Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

[Starvel]

This also works with it being around the same time as Thor LaT as that has to now be in May 2025

I see no reason why Wakanda Forever has any relation to Love and Thunder's placement or why it now has to be in 2025 over 2024

 

[Starvel]

I'm curious to see what Disney + does with their timeline. If it's like Multiverse of Madness and they squeeze it into 2024, I'd probably be more open to it. For now though, I feel like 2025 fits better, even with the "6 years" line.

I'm pretty certain that Disney+ will just throw it at the end of the timeline

 

[ThoughtTie24110]

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever Spoilers

Where would it make sense to show EDITH's glasses? Even in the slight chance they were in the movie, I don't think Late 2024 really fits given the weather as well as how close in proximity T'Challa's return from the blip and his death would be. I feel like it would have been brought up by Ramonda, Shuri, or Nakia on how unfair/cruel that would be if it were the case. It's bad enough if his death fell in 2024.

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever

In the Ironheart suit up scene, it could been seen the glasses briefly, now i'm not exactly sure they were there since the scene was pretty brief so i'm rewatching the film to be sure

Also, i think we could otherwise guide ourselves by Val's look in the film, even if the look of a person doesn't really can specify when does a film ocurrs i think this would nicely bit after Falcon and the Winter Soldier and the Black Widow post credit scene

 

[selfishmisery]

Question: Judging from BP2 and set photos for the Ironheart show, is it conclusive that the Ironheart show is set before or after BP2?

 

[ThoughtTie24110]

Question: Judging from BP2 and set photos for the Ironheart show, is it conclusive that the Ironheart show is set before or after BP2?

Most probably Marvel will place it after Wakanda Forever

 

[Rman]

I'm pretty certain that Disney+ will just throw it at the end of the timeline

Not always. They did put MoM before Hawkeye and recently She-Hulk before Ms. Marvel.

 

[FruityWho50]

Just got back from Seeing Black Panther: WF omg such a great film tbh this might sound Sacraligious but I was and still am of the belief that Black Panther was very overrated movie (that's just my opinion compared to the other MCU films) but I honestly believe that Wakanda Forever beats the original and is the 2nd best movie of phase 4 only being beaten by Spider-Man No way home because of its nostalgia and multiverse plot points

 

[FruityWho50]

Anyway I tried to find any dates that stood out to me on Monitors, set props,etc. Nothing.

Just reiterating the stuff people already have on here

Prologue takes place either late 2023 or sometime in 2024 (my guess is around May/June) judging by the short sleeved shirts

Majority of the film takes place an exact year later (again suggesting a May/June 2025 placement because of casual lighter clothing being worn in a large majority of different locations around the world especially in the Virginia and MIT scenes)

And the events in the film span around about a week

Spoiler: Black Panther Plot timeline (massive spoilers!)

Monday - French attack on the Wakandan outreach centre
Tuesday - 1 year anniversary of T'Challa's passing,Queen Romonda talks at the UN meeting,Shuri & Romonda meet Namor
Wednesday - Okoye and Shuri recruit Riri…
Thursday - Okoye returns to Wakanda and is fired…….Namor Attacks Wakanda


Thursday/Friday? - Funeral, Shuri becoming black Panther
Saturday? - Building montage?
Etc.

Sunday? - Ocean Battle,rescue Ross
Monday? - Shuri goes to Nakia and Mid credits scene

That's a very basic outline of the span of the movie

 

[ThoughtTie24110]

Just got back from Seeing Black Panther: WF omg such a great film tbh this might sound Sacraligious but I was and still am of the belief that Black Panther was very overrated movie (that's just my opinion compared to the other MCU films) but I honestly believe that Wakanda Forever beats the original and is the 2nd best movie of phase 4 only being beaten by Spider-Man No way home because of its nostalgia and multiverse plot points

I have to agree on your opinion of Black Panther, i actually think Wakanda Forever is better than the original and personally i think it is either my Top 1 or 2 in films from Phase Four

 

[Rman]

So, I've been narrowing down my personal timeline and thought I would share some personal insights I had regarding Age of Ultron, Civil War, Black Widow, and Black Panther. For the most part, it matches the site, it's just a little more specific and falls later in April causing a crossover into May.
(These are just for the main events of each movie)

Age of Ultron- April 15th-23rd 2015.
Civil War- April 24th, 2016, April 27th-May 1st 2016, May 15th, 2016.
Black Widow- April 30th-May 3rd 2016, May 15th, 2016.
Black Panther- May 4th-12th 2016.

I came up with these dates wanting to follow these points of evidence (some of these have been mentioned before, I'm just including all of my reasoning):

1. In Civil War, Zemo mentions that he's been working on his plan for "over a year". So, Civil War should at least be over a year since Age of Ultron. Sokovia would fall on April 22nd, 2015, and Zemo's line would fall on April 29th, 2016.
2. AoS shows us Peggy Carter's obituary. In it, her age is listed as 95 and she was born on April 9th, 1921. So, her death has to occur after April 9th, 2016. Here her death would fall on April 24th, 2016.
3. As most here know, the beginning of Civil War shows a March dated paper in Lagos and the main events of the movie pick up the following month. The scene at the Avengers compound would be on April 24th.
4. Civil War also tells us that Charlie Spencer wanted to spend his Summer in Sokovia, so the closer we can get Age of Ultron to Summer while still being April, the better.
5. Ant-Man ends in October and mentions what seems to be references to Spider-Man. If Peter received his powers 6 months prior to Civil War, then him saying this on April 28th fits.
6. Clint and Scott are both placed under house arrest for 2 years due to the events of Civil War. Scott's sentence ends in early May 2018 and Clint is shown to still be under it in Mid-May 2018. Once again fitting with April 2016 with them receiving their sentences in May 2016.
7. Black Panther should begin a week after T'Chaka's death (April 27th, May 4th).
8. I came up with days of the week from the movies themselves. For example, Age of Ultron should begin on a Wednesday as it's a few days before the party we're told is going to be on Saturday (April 18th). Counting the days after the party has the Sokovia battle fall on the 22nd and I have the scene of Clint returning to his farm on the 23rd. With Civil War, the airport battle should fall on a Friday (April 29th) as Peter then spends the rest of the weekend in Germany before Tony returns him home on Sunday. The Accords signing is a couple of days earlier on Wednesday (April 27th) and a few days prior is Ross at the compound (April 24th).

The reasoning behind Civil War having more of an early April placement in the past is due to the package Tony receives being dated April 14th. Black Widow shows us this scene happens 2 weeks after the events of that movie (her helping Steve in the Raft escape), and there's no way to squeeze the events of CW, BW, and BP before April 14th and still fit with Lagos being "last month" in March. Especially with Peggy's death needing to occur after April 9th. So, like certain dates, I feel like this should be ignored, which the site here has already decided to do.

These dates also account for AoS and for the most part fit well with where the site has the show. For example, 2x14 of AoS mentions a "Taco Tuesday" if you date the surrounding episodes, you get 2x11 ending on March 28th and 2x12 as beginning on April 3rd. The site currently has 2x11 as the last episode in March and 2x12 as the first in April, so it fits perfectly with Age of Ultron. Also, using the "Taco Tuesday" date allows 2x19 and Coulson having the Avengers go after the Scepter occur on a Wednesday, matching perfectly with the movie also needing to begin on that day of the week.

 

[fuzzyfoot]

Question: Judging from BP2 and set photos for the Ironheart show, is it conclusive that the Ironheart show is set before or after BP2?

A lot of the toys for BP list her armor as MK 1, so I assume that her show would be MK 2 or further.

 

[woodlark_289]

Spoiler: ironheart

mark i is used at MIT, mark ii is used in the final battle

 

[marioxb]

Has anyone else mentioned that

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever

Namor calls himself a mutant?

 

[FruityWho50]

So, I've been narrowing down my personal timeline and thought I would share some personal insights I had regarding Age of Ultron, Civil War, Black Widow, and Black Panther. For the most part, it matches the site, it's just a little more specific and falls later in April causing a crossover into May. (These are just for the main events of each movie)
Age of Ultron- April 15th-23rd 2015.
Civil War- April 24th, 2016, April 27th-May 1st 2016, May 15th, 2016.
Black Widow- April 30th-May 3rd 2016, May 15th, 2016.
Black Panther- May 4th-12th 2016.

I came up with these dates wanting to follow these points of evidence (some of these have been mentioned before, I'm just including all of my reasoning):

1. In Civil War, Zemo mentions that he's been working on his plan for "over a year". So, Civil War should at least be over a year since Age of Ultron. Sokovia would fall on April 22nd, 2015, and Zemo's line would fall on April 29th, 2016.
2. AoS shows us Peggy Carter's obituary. In it, her age is listed as 95 and she was born on April 9th, 1921. So, her death has to occur after April 9th, 2016. Here her death would fall on April 24th, 2016.
3. As most here know, the beginning of Civil War shows a March dated paper in Lagos and the main events of the movie pick up the following month. The scene at the Avengers compound would be on April 24th.
4. Civil War also tells us that Charlie Spencer wanted to spend his Summer in Sokovia, so the closer we can get Age of Ultron to Summer while still being April, the better.
5. Ant-Man ends in October and mentions what seems to be references to Spider-Man. If Peter received his powers 6 months prior to Civil War, then him saying this on April 28th fits.
6. Clint and Scott are both placed under house arrest for 2 years due to the events of Civil War. Scott's sentence ends in early May 2018 and Clint is shown to still be under it in Mid-May 2018. Once again fitting with April 2016 with them receiving their sentences in May 2016.
7. Black Panther should begin a week after T'Chaka's death (April 27th, May 4th).
8. I came up with days of the week from the movies themselves. For example, Age of Ultron should begin on a Wednesday as it's a few days before the party we're told is going to be on Saturday (April 18th). Counting the days after the party has the Sokovia battle fall on the 22nd and I have the scene of Clint returning to his farm on the 23rd. With Civil War, the airport battle should fall on a Friday (April 29th) as Peter then spends the rest of the weekend in Germany before Tony returns him home on Sunday. The Accords signing is a couple of days earlier on Wednesday (April 27th) and a few days prior is Ross at the compound (April 24th).

The reasoning behind Civil War having more of an early April placement in the past is due to the package Tony receives being dated April 14th. Black Widow shows us this scene happens 2 weeks after the events of that movie (her helping Steve in the Raft escape), and there's no way to squeeze the events of CW, BW, and BP before April 14th and still fit with Lagos being "last month" in March. Especially with Peggy's death needing to occur after April 9th. So, like certain dates, I feel like this should be ignored, which the site here has already decided to do.

These dates also account for AoS and for the most part fit well with where the site has the show. For example, 2x14 of AoS mentions a "Taco Tuesday" if you date the surrounding episodes, you get 2x11 ending on March 28th and 2x12 as beginning on April 3rd. The site currently has 2x11 as the last episode in March and 2x12 as the first in April, so it fits perfectly with Age of Ultron. Also, using the "Taco Tuesday" date allows 2x19 and Coulson having the Avengers go after the Scepter occur on a Wednesday, matching perfectly with the movie also needing to begin on that day of the week.

Just wanted to say thanks for putting in the hard work for the MCU Timeline stuff about your placement for Ultron to Black Panther, And even putting in the overlapping dates and your working out (you make it look so easy)

I'd love to have a look at your personal timeline document and see if we can collaborate on our placements because atm I feel like I have Phase One and a large Majority of Phase Two completed but am having trouble with a lot of the Netflix,ABC and Hulu Shows overlapping in Phase 3 and the vagueness and inconsistencies of phase 4

(I tried sending this as a conversation but it wouldn't let me)

 

[ThoughtTie24110]

Has anyone else mentioned that

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever

Namor calls himself a mutant?

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever

I would assume the term 'mutant' has been recently referred to people who have simply superhuman abbilities, as for why does Namor reffers to himself textually as a mutant (he literally says "I'm a mutant"), we would need an explanation if the term already exists within the MCU and since this is the only time they have used the term 'mutant' in the whole franchise (appart from Bruno saying Kamala has a 'mutation') we would have to know how did the term originated in future projects

About my opinion of keeping Namor a mutant in the MCU, i'm pretty satisfied, after years of having the exclusion of mutants from the MCU due to the rights belonging to Fox, this year we've got introduced 3 of them, with the confirmation of Wolverine also returning in Deadpool 3 and the references he had in She-Hulk, i just hope Marvel treats them right and not just as some random superhumans

 

[Rman]

Just wanted to say thanks for putting in the hard work for the MCU Timeline stuff about your placement for Ultron to Black Panther, And even putting in the overlapping dates and your working out (you make it look so easy)

I'd love to have a look at your personal timeline document and see if we can collaborate on our placements because atm I feel like I have Phase One and a large Majority of Phase Two completed but am having trouble with a lot of the Netflix,ABC and Hulu Shows overlapping in Phase 3 and the vagueness and inconsistencies of phase 4

(I tried sending this as a conversation but it wouldn't let me)

I'll start a conversation and share some of my breakdowns with you.

EDIT: I'm having trouble starting a conversation too. So, I shared my thoughts here.

 

[Rman]

I'm sure people on here are familiar with A Bit of Everything's timeline videos on YouTube. He posted one for Wakanda Forever that

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever Spoilers

shows the newsticker during the Anderson Cooper scene discussing Ramonda's death is showing "Ritson Signed Trade Pact With New Asgard". While it's not related to the timeline, Ritson is the current U.S. president in the MCU played by Dermot Mulroney who will make his debut in Secret Invasion. I love little moments of world-building like this.

 

[ThoughtTie24110]

Talking about Wakanda Forever connections to Secret Invasion, it also looks like the Everett Ross shot from the trailer could be related to him hiding from the CIA after being released by the Midnight Angels

 

[Rman]

Geekritique posted a video related to Wakanda Forever. It pretty much agrees with where I'm personally leaning.

WAKANDA FOREVER's Confusing Timeline Explained

 

[FruityWho50]

Same I feel like a late May to mid June 2025 timeframe would be perfect not only in terms of continuity (granted that 6 year line isn't great) but also fits perfectly between the end of Moon knight and the Start of She Hulk but I'm still unsure if she hulk starts in late June or early July if someone could figure out how many days pass before the Gala scene on August 16th (with the late June Spider-Man NWH post credits scene it's starting to jumble up to close to other projects)

 

[woodlark_289]

Spoiler: bp2

my personal placement (until secret invasion can give us more information):

- 1517/1571 (cant remember specific year) - Talokan is founded by the Yucatan people in the midst of the Spanish Inquisition and Kulkulkan is born

- early June 2018 - Nakia, pregnant with T'Challa's child, leaves Wakanda

- mid may 2024 - T'Challa dies

- mid-late may 2025 - main events of the film


this placement allows t'challa to still be alive during falcon and the winter soldier, give t'challa more time with his family before his passing and give the main events of the film more room to breathe in 2025 as well as being closer to the events of secret invasion, supposedly set in october-november 2025; this placement also allows for all of fontain'e scenes to be in chronological order across projects as well as giving us a hint at a potential quantumania placement with scott being on his book tour in mid-2025; this placement also allows nakia to not have quite been gone for 7 years (june 2018-may 2025 is technically 6 years still) - a little bit of a stretch i admit but better than placing the film solely around the "6 years" line imo.

would love to know what everyone thinks and if anyone else can remember the specific year of namor's birth



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[Basilisk]

Spoiler: bp2

my personal placement (until secret invasion can give us more information):

- 1517/1571 (cant remember specific year) - Talokan is founded by the Yucatan people in the midst of the Spanish Inquisition and Kulkulkan is born

- early June 2018 - Nakia, pregnant with T'Challa's child, leaves Wakanda

- mid may 2024 - T'Challa dies

- mid-late may 2025 - main events of the film


this placement allows t'challa to still be alive during falcon and the winter soldier, give t'challa more time with his family before his passing and give the main events of the film more room to breathe in 2025 as well as being closer to the events of secret invasion, supposedly set in october-november 2025; this placement also allows for all of fontain'e scenes to be in chronological order across projects as well as giving us a hint at a potential quantumania placement with scott being on his book tour in mid-2025; this placement also allows nakia to not have quite been gone for 7 years (june 2018-may 2025 is technically 6 years still) - a little bit of a stretch i admit but better than placing the film solely around the "6 years" line imo.

would love to know what everyone thinks and if anyone else can remember the specific year of namor's birth



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Spoiler: Wakanda Forever

Could you remind me what was in FATWS that connected to T'Challa timeline-wise?

I've seen a few people say they want T'Challa to have had time with his family, and while I love the character and want him to have had that time, it's not a great bit of timeline reasoning. All we know is he died of a sickness that he kept a secret - it doesn't have to have developed after the blip.

As always, there's different pieces of information that pull on the timeline in certain ways. Some information is given more weight than others, and I think more weight should be given to the 6 years line than a desire for T'Challa to have had time with his family, so the pull towards 6 years should be stronger than the pull away.

Also as always, hopefully future projects give connections to join more dots with and place things with more certainty (and not less!)

 

[Basilisk]

Geekritique posted a video related to Wakanda Forever. It pretty much agrees with where I'm personally leaning.

WAKANDA FOREVER's Confusing Timeline Explained

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever

I've only recently checked out this guy's stuff, and it's really good and well reasoned. I think he's right to point out that there's wriggle room in that bit of dialogue about 6 years to not be directly after the snap. But I think it neglects that T'Challa Jr was a secret, and having Nakia leave in 2019 doesn't line up with a timeline for her pregnancy

 

[fuzzyfoot]

Spoiler: Wakanda Forever

Could you remind me what was in FATWS that connected to T'Challa timeline-wise?

I've seen a few people say they want T'Challa to have had time with his family, and while I love the character and want him to have had that time, it's not a great bit of timeline reasoning. All we know is he died of a sickness that he kept a secret - it doesn't have to have developed after the blip.

As always, there's different pieces of information that pull on the timeline in certain ways. Some information is given more weight than others, and I think more weight should be given to the 6 years line than a desire for T'Challa to have had time with his family, so the pull towards 6 years should be stronger than the pull away.

Also as always, hopefully future projects give connections to join more dots with and place things with more certainty (and not less!)

Spoiler: Spoilers Forever

I think they are working backwards from the final placement. So if say its Spring 2025, then it's entirely possible that when the Dora show up in FATWS, T'Challa is already dead. If it is Summer 2025, then you have more room there to work with. I'm inclined to say Summer just for that reason, because it seems weird that the Dora don't seem overly sad about what's going with Zemo and they would also most likely be busy with the funeral arrangements.

Makes me wonder if whenever we see Bucky again he will bring up that he was there when T'Challa passed. Would really help anchor a couple of projects down.

 

[Rman]

Spoiler: bp2

my personal placement (until secret invasion can give us more information):

- 1517/1571 (cant remember specific year) - Talokan is founded by the Yucatan people in the midst of the Spanish Inquisition and Kulkulkan is born

- early June 2018 - Nakia, pregnant with T'Challa's child, leaves Wakanda

- mid may 2024 - T'Challa dies

- mid-late may 2025 - main events of the film


this placement allows t'challa to still be alive during falcon and the winter soldier, give t'challa more time with his family before his passing and give the main events of the film more room to breathe in 2025 as well as being closer to the events of secret invasion, supposedly set in october-november 2025; this placement also allows for all of fontain'e scenes to be in chronological order across projects as well as giving us a hint at a potential quantumania placement with scott being on his book tour in mid-2025; this placement also allows nakia to not have quite been gone for 7 years (june 2018-may 2025 is technically 6 years still) - a little bit of a stretch i admit but better than placing the film solely around the "6 years" line imo.

would love to know what everyone thinks and if anyone else can remember the specific year of namor's birth



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I'm really hoping Marvel pays attention to the Unity Day stuff and that the other evidence in Secret Invasion helps point to November 2025. I'd hate to have another case of MCU holidays not lining up with ours. Wakanda Forever seems to be earlier in the timeline than we thought (although it does kinda make sense when you consider the original July release) which has me wondering if Quantumania could also be in 2025 given Scott's book tour. I think it's been said Cassie is 18, so the earliest that the movie can occur is September 2025. It'll be interesting to see how Disney+ handles these projects.

 

[Starvel]

Spoiler: Secret Invasion & Thunderbolts leak

so DanielRPK has leaked that Thunderbolt Ross will be president by the Thunderbolts. This implies that the film is set after Secret Invasion as the POTUS is going to be playing a role in the series. However Wakanda Forever must take place before Secret Invasion then as President Ritson is mentioned on a newscaster. Secret Invasion's placement my help us in placing Wakanda Forever. Just a thought

 

[Rman]

Spoiler: Secret Invasion & Thunderbolts leak

so DanielRPK has leaked that Thunderbolt Ross will be president by the Thunderbolts. This implies that the film is set after Secret Invasion as the POTUS is going to be playing a role in the series. However Wakanda Forever must take place before Secret Invasion then as President Ritson is mentioned on a newscaster. Secret Invasion's placement my help us in placing Wakanda Forever. Just a thought

Spoiler: Secret Invasion & Thunderbolts leak

Even before the movie released, I figured Wakanda Forever would be set before Secret Invasion and Thunderbolts. If Secret Invasion is in fact November 2025, it'd be nice if we get a reference to how long Ross has been on the run since the end of Wakanda Forever.

 

[Starvel]

Spoiler: Secret Invasion & Thunderbolts leak

Even before the movie released, I figured Wakanda Forever would be set before Secret Invasion and Thunderbolts. If Secret Invasion is in fact November 2025, it'd be nice if we get a reference to how long Ross has been on the run since the end of Wakanda Forever.

Yeah probably won't be much but it might give us a lil' sumthin to aim Wakanda Forever's placement

 

[ThoughtTie24110]

https://deadline.com/2022/11/chris-...imitless-prompts-hiatus-for-actor-1235176091/
No words right now...

 

[Rman]

After re-watching the Quantumania trailer, I noticed one of the donuts at the coffee house is named "Summer of Love", which I assume to be seasonal. While not necessarily confirmation, the movie filmed San Fransico scenes in the Summer of 2021 so it would fit. I think we could potentially be looking at Summer 2025 which if Wakanda Forever were late Spring/early Summer 2025, fits perfectly with Scott still being on his book tour. Secret Invasion is then looking at November 2025, and Guardians 3 is most likely our first project set in 2026. It's going to be nice having the Guardians Holiday Special on the Disney + timeline since it will at least confirm what they see as 2025 & 2026.