About piracy

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I am the only one that doesn't like piracy?

I say because in the last few months I have notice people casually discussing and normalizing it, and going back to previous messages I noticed the it has always being there, just I didn't get it.

And with all recent discussion about Neil Gaiman, yes I think art = artist. I just didn't like Neil Gaiman before and don't like him know. As for the pedo that directer Jeepers Creepers, I am just not going to watch the movie, pirated or not, if I watch the movie and keep it in my computer it is like saying it is a good movie by a good director and the piratery is just an excuse to steal it and feel good about it.

I also don't understand why everyone losed their head when someone that was new here just copyed ProBot's The Boys Timeline to make a modification, clearly in an innocent way and everyone acted as if a war crime was commited or something, even if no one here actually "wins" anything for the timelines, when most of the time with piracy someone is actually losing.

Also I am getting the impression that by posting obscure things in a timeline I am encouraging people to pirate them, so no going to lie, in the last 6 months or so I have lost my interest in doing this timelines.
 
I am the only one that doesn't like piracy?

I say because in the last few months I have notice people casually discussing and normalizing it, and going back to previous messages I noticed the it has always being there, just I didn't get it.

And with all recent discussion about Neil Gaiman, yes I think art = artist. I just didn't like Neil Gaiman before and don't like him know. As for the pedo that directer Jeepers Creepers, I am just not going to watch the movie, pirated or not, if I watch the movie and keep it in my computer it is like saying it is a good movie by a good director and the piratery is just an excuse to steal it and feel good about it.

I also don't understand why everyone losed their head when someone that was new here just copyed ProBot's The Boys Timeline to make a modification, clearly in an innocent way and everyone acted as if a war crime was commited or something, even if no one here actually "wins" anything for the timelines, when most of the time with piracy someone is actually losing.

Also I am getting the impression that by posting obscure things in a timeline I am encouraging people to pirate them, so no going to lie, in the last 6 months or so I have lost my interest in doing this timelines.
i agree with everything exept art = artist. For me Art can be appreciated without the need to know the artist.

Like the Buffyverse is one of the best TV Series that I ever watched. Yes Whedon is an asshole and all, I agree. But brought a new fesh air of innovations in narratives techniques that I can't ignore just cos he's an asshole and threat Carpenter to abort her child (yes ofc I feel sorry for her) But someone's art doesn't make a person, only bad art does that, which an example is the acolytes, if you put lots of yourself in a art you come out with something bad.
 
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I personally am not a big fan of piracy, but if I can't watch something anywhere else I'd probably pirate it. I don't usually pirate something if I think it's worth paying for
 
Honestly, I think it depends on a "case-by-case" situation. Like, would you want to give money to buy a ticket to see a movie created by a convicted pedophile, or would you rather pirate it, knowing you'd morally be in the right by not giving a single quid towards the pedo? (And yes, I ended up doing it, but only the one time. I have zero interest in rewatching the film, unless the fucker drops dead.)

Additionally, many media might be out of print or unavailable physically or on streaming platforms. Or in some cases, they might not have an official release in your native country, and are only available in their home country (IE, Kamen Rider or most anime from Japan), with the only way to watch being... well, fan-subs.
 
And full disclosure, I feel that separating the Art from the Artist isn't doable in times when it's clear the Artist is a really shitty person (IE: Ezra Miller for The Flash, J.K. Rowling for Harry Potter, Victor Salva for Jeepers Creepers etc...).
 
I am the only one that doesn't like piracy?
I think that piracy is good and bad. It's bad because it stops people from supporting artists and affects businesses. It's good because it stops things from becoming lost media once they are out-of-print or not steaming anywhere.

I also think piracy is a way to fight the anti-consumer business market of streaming services, where all these movies and shows are getting spread out into more and more places and it can cost hundreds of [insert currency] just to watch a whole franchise sometimes. It's only getting more expensive as it gets increasingly tougher to live.

Another thing to note is that, while piracy is technically bad, the benefits that a corporation get from a single individual investing in their products is extremely minimal. We could say that the negatives of pirating are, too, extremely minimal. This changes depending on the artist or creative and how dependent they are on the success.

I think it's much worse to take someone's work and pass it off as your own rather than just view the work of hundreds without paying for it. I see piracy as a neutral act because nothing changes from before you did it or afterwards. Piracy is stealing if what you stole was actually cloned and no one lost anything. It's like Robin Hood stealing from the rich, except the rich aren't made any poorer. I'm not advocating for piracy here by the way. You should support the films you like. It's just that it can get really complicated.

Buying used copies of things technically doesn't support the creators, but we don't see that as bad. Should I stop ordering movies from CEX even though it's legal? What about eBay or Amazon? If it's not morally wrong to buy media without paying the artist, then how morally wrong is it to view media without paying at all?

I say because in the last few months I have notice people casually discussing and normalizing it, and going back to previous messages I noticed the it has always being there, just I didn't get it.

And with all recent discussion about Neil Gaiman, yes I think art = artist. I just didn't like Neil Gaiman before and don't like him know. As for the pedo that directer Jeepers Creepers, I am just not going to watch the movie, pirated or not, if I watch the movie and keep it in my computer it is like saying it is a good movie by a good director and the piratery is just an excuse to steal it and feel good about it.
I don't see how. I think that I'd feel morally better about pirating, say, the upcoming Harry Potter series rather than paying for it due to the fact that JK Rowling wants to use the funds from it to fuel her anti-trans agenda. You can't argue that it's more morally acceptable to support the series when it leads to more harm than simply pirating it.

I also don't understand why everyone losed their head when someone that was new here just copyed ProBot's The Boys Timeline to make a modification, clearly in an innocent way and everyone acted as if a war crime was commited or something, even if no one here actually "wins" anything for the timelines, when most of the time with piracy someone is actually losing

Also I am getting the impression that by posting obscure things in a timeline I am encouraging people to pirate them, so no going to lie, in the last 6 months or so I have lost my interest in doing this timelines.
There wasn't anything technically terrible about that or anything, it just just that their AVP timeline was essentially redundant and they didn't add anything new.

i agree with everything exept art = artist. For me Art can be appreciated without the need to know the artist.

Like the Buffyverse is one of the best TV Series that I ever watched. Yes Whedon is an asshole and all, I agree. But brought a new fesh air of innovations in narratives techniques that I can't ignore just cos he's an asshole and threat Carpenter to abort her child (yes ofc I feel sorry for her) But someone's art doesn't make a person, only bad art does that, which an example is the acolytes, if you put lots of yourself in a art you come out with something bad.
Indeed. A lot of this art is a collaborative effort too. Not all of it is by a single individual.

I personally am not a big fan of piracy, but if I can't watch something anywhere else I'd probably pirate it. I don't usually pirate something if I think it's worth paying for
Indeed. Isn't Runaways not streaming anywhere anymore?

Honestly, I think it depends on a "case-by-case" situation. Like, would you want to give money to buy a ticket to see a movie created by a convicted pedophile, or would you rather pirate it, knowing you'd morally be in the right by not giving a single quid towards the pedo? (And yes, I ended up doing it, but only the one time. I have zero interest in rewatching the film, unless the fucker drops dead.)

Additionally, many media might be out of print or unavailable physically or on streaming platforms. Or in some cases, they might not have an official release in your native country, and are only available in their home country (IE, Kamen Rider or most anime from Japan), with the only way to watch being... well, fan-subs.
You pretty much covered it here. If it is within your means, you are a fan of the work and want to support it, pay for it. If you can't watch it or you refuse to support an individual for whatever reason, then don't.
 
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You know what? I am going to take a 6 month break from this forum
I try to avoid conflict on here, but really, why? Because of other people's economic and ethical choices that have nothing to do with you?

Frankly I think this is a pretty privileged yank/western stance to have

Have you tried buying current comics outside of the US? Even just south of the US border?

Have you tried streaming something off a service that does not exist outside of the US?

Even in the US there are millions around the poverty line that only ever find themselves able to enjoy content because of services like the internet archive and torrenting

Are those with less money any less deserving of escapism than those with plenty?

And what, you're going to stop engaging with us because we don't all have your economic position or have differing ethical stances concerning witholding a few quid from multi billion dollar companies because, as others have said here, the talent involved in the production of a movie have already recieved their wages before it even goes to print, dvd or streaming?

Sorry, but that's just silly and awfully judgemental of other people's ethics and/or economic situation
 
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