Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

[JohnTitor]

You can look inside of the book on amazon - link.

We lost.

 

[FruityWho50]

You can look inside of the book on amazon - link.

We lost.

I'm confused is this about the pre Disney + shows being in it because I didn't have much hope tbh

 

[Raylauncher]

Ironic how in the foreword Feige praises how many people have worked on the MCU and that every person matters that contributed to it, yet decides to entirely ignore the non-Marvel Studios series...

 

[Pro Bot]

Am I the only one who genuinely does not care about them not including these shows that they did not make in the book? You know how absurd it would be to ask them to write about when each episode of a show they had little involvement with takes place?

We didn't lose, we just weren't really promised anything. I can't imagine Marvel Studios employees adding Cloak & Dagger, Inhumans or The Punisher to their book regardless of the fact that they're canon. They're just too rich with lore, too obscure and too isolated behind-the-scenes for it to matter.

 

[selfishmisery]

Yeah we're not getting Punisher's backstory of his family shredded by gunfire or the fact that Daredevil beat the tar out of a r*pist father on his first day as a vigilante in a book for all ages.

Even if they included just the ABC stuff or Hulu, well, then Netflix history missing would raise eyebrows. I saw this coming a mile away. Don't overthink it.

 

[Raylauncher]

A timeline book is a timeline book. Either give us everything or just leave it. It's not for the sake of our own celebration, but for new fans who are genuenly curious. I don't find it absurd at all to ask them to not leave stuff out. I don't feel like we "lost" either that they are not in, as I agree that they are background shows, but ignoring them completely is not the way. Agents of Shield, the first two seasons for example are mildly important anyway. I'd appreciate some homage at least if not complete entries.

 

[selfishmisery]

A timeline book is a timeline book. Either give us everything or just leave it. It's not for the sake of our own celebration, but for new fans who are genuenly curious. I don't find it absurd at all to ask them to not leave stuff out. I don't feel like we "lost" either that they are not in, as I agree that they are background shows, but ignoring them completely is not the way. Agents of Shield, the first two seasons for example are mildly important anyway. I'd appreciate some homage at least if not complete entries.

Just because it's not in the book doesn't mean it's non-canon.
Literally the Netflix stuff or even Cloak & Dagger in some places gets so mature and dark that you CAN'T describe it in simple terms in a book for mass audiences. That's just a fact. Maybe we'll get an adult "expanded" edition, who knows. But these DK books are always sold in kids sections.

 

[Raylauncher]

Just because it's not in the book doesn't mean it's non-canon.
Literally the Netflix stuff or even Cloak & Dagger in some places gets so mature and dark that you CAN'T describe it in simple terms in a book for mass audiences. That's just a fact. Maybe we'll get an adult "expanded" edition, who knows. But these DK books are always sold in kids sections.

I did not say anything about canon status. I don't feel like it makes much of a difference in terms of canon whether they are in or not. Until they outright confirm they are not canon or somehow retcon it so hard they just can't fit anymore I will be on the everything is canon ship.

I agree with the the other half. In that aspect I could see why, though some slight mentions would not hurt a soul, I recon.

 

[selfishmisery]

The Timeline book also says that Eternals takes place in 2024.

So I would probably move that to the waaaay beginning of 2024. @Lebnyx

 

[Dallas Kinard]

The Timeline book also says that Eternals takes place in 2024.

So I would probably move that to the waaaay beginning of 2024. @Lebnyx

Just because it says that, doesn't make it true. If the evidence within the film itself contradicts what the book is saying, then the book is wrong!

 

[selfishmisery]

Just because it says that, doesn't make it true. If the evidence within the film itself contradicts what the book is saying, then the book is wrong!

I'm confused, but I also don't remember what cemented Eternals in 2023?

 

[woodlark_289]

sersi refers to thanos' snap as 5 years ago

also it looks like from that preview that it's implying that iron man 3 occurs in 2014?? and no mention of the original ant-man in 2015 at least from the table of contents

 

[RocketRacoon]

You can look inside of the book on amazon - link.

We lost.

I can only see the Age of Ultron and Hulk pages. There are more to see?

 

[marioxb]

I can only see the Age of Ultron and Hulk pages. There are more to see?

And Iron Man.

 

[RocketRacoon]

sersi refers to thanos' snap as 5 years ago

also it looks like from that preview that it's implying that iron man 3 occurs in 2014?? and no mention of the original ant-man in 2015 at least from the table of contents

Where is this preview? I can't see anything new???

 

[woodlark_289]

on the amazon listing page click on the main preview image where it says "look inside" and you can see the first 30 pages

 

[Pro Bot]

sersi refers to thanos' snap as 5 years ago

also it looks like from that preview that it's implying that iron man 3 occurs in 2014?? and no mention of the original ant-man in 2015 at least from the table of contents

What!? If it's implying that Iron Man 3 is set in 2013-2014, then this book is truly causal Disney+ timeline garbage that should be ignored. I mean, not to give crap to the timeline writers, but Iron Man 3 is very clearly 2012 apart from the prop date. The dialogue confirms it! Even if it's supposed to be considered official, script/dialogue > props > BTS statements, and Kevin Feige literally confirmed that Iron Man 3 was months after The Avengers 10 years ago!

 

[marioxb]

Also looks like Fury's Big Week is 2010, as there is no 2011 year in the index or table of contents.

If we are just going by "Iron Man Armors" listed under the 2014 section, that doesn't necessarily mean they're saying IM3 falls there.

As far as Eternals in 2024, that could work, I think, if it's early 2024. The snap was in May 2018, right? In say, January 2024, it hasn't yet been six years since the snap happened. So her saying 5 years works fine.

 

[woodlark_289]

yes that could be referring to the time tony rebuilt the iron legion following the destruction of the suits at the end of iron man 3 but that just leaves iron man 3 with ant-man as not being mentioned in the contents at all, granted i'm waiting to judge the product when it's released in its final form but i'm not holding my breath, not that i was before this preview was released

 

[MCUfan616]

Because I have too much time on my hands and was curious, I used the index from the Amazon preview to try and map out a timeline for the post-Endgame movies/shows based on the page numbers:

2023: (pg. 210-243)
-WandaVision (238)

2024: (pg. 244-293)
-Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (244-247)
-The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (252-257)
-Spider-Man: Far From Home (260-67)
-Eternals (268-272)
-Spider-Man: No Way Home (274-76)
-Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (282-286)
-Hawkeye (287-293)

2025: (pg. 294-325)
-Moon Knight (296-301)
-Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (303-306)
-She-Hulk: Attorney at Law (307-312)
-Ms. Marvel (313-318)
-Thor: Love and Thunder (319-323)
-Werewolf by Night (324)
-The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special (325)

2024 has Shang-Chi correctly listed first and Eternals in between FFH and NWH. While it's obvious (and I prefer to list it this way tbh) that FFH and NWH should be watched back to back, Eternals could be placed in Fall 2024 -- in between the both of them if FFH begins before those events. Looks like 2025 is identical to the Disney+ timeline (only one I am personally iffy on is the Thor 4 placement).

Edit: also only lists up to The GOTG Holiday Special (for context)

 

[selfishmisery]

Because I have too much time on my hands and was curious, I used the index from the Amazon preview to try and map out a timeline for the post-Endgame movies/shows based on the page numbers:

2023: (pg. 210-243)
-WandaVision (238)

2024: (pg. 244-293)
-Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (244-247)
-The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (252-257)
-Spider-Man: Far From Home (260-67)
-Eternals (268-272)
-Spider-Man: No Way Home (274-76)
-Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (282-286)
-Hawkeye (287-293)

2025: (pg. 294-325)
-Moon Knight (296-301)
-Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (303-306)
-She-Hulk: Attorney at Law (307-312)
-Ms. Marvel (313-318)
-Thor: Love and Thunder (319-323)
-Werewolf by Night (324)
-The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special (325)

2024 has Shang-Chi correctly listed first and Eternals in between FFH and NWH. While it's obvious (and I prefer to list it this way tbh) that FFH and NWH should be watched back to back, Eternals could be placed in Fall 2024 -- in between the both of them if FFH begins before those events. Looks like 2025 is identical to the Disney+ timeline (only one I am personally iffy on is the Thor 4 placement).

Edit: also only lists up to The GOTG Holiday Special (for context)

I mean, 5 and 11 months after Infinity War could work for Eternals?
These are technically programmed individuals so it might be an approximation thing in their minds.

I'll go with it.

 

[RocketRacoon]

on the amazon listing page click on the main preview image where it says "look inside" and you can see the first 30 pages

It's not appearing for me. Would anyone mind posting some screenshots?

 

[woodlark_289]

here's the page i've been referring to, the rest isn't particularly new

 

[Lebnyx]

Because I have too much time on my hands and was curious, I used the index from the Amazon preview to try and map out a timeline for the post-Endgame movies/shows based on the page numbers:

2023: (pg. 210-243)
-WandaVision (238)

2024: (pg. 244-293)
-Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (244-247)
-The Falcon and the Winter Soldier (252-257)
-Spider-Man: Far From Home (260-67)
-Eternals (268-272)
-Spider-Man: No Way Home (274-76)
-Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (282-286)
-Hawkeye (287-293)

2025: (pg. 294-325)
-Moon Knight (296-301)
-Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (303-306)
-She-Hulk: Attorney at Law (307-312)
-Ms. Marvel (313-318)
-Thor: Love and Thunder (319-323)
-Werewolf by Night (324)
-The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special (325)

2024 has Shang-Chi correctly listed first and Eternals in between FFH and NWH. While it's obvious (and I prefer to list it this way tbh) that FFH and NWH should be watched back to back, Eternals could be placed in Fall 2024 -- in between the both of them if FFH begins before those events. Looks like 2025 is identical to the Disney+ timeline (only one I am personally iffy on is the Thor 4 placement).

Edit: also only lists up to The GOTG Holiday Special (for context)

I also picked up on this. It also seems the TVA's present day is 2023 and What If...? is in 2025.

 

[JohnTitor]

I watched this breakdown and the book is basically trash.



It ruins timeline completely. IM2, Thor and TIH in 2010, Iron Man 3 in 2013, Eternals in Autumn 2024. I don't like it at all.

 

[marioxb]

I watched this breakdown and the book is basically trash.



It ruins timeline completely. IM2, Thor and TIH in 2010, Iron Man 3 in 2013, Eternals in Autumn 2024. I don't like it at all.

Eh, I don't know, those could work. 2010 was to be expected already. The only thing that "messes up" is Fury's "last year" line in Avengers, right?

2013 is perfect for Iron Man 3. Christmas 2012 into New Years 2013. That's already what we have here. (Unless they are saying 2013-2014).

And Eternals 2024, that could work as well if "5 years ago" is taken as an approximation. Are we always 100% accurate when we say stuff like this? "Hey didn't we go to Disneyland like 5 years ago?"

 

[RocketRacoon]

here's the page i've been referring to, the rest isn't particularly new

Thanks.

 

[selfishmisery]

What If Season 2 leaked episode titles

Spoiler: SPOILERS

• What if Gamora killed Thanos?
• What if Captain Carter finds Hydra Stomper? (Continued from Season 1)
• What if the Tesseract landed in Haudenosaunee Confederacy before the colonization of America? (Introduction of new hero Kahhori)
• What if Hank Pym & Janet Van Dyne fought the Red Guardian during 1980's?
• What if Yondu delivered Star-Lord to Ego?
• What if Happy Hogan saved Christmas? (Iron Man 3)
• What if Wanda had grown up watching musicals instead of sitcoms?
• What if Odin & Hela had faced Wenwu?
• What if Avengers had fought Surtur?

 

[fuzzyfoot]

2013 is perfect for Iron Man 3. Christmas 2012 into New Years 2013. That's already what we have here. (Unless they are saying 2013-2014).

And Eternals 2024, that could work as well if "5 years ago" is taken as an approximation. Are we always 100% accurate when we say stuff like this? "Hey didn't we go to Disneyland like 5 years ago?"

Based on that breakdown video, they went with the newspaper so they are implying IM3 is December 2013.

To Eternals, yeah this is where I get a little testy with logic. Ajax said 5 years and simply because we approximate things is not a good enough answer for WHY the movie, according to the book (possibly), takes place 6 years after Infinity War. Those page numbers are broken up like that because they most likely are jumping around between movies/shows characters in chronological order within each respective year, and that would place Eternals between FFH and NWH. WHAT? On top of this Civil War is a prime example of the story giving out dates left and right that all line up with different parts of the preceding films. Why would they take such care to make all those statements and then decide...eh Ajax can approximate their timeline?

No the book, I'm sorry is trash. I cancelled my pre-order for it. The so called research they did was likely watching the movie one time, jotting down whatever they saw or heard and then decided that that's where it goes with little regard to actual discussion or connectivity to other movies/shows. I was really hoping for more detail and reverence to the details but I guess that was too much to hope for.

 

[selfishmisery]

I should remind you all that Iron Man 3 began and book ended with a Tony Stark narration at least a month after most of the events in the film.

So I take that as his therapy session with Bruce being very early 2013; and the rest of it obviously being December 2012 in memory.