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I am the only one that doesn't like piracy?

I say because in the last few months I have notice people casually discussing and normalizing it, and going back to previous messages I noticed the it has always being there, just I didn't get it.

And with all recent discussion about Neil Gaiman, yes I think art = artist. I just didn't like Neil Gaiman before and don't like him know. As for the pedo that directer Jeepers Creepers, I am just not going to watch the movie, pirated or not, if I watch the movie and keep it in my computer it is like saying it is a good movie by a good director and the piratery is just an excuse to steal it and feel good about it.

I also don't understand why everyone losed their head when someone that was new here just copyed ProBot's The Boys Timeline to make a modification, clearly in an innocent way and everyone acted as if a war crime was commited or something, even if no one here actually "wins" anything for the timelines, when most of the time with piracy someone is actually losing.

Also I am getting the impression that by posting obscure things in a timeline I am encouraging people to pirate them, so no going to lie, in the last 6 months or so I have lost my interest in doing this timelines.
 
I am the only one that doesn't like piracy?

I say because in the last few months I have notice people casually discussing and normalizing it, and going back to previous messages I noticed the it has always being there, just I didn't get it.

And with all recent discussion about Neil Gaiman, yes I think art = artist. I just didn't like Neil Gaiman before and don't like him know. As for the pedo that directer Jeepers Creepers, I am just not going to watch the movie, pirated or not, if I watch the movie and keep it in my computer it is like saying it is a good movie by a good director and the piratery is just an excuse to steal it and feel good about it.

I also don't understand why everyone losed their head when someone that was new here just copyed ProBot's The Boys Timeline to make a modification, clearly in an innocent way and everyone acted as if a war crime was commited or something, even if no one here actually "wins" anything for the timelines, when most of the time with piracy someone is actually losing.

Also I am getting the impression that by posting obscure things in a timeline I am encouraging people to pirate them, so no going to lie, in the last 6 months or so I have lost my interest in doing this timelines.
i agree with everything exept art = artist. For me Art can be appreciated without the need to know the artist.

Like the Buffyverse is one of the best TV Series that I ever watched. Yes Whedon is an asshole and all, I agree. But brought a new fesh air of innovations in narratives techniques that I can't ignore just cos he's an asshole and threat Carpenter to abort her child (yes ofc I feel sorry for her) But someone's art doesn't make a person, only bad art does that, which an example is the acolytes, if you put lots of yourself in a art you come out with something bad.
 
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I personally am not a big fan of piracy, but if I can't watch something anywhere else I'd probably pirate it. I don't usually pirate something if I think it's worth paying for
 
Honestly, I think it depends on a "case-by-case" situation. Like, would you want to give money to buy a ticket to see a movie created by a convicted pedophile, or would you rather pirate it, knowing you'd morally be in the right by not giving a single quid towards the pedo? (And yes, I ended up doing it, but only the one time. I have zero interest in rewatching the film, unless the fucker drops dead.)

Additionally, many media might be out of print or unavailable physically or on streaming platforms. Or in some cases, they might not have an official release in your native country, and are only available in their home country (IE, Kamen Rider or most anime from Japan), with the only way to watch being... well, fan-subs.
 
I am the only one that doesn't like piracy?
I think that piracy is good and bad. It's bad because it stops people from supporting artists and affects businesses. It's good because it stops things from becoming lost media once they are out-of-print or not steaming anywhere.

I also think piracy is a way to fight the anti-consumer business market of streaming services, where all these movies and shows are getting spread out into more and more places and it can cost hundreds of [insert currency] just to watch a whole franchise sometimes. It's only getting more expensive as it gets increasingly tougher to live.

Another thing to note is that, while piracy is technically bad, the benefits that a corporation get from a single individual investing in their products is extremely minimal. We could say that the negatives of pirating are, too, extremely minimal. This changes depending on the artist or creative and how dependent they are on the success.

I think it's much worse to take someone's work and pass it off as your own rather than just view the work of hundreds without paying for it. I see piracy as a neutral act because nothing changes from before you did it or afterwards. Piracy is stealing if what you stole was actually cloned and no one lost anything. It's like Robin Hood stealing from the rich, except the rich aren't made any poorer. I'm not advocating for piracy here by the way. You should support the films you like. It's just that it can get really complicated.

Buying used copies of things technically doesn't support the creators, but we don't see that as bad. Should I stop ordering movies from CEX even though it's legal? What about eBay or Amazon? If it's not morally wrong to buy media without paying the artist, then how morally wrong is it to view media without paying at all?

I say because in the last few months I have notice people casually discussing and normalizing it, and going back to previous messages I noticed the it has always being there, just I didn't get it.

And with all recent discussion about Neil Gaiman, yes I think art = artist. I just didn't like Neil Gaiman before and don't like him know. As for the pedo that directer Jeepers Creepers, I am just not going to watch the movie, pirated or not, if I watch the movie and keep it in my computer it is like saying it is a good movie by a good director and the piratery is just an excuse to steal it and feel good about it.
I don't see how. I think that I'd feel morally better about pirating, say, the upcoming Harry Potter series rather than paying for it due to the fact that JK Rowling wants to use the funds from it to fuel her anti-trans agenda. You can't argue that it's more morally acceptable to support the series when it leads to more harm than simply pirating it.

I also don't understand why everyone losed their head when someone that was new here just copyed ProBot's The Boys Timeline to make a modification, clearly in an innocent way and everyone acted as if a war crime was commited or something, even if no one here actually "wins" anything for the timelines, when most of the time with piracy someone is actually losing

Also I am getting the impression that by posting obscure things in a timeline I am encouraging people to pirate them, so no going to lie, in the last 6 months or so I have lost my interest in doing this timelines.
There wasn't anything technically terrible about that or anything, it just just that their AVP timeline was essentially redundant and they didn't add anything new.

i agree with everything exept art = artist. For me Art can be appreciated without the need to know the artist.

Like the Buffyverse is one of the best TV Series that I ever watched. Yes Whedon is an asshole and all, I agree. But brought a new fesh air of innovations in narratives techniques that I can't ignore just cos he's an asshole and threat Carpenter to abort her child (yes ofc I feel sorry for her) But someone's art doesn't make a person, only bad art does that, which an example is the acolytes, if you put lots of yourself in a art you come out with something bad.
Indeed. A lot of this art is a collaborative effort too. Not all of it is by a single individual.

I personally am not a big fan of piracy, but if I can't watch something anywhere else I'd probably pirate it. I don't usually pirate something if I think it's worth paying for
Indeed. Isn't Runaways not streaming anywhere anymore?

Honestly, I think it depends on a "case-by-case" situation. Like, would you want to give money to buy a ticket to see a movie created by a convicted pedophile, or would you rather pirate it, knowing you'd morally be in the right by not giving a single quid towards the pedo? (And yes, I ended up doing it, but only the one time. I have zero interest in rewatching the film, unless the fucker drops dead.)

Additionally, many media might be out of print or unavailable physically or on streaming platforms. Or in some cases, they might not have an official release in your native country, and are only available in their home country (IE, Kamen Rider or most anime from Japan), with the only way to watch being... well, fan-subs.
You pretty much covered it here. If it is within your means, you are a fan of the work and want to support it, pay for it. If you can't watch it or you refuse to support an individual for whatever reason, then don't.
 
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You know what? I am going to take a 6 month break from this forum
I try to avoid conflict on here, but really, why? Because of other people's economic and ethical choices that have nothing to do with you?

Frankly I think this is a pretty privileged yank/western stance to have

Have you tried buying current comics outside of the US? Even just south of the US border?

Have you tried streaming something off a service that does not exist outside of the US?

Even in the US there are millions around the poverty line that only ever find themselves able to enjoy content because of services like the internet archive and torrenting

Are those with less money any less deserving of escapism than those with plenty?

And what, you're going to stop engaging with us because we don't all have your economic position or have differing ethical stances concerning witholding a few quid from multi billion dollar companies because, as others have said here, the talent involved in the production of a movie have already recieved their wages before it even goes to print, dvd or streaming?

Sorry, but that's just silly and awfully judgemental of other people's ethics and/or economic situation
 
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I searched this website by mistake because of the habit and found the notifications. I am going to answer and then I am really going to leave until December 18.
I also think piracy is a way to fight the anti-consumer business market of streaming services, where all these movies and shows are getting spread out into more and more places and it can cost hundreds of [insert currency] just to watch a whole franchise sometimes. It's only getting more expensive as it gets increasingly tougher to live.
Then don't watch the franchise. You really think they are going to change anything by doing that? Also you talk as if the companies were one at the same and the different movies were not in different places because of different owners.

I think it's much worse to take someone's work and pass it off as your own rather than just view the work of hundreds without paying for it.
Emm... No?

Piracy is stealing if what you stole was actually cloned and no one lost anything.
I get that you are missing a not as in "piracy is not stealing". But, no, taking things that aren't yours is stealing, even if the other person doesn't lose money or the thing.

Buying used copies of things technically doesn't support the creators, but we don't see that as bad. Should I stop ordering movies from CEX even though it's legal? What about eBay or Amazon? If it's not morally wrong to buy media without paying the artist, then how morally wrong is it to view media without paying at all?
No, because the media has already being created. Just to be clear, I don't care if it is legal or not, if piracy is legal on some country I still think it is not OK.

I don't see how. I think that I'd feel morally better about pirating, say, the upcoming Harry Potter series rather than paying for it due to the fact that JK Rowling wants to use the funds from it to fuel her anti-trans agenda. You can't argue that it's more morally acceptable to support the series when it leads to more harm than simply pirating it.
Or, you know, you could not watch the show, since you don't have any vital necessity to watch it?

1. All of the moolah earned from dvd sales and streaming subscriptions goes directly so said businesses and next to none goes to the artists
That is the typical anti-capitalist lie to feel good about pirating. Every day more and more artist earn through a percentage of the sales.

2. Isn't affecting businesses what most anti-capitalists (including me) want nowadays?
Speak for yourself, if you are an anti-capitalist

Ah, so the one thing I said was good wasn't even true, XD.
It was true, you already think the opposite because some random in the internet told you otherwise?


I try to avoid conflict on here, but really, why? Because of other people's economic and ethical choices that have nothing to do with you?

Frankly I think this is a pretty privileged yank/western stance to have
I don't even live in the USA.

Have you tried buying current comics outside of the US? Even just south of the US border?
Yes I have tried. Have you ever thought that don't distribute so much in the first place because nobody does buy them outside of the USA?

Have you tried streaming something off a service that does not exist outside of the US?

Even in the US there are millions around the poverty line that only ever find themselves able to enjoy content because of services like the internet archive and torrenting

Are those with less money any less deserving of escapism than those with plenty?
I DON'T have "plenty of money"

And what, you're going to stop engaging with us because we don't all have your economic position or have differing ethical stances concerning witholding a few quid from multi billion dollar companies because, as others have said here, the talent involved in the production of a movie have already recieved their wages before it even goes to print, dvd or streaming?

Sorry, but that's just silly and awfully judgemental of other people's ethics and/or economic situation
Also with this hole post. Really? Are you with the stupid "privileged" discourse?

I am going away because this only reminds me of the whole internet hating people buying things and attacking them on twitter, reddit, etc calling them privileged and all of that.
 
Then don't watch the franchise. You really think they are going to change anything by doing that?
What's your argument? That people witholding their money has a massive impact on mainstream entertainment content or that it has no impact at all? Pick a lane.
Emm... No?
Taking the work of one artist and claiming it as your own in order to make money of their work is pretty much worse than not paying a multi billion dollar company to consume the work of an artist that's already been paid
Just to be clear, I don't care if it is legal or not, if piracy is legal on some country I still think it is not OK.
Except your entire argument about theft is fundamentally founded in law, and you clearly do care
Or, you know, you could not watch the show, since you don't have any vital necessity to watch it?
Or we could just consume content we'd otherwise enjoy if we had the knowledge that we were not financially benefiting someone who acted against deeply held principles that may or may not concern people close to us deeply
That is the typical anti-capitalist lie to feel good about pirating.

Speak for yourself, if you are an anti-capitalist

It was true, you already think the opposite because some random in the internet told you otherwise?
This is the root of it. This whole thing is just you having a wee rant about the fact you can't handle that we may or may not have different ethical practices to you. Frankly, what does how some of us may consume content have to do with this site? Some of us may reference or allude to such things out of relevance to how their may be variance in timestamps or in casual discussions about whether or not some of us are interested in controversial upcoming projects.

Only you seem to have been bothered by these entirely limited references to piracy that you felt like you had to make a thing about it and announce a hiatus.

I know I've only made a few contributions here compared to the rest of you, but I make these timelines for myself and I share them on the off chance others may similarly enjoy them. The last thing I do is let other people's economic politics and artistic ethics factor into it at all.
I don't even live in the USA.
I did specifically reference the west and those with better economic means than others for a reason.
Yes I have tried. Have you ever thought that don't distribute so much in the first place because nobody does buy them outside of the USA?
And you of course cannot possibly fathom a reason why it may be more expensive in other countries than it is for you in Spain, or how others in Spain may not be as economically positioned as you or simply with a differing stance of ethics in consuming media than you.
I DON'T have "plenty of money"
But perhaps more than others no? In a country with a lower import tax with the US or entirely different economic circumstances than you?
Also with this hole post. Really? Are you with the stupid "privileged" discourse?
If you wanna start a discussion about ethics don't bemoan us when you're told that you may have better circumstances than others and not to judge.
I am going away because this only reminds me of the whole internet hating people buying things and attacking them on twitter, reddit, etc calling them privileged and all of that.
You literally made a snide post because some of use probably referenced piracy once or twice. Stop projecting.

See you at Christmas.
 
Adding to ScottishRyzo's argument from Turkey.
Publishers here translate only a couple of volumes and then let go, even that takes lots of time (we just got Doomsday Clock #7-12 last year, and still no TPB!). Pretty sure it's clear but unless it's not for anyone, prices of the ones that are not translated are astronomical. Just one example, Hickman's New Avengers vol. 3 (here only first two volumes are translated, which I own). But when I want to read the third volume? This:1750273958638.png
Basically a weekly salary.
Again, this is just one example, and not even the worst one, it strangely has free shipping. Just the first one I could recall as I recently searched about it. So many other books there were I came across when shipping was like 3x more (in the best case) than the actual thing.
 
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