]

Ooof. All those posts disappeared. Did the site get hacked?

No clue. It's all good, though. To sum it up, I would remove The Green Hornet from canon because Batman is a fictional TV show that can't be explained, unlike The Green Hornet as a show on Batman, which has to be interpreted as coincidental and not based on the hero, and the timeline goes something like.

Earth-21/66
1940s
Wonder Woman S1
Batman '66 meets Wonder Woman '77 (1-6 flashbacks)

1950s
Adventures of Superman S1
Adventures of Superman S2
Adventures of Superman S3
Adventures of Superman S4
Adventures of Superman S5
Adventures of Superman S6

1960s
Solo #7: Batman A-Go-Go (suit is different, don't know if there is contradictions placing it after the series)
Batman S1
Batman
Batman S2
Batman S3
Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders
Batman vs. Two-Face
Batman '66 #1-34
Batman '66 Meets the Green Hornet #1-12
Batman '66 #35-47
Batman '66 Meets the Man from U.N.C.L.E. #1-12
Batman '66 #48-73
Batman '66 Meets Steed and Mrs Peel #1-12
Batman '66 Meets Wonder Woman '77 #1-6
Batman '66 Meets the Legion of Superheroes #1
Archie Meets Batman '66 #1-12

1970s
Wonder Woman S2
Wonder Woman S3
Wonder Woman '77 #1-27
Batman '66 Meets Wonder Woman '77 #7-12
Wonder Woman '77 Meets the Bionic Woman

Adventures of Superman also has this going for it, helping it be considered canon.

**Batman '66 #72**

Earth-96/Kingdom Come
1948 to 1970s/1980s
Superman Returns: Prequel #1 (adaptation of Superman: The Movie early parts)

1990s
Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut

1999
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut

2006
Superman Returns: Prequel #3
Superman Returns: Prequel #4 (confirms a version of Batman exists)
Superman Returns: Prequel #2 (beginning of the film)
Superman Returns

 

[TalonCard]

I know it's all speculation at this point, but I sort of doubt that if Batman '66 is acknowledged in this Crisis crossover, that the comic series with all its associated crossovers will be taken into account. Seems more likely that Wonder Woman would get her own Earth, etc.

TC

 

[Pro Bot]

I know it's all speculation at this point, but I sort of doubt that if Batman '66 is acknowledged in this Crisis crossover, that the comic series with all its associated crossovers will be taken into account. Seems more likely that Wonder Woman would get her own Earth, etc.

TC

We'll see. A lot of the comics were contradicted in Earth-1, yet they work as an alternative timeline. I don't see them contradicting the comics, they're small stories about this universe, and since they're officially licenced, they're canon for now.

Maybe Wonder Woman will get her own earth, but does that really contradict Batman '66 meets Wonder Woman '77? That comic strongly links the shows together, yet that version of Wonder Woman could theoretically exist on multiple earths, similar to Christopher Reeves Superman. something like Wonder Woman is considered canon to Batman, but Batman isn't to Wonder Woman. I don't see it any different from The Green Hornet crossovers.

As long as they don't say "Earth-66" and "Earth-77", then we're fine keeping them in continuity with each other.

Cosmic Book News (probably unreliable) are spreading rumors about "DC Extended Universe" cameos/stock footage and "Smallville" Superman, "Wonder Woman (1975)" Wonder Woman and "Batman (1966)" Robin and two Titans characters will appear. We know that Bert Ward is in it.

It sounds fake, but yeah, why not mention it?

 

[TalonCard]

I mean, it's reasonable speculation, but Cosmic Book News seems so hilariously fake that I'd give your informed speculation more weight than their "exclusives" any day.

 

[Pro Bot]

I mean, it's reasonable speculation, but Cosmic Book News seems so hilariously fake that I'd give your informed speculation more weight than their "exclusives" any day.

Agreed, especially about that DCEU stock footage, but figured I'd mention it anyway. I could see them doing Smallville and Wonder Woman, though, but nevertheless, it's very much an unlikely rumor from a site trying to get clicks.

I don't see Titans or the DCEU joining, but I could see Smallville and Wonder Woman joining. I'd imagine there could be just a couple minutes of each cameo, maybe seconds, or a montage of Oliver warning those of the imminent crisis, but it will still canonise whatever they do into this multiverse.

I mean, all the speculation here is if Burt Ward is playing his Robin, or if Kingdom Come Superman is the same as the one from Superman Returns, and simply taking the licenced comics as canon.

Also, Cosmic Book News have a lot of "exclusives" apparently.

 

[Pro Bot]

Ok, Cosmic Book News are definitely bull****ing.
https://cosmicbook.news/daredevil-reboot-heroes-hire-mcu

 

[selfishmisery]

Ok, Cosmic Book News are definitely bull****ing.
https://cosmicbook.news/daredevil-reboot-heroes-hire-mcu

Wrong thread, mate.

 

[Pro Bot]

Wrong thread, mate.

Nope, it's to demonstrate that Cosmic Comics exclusives are completely unreliable, but I guess I'll post it in that one too.

 

[selfishmisery]

I'm slowly but surely getting the timeline up to date.

 

[Pro Bot]

After some reading, I believe Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut is non-canon and that Superman: The Movie: Special Edition is the true version of the film, since Richard Donner is not a fan.
https://screenrant.com/superman-movie-extended-cut-donner-criticisms/

 

[Pro Bot]

Vixen: The Movie's colors are inconsistent.

 

[selfishmisery]

Vixen: The Movie's colors are inconsistent.

Fixed.

 

[Pro Bot]

Vixen - The Movie (1:13:44 - 1:14:52) is half orange, half yellow.

 

[TalonCard]

After some reading, I believe Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut is non-canon and that Superman: The Movie: Special Edition is the true version of the film, since Richard Donner is not a fan.
https://screenrant.com/superman-movie-extended-cut-donner-criticisms/

It didn't occur to me at first that Brandon Routh's Superman has that additional legacy connection to the original Reeves movies, so positioning him as the Kingdom Come Superman carries a lot of story weight. I hope they lean into that.

TC

 

[Rman]

I'm currently in the middle of a rewatch before Crisis and just finished the 2015-2016 seasons. Just thought I'd point out that it makes more sense if Arrow Season 4 and Legends Season 1 end before The Flash Season 2. With the timeline the way it is now, they happen after Flashpoint which means they would be in the new timeline. However, Genesis and Schism both show baby Sara who would at that point be baby John. Now if Arrow: Genesis-Schism happens-before The Flash: Rupture-The Race of His Life not only would this contradiction be fixed, but it could explain why Oliver doesn't consider having Barry help him with Darhk since Barry would still be without his speed at this point. After finishing all these seasons I believe the timeline should be:

Arrow 4x20, "Genesis"
Arrow 4x21, "Monument Point"
Arrow 4x22, "Lost in the Flood"
Arrow 4x23, "Schism"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x16, "Legendary"
The Flash 2x20, "Rupture"
The Flash 2x21, "The Runaway Dinosaur" [Speed Force]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 39 (Link)
The Flash 2x22, "Invincible"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 40 (Link)
The Flash 2x23, "The Race of His Life" [Earth-2]
The Flash 3x01, "Flashpoint"

 

[selfishmisery]

I'm currently in the middle of a rewatch before Crisis and just finished the 2015-2016 seasons. Just thought I'd point out that it makes more sense if Arrow Season 4 and Legends Season 1 end before The Flash Season 2. With the timeline the way it is now, they happen after Flashpoint which means they would be in the new timeline. However, Genesis and Schism both show baby Sara who would at that point be baby John. Now if Arrow: Genesis-Schism happens-before The Flash: Rupture-The Race of His Life not only would this contradiction be fixed, but it could explain why Oliver doesn't consider having Barry help him with Darhk since Barry would still be without his speed at this point. After finishing all these seasons I believe the timeline should be:

Arrow 4x20, "Genesis"
Arrow 4x21, "Monument Point"
Arrow 4x22, "Lost in the Flood"
Arrow 4x23, "Schism"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x16, "Legendary"
The Flash 2x20, "Rupture"
The Flash 2x21, "The Runaway Dinosaur" [Speed Force]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 39 (Link)
The Flash 2x22, "Invincible"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 40 (Link)
The Flash 2x23, "The Race of His Life" [Earth-2]
The Flash 3x01, "Flashpoint"

Noted.

 

[selfishmisery]

Moved the final two episodes of Legends of Tomorrow S2 to immediately after 2x15 due to the events that transpire are significant timeline/universal changes.

 

[Pro Bot]

Kevin Conroy is playing Bruce Wayne of the future. I sure hope this isn't the DC Animated Universe version, because that's just too messy. I think he'll be playing Kingdom Come Batman (who was confirmed to exist in the singerverse in Superman Returns: Prequel, assuming they connect it).
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Bruce_Wayne_(Earth-22)

 

[selfishmisery]

I'd like to look at it this way:

1. DC Comic Multiverse
2. DC Live-Action Multiverse
3. DC Animated Multiverse
4. DC Video Game Multiverse

None of them likely mesh together.

 

[selfishmisery]

BTW I'll get this updated as soon as I can. My working schedule has been really hectic.

 

[Pro Bot]

Great to see the greatest Batman of all time in live-action, though, as long as it's not literally the same Batman. Nice addition to the current line-up.

I'd like to look at it this way:

1. DC Comic Multiverse
2. DC Live-Action Multiverse
3. DC Animated Multiverse
4. DC Video Game Multiverse

None of them likely mesh together.

I see it as:
DC Comics Multiverse
most DC Comics
Young Justice
any live-action or animated universe specified as canon

World's of DC Multiverse
DC Extended Universe
Donnerverse
Singerverse
Burtonverse
Nolanverse
Any DC Movie not specified

CW Multiverse
Earth-1
Earth-38
Earth-90
Black Lightning
Singerverse (?)
Batman (1966) (?)
Any crossover in Crisis on Infinite Earths
(Maybe) every DC TV show

DC Animated Multiverse
DC Animated Original Movies
DC Animated Universe
Any DC Animation

BTW I'll get this updated as soon as I can. My working schedule has been really hectic.

It's all good. Priorities, I get it.

 

[Pro Bot]

Arrow 7x01, "Inmate 4587" (0:14:11 - 0:14:46

Needs bracket.


...please? He's not denying it, so... there's a chance?

He also goes on to say that it looks like Lynda Carter won't be Wonder Woman, which is sad.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://www.slashfilm.com/crisis-on-infinite-earths-crossover/When asked if this would be a sequel to Superman Returns, Guggenheim said:

"I don't know if it's for me to say," Guggenheim said. "We're picking up so many years after the events of that movie, maybe a coda is a better word than sequel."

Sounds like the same version to me, although it won't exactly be a continuation, and more like a "coda".

I wasn't sure what that meant, so I looked it up.

the concluding passage of a piece or movement, typically forming an addition to the basic structure.
"the first movement ends with a fortissimo coda"

• the concluding section of a dance, especially of a pas de deux or the finale of a ballet in which the dancers parade before the audience.
• a concluding event, remark, or section.
  "his new novel is a kind of coda to his previous books"

So it sounds like the same version at a later point in his life.