Alien vs. Predator - Timeline

Paul W. S. Anderson: "Now, on Kurt's shoulder there is the Tanhauser Gate. That's one of the battles that he fought in, which people might recognise from Blade Runner as well, Rutger Hauer talks about C-beams glittering in the darkness off the Tanhauser Gate, and David Peoples also did the adaptation of Blade Runner. There's a lot of references to Blade Runner in this film. I always saw the two movies, Soldier and Blade Runner, although they're very, very different, as existing in the same universe, so that if Kurt ever went to Earth, he'd encounter Harrison Ford down there."
Paul W. S. Anderson: "So, yeah. Blade Runner was a constant influence to us during the making of this film. And also thematically, Blade Runner is very much about the machine that becomes as human as it possibly can be, Rutger Hauer's character, whereas this movie is about the man who becomes as machine-like as the military can make him. So in a way, both Kurt and Rutger are looking for their humanity."

-Soldier, director's commentary
 
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I'm including the Weyland Timeline and, I suppose, the Peter Weyland Files (Prometheus extra that references the distress signal on LV-426 and Blade Runner events). I love how we go from "global warming reversed" to The Predator referring to present global warming and then Blade Runner existing in a world that has been polluted by climate change, lol.
 
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Third Terran War

The Third Terran War was a conflict on Earth that caused most of the planet's animals to die and much of its sea life to become irradiated.[1] Little is mentioned of the war, though it is presumably based on World War Terminus from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?.
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Imagine that Jonesy was a replicant cat, hehe.
 
Didn't the government made a law for replicants to be distinguished from humans or something? Can't be that the white blood in androids in the Alien films is a product of that and the androids are replicants?
 
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Didn't the government made a law for replicants to be distinguished from humans or something? Can't be that the white blood in androids in the Alien films is a product of that and the androids are replicants?
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The first android was invented in 2025 (David 1, as seen in the Covenant flashback). Plus, remember Peter Weyland's memo about replicants? He refers to replicants as being as whole different species to androids essentially.
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Here's what Earth looks like in Alien: Earth from old concept art by the way. The Weyland-Yutani logo, talk of it being about the origin of "Weyland-Yutani", and the fact there's someone working for Weyland-Yutani in the cast suggests that it should be between Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, really set in 2099 based on the Weyland-Yutani Report. I suppose that some information could have gotten mixed up in the Big Deletion though. Perhaps they merged a year following the departure of the Prometheus (so literally 30 years before Alien, 2092)?
 
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Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 30 (1:22:34 - 1:26:38)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 31 (1:26:39 - 1:38:49)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 32 (1:28:50 - 1:28:49)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 33 (1:30:49 - 1:32:39)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 34 (1:32:40 - 1:34:23)
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Found a small mistake here
 
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Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 22 (1:07:41 - 1:07:40)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 23 (1:19:37 - 1:19:36)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 24 (1:22:07 - 1:22:06)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 25 (1:28:21 - 1:28:20)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 26 (1:31:46 - 1:31:45)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 27 (1:34:16 - 1:38:57)
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Where's the rest of the timestamps?
 
Are the Alien 40th anniversary short films canon? I know they are fan made, but in association with Fox, so they are semi-official
 
I watched the entire director's commentary of Outland.

"In the future, the whole concept of non-sleek looking, non-romantic looking kind of set in the future, is totally due to Ridley Scott making Alien and Blade Runner. That's the genesis of giving some people like me the courage to say 'oh I think I know what it should look like', and then work within it." - Peter Hyams

That's the only reference to Alien. Again, seems to me more like an aesthetic design choice more than anything. Underwater is similar in this regard, but that actually has in-universe connections so I feel that's understandable (Weyland Corp categorically exists because we can see it in the movie).

This is obviously not a completely reliable source, but here's someone's claim about it when they asked the costume designer for Alien/Outland.
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This just occured to me: ALIEN & Outland...did they live in the same world?

No. When Outland was released the general sense was that its visual design was just heavily influenced by Alien which came out a couple of years earlier. It's not surprising because Alien was such a strong visual statement. It's like how Blade Runner influenced almost every depiction of...
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I don't know if I already wrote this before but I once interviewed Tiny Nichols over the phone (actually twice) and since I remembered this "question" from either this forum or the IMDb boards, I asked Nichols the very same question.
The answer is that there was not a connection, not a planned one anyway, it was just the way they (costumiers, set designer etc) imagined the future in those years, add the fact that a few of the same people worked on both films and you get fuel for fan-imagination where the two movies MIGHT co-exist in the same universe. Weylan might be a competitor of Con-Am.
But it wasn't in the idea of the movie-makers.
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Some people claim that they read something about them being unoffically linked in Starlog Magazine, but Peter Hyams actually distanced himself from the Alien influence in the actual magazine.

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Alien Seed: Outland

Any biography of Alien that fails to mention its antecedents It! The Terror Beyond Space and Forbidden Planet would fail as a genealogy. Likewise, Alien has its place in film’s tree of life, …
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However, though it's easy to get the impression that Hyams saw Alien and deliberately replicated it, Hyams himself denied that he was influenced by Ridley Scott's film. "No," he told Starlog magazine in 1981, "I was not influenced by Alien at all. This is a very dissimilar movie. Alien did not really focus on the characters. This movie is about a bunch of people that I think you get to see sides of that you don't ordinarily get to see in films."
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When we're ignoring basically the entire Fox consultant's canon tiers because it doesn't make any sense (and has shifted because even he can't decide what's canon), I think we can ignore the shoehorn canon thing. That was made with the idea that the inclusions could fit in the same universe, but will never be officially the same. It's more of an opinion. There's no way Fox considered Outland more canon than Predator. Heck, there's no way they considered Blade Runner/Soldier more canon than Predator.

I don't feel comfortable having Outland on this timeline for those reasons, but I'll keep it copied just in case Megatron wants to use it for the expanded timeline.

Also, I've dated Predator versus Wolverine now. I worked it out based on the sliding timeline and the actual canon dates for Wolverine's past. Team X operated in 1961-1968, Wolverine's bone adamantium coating always happens in 1974, Wolverine trained with Muramasa decades ago, so 1980s seems reasonable, and the mid-point of Wolverine wearing brown suit worked out as 2014 using the sliding timeline.
 
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I watched the entire director's commentary of Outland.

"In the future, the whole concept of non-sleek looking, non-romantic looking kind of set in the future, is totally due to Ridley Scott making Alien and Blade Runner. That's the genesis of giving some people like me the courage to say 'oh I think I know what it should look like', and then work within it." - Peter Hyams

That's the only reference to Alien. Again, seems to me more like an aesthetic design choice more than anything. Underwater is similar in this regard, but that actually has in-universe connections so I feel that's understandable (Weyland Corp categorically exists because we can see it in the movie).

This is obviously not a completely reliable source, but here's someone's claim about it when they asked the costume designer for Alien/Outland.
www.therpf.com

This just occured to me: ALIEN & Outland...did they live in the same world?

No. When Outland was released the general sense was that its visual design was just heavily influenced by Alien which came out a couple of years earlier. It's not surprising because Alien was such a strong visual statement. It's like how Blade Runner influenced almost every depiction of...
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Some people claim that they read something about them being unoffically linked in Starlog Magazine, but Peter Hyams actually distanced himself from the Alien influence in the actual magazine.

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Alien Seed: Outland

Any biography of Alien that fails to mention its antecedents It! The Terror Beyond Space and Forbidden Planet would fail as a genealogy. Likewise, Alien has its place in film’s tree of life, …
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When we're ignoring basically the entire Fox consultant's canon tiers because it doesn't make any sense (and has shifted because even he can't decide what's canon), I think we can ignore the shoehorn canon thing. That was made with the idea that the inclusions could fit in the same universe, but will never be officially the same. It's more of an opinion. There's no way Fox considered Outland more canon than Predator. Heck, there's no way they considered Blade Runner/Soldier more canon than Predator.

I don't feel comfortable having Outland on this timeline for those reasons, but I'll keep it copied just in case Megatron wants to use it for the expanded timeline.

Also, I've dated Predator versus Wolverine now. I worked it out based on the sliding timeline and the actual canon dates for Wolverine's past. Team X operated in 1961-1968, Wolverine's bone adamantium coating always happens in 1974, Wolverine trained with Muramasa decades ago, so 1980s seems reasonable, and the mid-point of Wolverine wearing brown suit worked out as 2014 using the sliding timeline.
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thank you! For keeping Outland for helping me.

Could u copy it's timeline in the comments, please?
 
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First Look At Alien: Earth Set In Minister Set Visit - Alien vs. Predator Galaxy

On the last day of shooting for Alien: Earth, FX and Noah Hawley's upcoming Alien series, the Thai Minister of Tourism and Sports Sermsak Pongpanich visited the set of the series (as reported by the Bangkok Post) where he posed for a picture on a very Nostromo-looking set constructed at Living...
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What does an apartment look like on 'Alien'? That basic stuff of the palette of 'Alien,' the design of that ship, that dripping is so specific. I think that the sweaty aesthetic of 'Alien' plays very well into climate change and the hot, wet future that we're all moving toward. Technology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store."
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Yes to more retro-futurism!
 
"How long until climate change renders this planet inhabitable. Two generations? One?" (The Predator)

"I believe in life. In fact, I have run more life from our Earth than ever before. But it is dying. You... are dying." (2036: Nexus Dawn)

"What does an apartment look like on 'Alien'? That basic stuff of the palette of 'Alien,' the design of that ship, that dripping is so specific. I think that the sweaty aesthetic of 'Alien' plays very well into climate change and the hot, wet future that we're all moving toward. Technology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store." (Noah Hadley regarding Alien: Earth)

Consistency, hey? A generation is about 20-30 years, so 2018 + 30 = 2048 + 30 = 2078. The Predator predicted the future.
 
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