Alien vs. Predator - Timeline

[Pro Bot]

Also, no need to apologise for asking a question. You weren't being rude or anything.

 

[woodlark_289]

It has no connection to the Yautja. I think there's a proven false narrative that David 8 created the Xenomorphs too, but we know that's not the case.

right, we only technically see a "protomorph" in covenant that david created; we know the xenomorph must predate this in some form because of the mural on the wall in prometheus

 

[Pro Bot]

This, too.

 

[stphylcccs]

Thanks for clearing that up for me, I don't know where I heard that from

 

[Pro Bot]

Probably the millions of AVP non-canoners online.

 

[stphylcccs]

For whatever reason, I had it in my head that the Predator timeline was all the predator movies, the AVP movies, and the Alien movies (minus Prometheus and its sequel), and that the Alien timeline was just the Alien movies

 

[Pro Bot]

For whatever reason, I had it in my head that the Predator timeline was all the predator movies, the AVP movies, and the Alien movies (minus Prometheus and its sequel), and that the Alien timeline was just the Alien movies

Yeah, that'd be because of presumed contradictions between the Weyland Corp origins and the Xenomorph species (both of which don't really exist), but let's be real, there's no way Alien: Romulus, which is connected to those prequels, is a separate universe to Predator: Badlands, which is connected to Alien. They've even said the next AVP film could include characters from both Alien and Predator films akin to a proper cinematic universe.

I mean, now people are saying that Alien: Earth contradicts the last three Alien films because it doesn't subscribe to the Xenomorphs being a creation of David nor follows the technology of the prequels, neither of which contradict anything, so it's just something you gotta live with. Either way, all 15 films are definitely the same universe.

 

[woodlark_289]

Yeah, that'd be because of presumed contradictions between the Weyland Corp origins and the Xenomorph species (both of which don't really exist), but let's be real, there's no way Alien: Romulus, which is connected to those prequels, is a separate universe to Predator: Badlands, which is connected to Alien. They've even said the next AVP film could include characters from both Alien and Predator films akin to a proper cinematic universe.

I mean, now people are saying that Alien: Earth contradicts the last three Alien films because it doesn't subscribe to the Xenomorphs being a creation of David nor follows the technology of the prequels, neither of which contradict anything, so it's just something you gotta live with. Either way, all 15 films are definitely the same universe.

not to mention the scrapped ending of the predator 2018 which would have had ripley from the future in the pod

 

[Pro Bot]

not to mention the scrapped ending of the predator 2018 which would have had ripley from the future in the pod

Hm, that would have been weird. I'd probably treat it as an alternate Ripley (perhaps from the alt. Aliens sequel) that creates the Alien³/Resurrection timeline through her presence in the past. That would have hurt the canon a bit, ironically.

 

[Pro Bot]

Another reason for this, an older Harrigan appears in a Predator short story. You'd have to account for his age too. I don't think there's any contradictions to them both being taken shortly after Predator 2 between chapters of Stalking Shadows. They don't have to reference everything that happens to them.

It just means that they escaped back to Earth around 1998-2000 off-screen (until another movie comes out).

Oh, another aspect that doesn't really mean much, but the first four chronological films (Prey, Predator, Predator 2, Predator: Killer of Killers) are made into a connected storyline and all before the first AVP movie.

Kinda funny that the chronological order of the Predator films is:
1719 - Predator 5
1987 - Predator 1
1997 - Predator 2
1998 - Predator 6
2018 - Predator 4
2024 - Predator 3
21?? - Predator 7

 

[Pro Bot]

Another aspect of them being connected is the fact that almost every Predator film is connected to Alien.

Predator
Predator 2 (Xenomorph body part)
Predators (Xenomorph body part)
The Predator (Xenomorph body part)
Prey
Predator: Killer of Killers (Xenomorph body part)
Predator: Badlands (Weyland-Yutani)

 

[Megatron]

Probably the millions of AVP non-canoners online.

I feel so much like you with this quote, I fight each day against the Arkhamverse and Buffyverse non-canoners...

To let you know how worse it is, the Buffyverse fans says that ignoring the comics makes them non-canon (?).

 

[Pro Bot]

Arkhamverse non-canoners literally try and argue that Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League isn't canon because they don't like it. I know it's a bad game, but there's literally no reason to be upset at it anymore. The story worked itself out and it's fine, everyone is fine. Even Robin is probably secretly fine. Lex Luthor is dead, sure, but who cares about Arkhamverse Lex Luthor anyway? He's only appeared in a voice message prior to this game.

 

[stphylcccs]

I feel probably the worst franchise for it is Star Wars. Yeah, the sequels were terrible, but they're still canon

 

[Pro Bot]

Quality never dictates canon at the end of the day.

 

[Pro Bot]

You see someone asking if Terminator 3 is canon online to a Terminator community, and they'll all say no despite the fact that all films were confirmed canon to Terminator Zero. It just happens.

 

[stphylcccs]

You see someone asking if Terminator 3 is canon online to a Terminator community, and they'll all say no despite the fact that all films were confirmed canon to Terminator Zero. It just happens.

All that did was remind me I need to watch the Terminator movies

 

[stphylcccs]

Which timeline would you recommend doing first?

 

[Pro Bot]

Which timeline would you recommend doing first?

For Terminator? Just watch them in the chronological order of the timelines.

2029 - Terminator: Resistance
1984 - The Terminator
1995 - Terminator 2: Judgment Day: Director's Cut
1996 - Terminator 2 3-D: Battle Across Time
2004 - Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
2016 - Terminator: Salvation: The Machinima Series 1x01-1x06
2016 - Terminator: Salvation
2018 - Terminator: Salvation: Director's Cut
2007 - Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 1x01-1x09
2008 - Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 2x01-2x22
2015 - Terminator: Genisys: The YouTube Chronicles 1x01-1x03
2017 - Terminator: Genisys
2020 - Terminator: Dark Fate
1997 - Terminator Zero 1x01-1x08

 

[Pro Bot]

Or, more in depth:
Timeline 1
2029 - Terminator: Resistance

Timeline 2
1984 - The Terminator
1995 - Terminator 2: Judgment Day: Director's Cut
1996 - Terminator 2 3-D: Battle Across Time

Timeline 3
1984 - The Terminator
1995 - Terminator 2: Judgment Day: Director's Cut
2004 - Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
2016 - Terminator: Salvation: The Machinima Series 1x01-1x06
2016 - Terminator: Salvation
2018 - Terminator: Salvation: Director's Cut

Timeline 4
1984 - The Terminator
1995 - Terminator 2: Judgment Day: Director's Cut
2007 - Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 1x01-1x09
2008 - Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 2x01-2x22

Timeline 5
2015 - Terminator: Genisys: The YouTube Chronicles 1x01-1x03
2017 - Terminator: Genisys

Timeline 6
1984 - The Terminator
1995 - Terminator 2: Judgment Day: Director's Cut
2020 - Terminator: Dark Fate

Timeline 7
1997 - Terminator Zero 1x01-1x08

 

[Pro Bot]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/16NoCMmX1R/Ms. Yutani short came out. So... the Yutani Corporation was the one that sent out the ship that crashes on Earth a long time ago, huh? It all makes sense that Yutani would be the ones to first start making spaceships and whatnot, considering they acquired alien technology back in 2004.

Just saying, the continuity of this franchise is actually very consistent.

 

[stphylcccs]

Just saying, the continuity of this franchise is actually very consistent.

Hence why there's a separate thread for the shared universe, which is chock full of technological inconsistencies

 

[Pro Bot]

Hence why there's a separate thread for the shared universe, which is chock full of technological inconsistencies

The head-canon one? Yeah, I meant specifically the Alien and Predator franchises with themselves and each other. They're consistent and don't have any inconsistencies, tech-wize.

 

[stphylcccs]

The head-canon one? Yeah, I meant specifically the Alien and Predator franchises with themselves and each other. They're consistent.

Of course, it's just once you try and include any more franchises it falls apart entirely in terms of consistency (hence why it's a separate thread)

 

[Pro Bot]

Of course, it's just once you try and include any more franchises it falls apart entirely in terms of consistency (hence why it's a separate thread)

Yeah... I mean, Dan Trachtenberg said he views Blade Runner as connected, at least thematically, but the head of 20th Century Studios probably disagrees due to rights issues. Terminator ain't happening in a million years.

I actually think Underwater is the only completely 100% valid non-Alien/Predator franchise that fits perfectly, especially since the connection is very specifically accurate for its timeline and I genuinely believe there was a small intent with Weyland Corp's existence in that film's world. Independence Day is something they could force in if they wanted to, they have the rights and Dan said it was very easy to get the Harvester skull in Badlands, which is actually very focused on in the film too, but that would definitely destroy a lot of consistency due to the wide-spanning destruction of both the 1996 and 2016 invasions.

 

[Pro Bot]

Dan also implied that we could see other 20th Century Studios-owned alien skulls. Avatar would actually be a perfect match in my opinion.

 

[stphylcccs]

I'd love to see it get canonically referenced in the Slasherverse, and with so many IPs it's bound to have at least one owned by 20th Century. Though I don't know enough about either timelines to say how consistent it'd be (I've had to put my Slasherverse binge on hiatus until I can get a Hellraiser DVD, which I couldn't even find on… questionable websites, and I prefer the idea of having a physical copy over a digital version (eg on Prime) that I could lose at any time if they removed it from the platform)

 

[Pro Bot]

I think I like the idea that Underwater being connected to Alien implies an overlap between H.P. Lovecraft and H.R. Giger lore. Cthulhu and the Deep Ones actually match pretty well thematically, since Cthulhu is worshipped as a deity by his cultists, and the Engineers are our gods, while the Deep Ones are a product of interspecies breeding and rape, just like the Xenomorphs.

Weyland Corp, Nostromo sound effects, heavy Alien inspiration both in the set design and plot, shady mega corporations, it's actually a perfect fit. Shame all people ever talk about is Blade Runner because Underwater fits a lot better. Also, no contradictions.

 

[Pro Bot]

I'd love to see it get canonically referenced in the Slasherverse, and with so many IPs it's bound to have at least one owned by 20th Century. Though I don't know enough about either timelines to say how consistent it'd be (I've had to put my Slasherverse binge on hiatus until I can get a Hellraiser DVD, which I couldn't even find on… questionable websites, and I prefer the idea of having a physical copy over a digital version (eg on Prime) that I could lose at any time if they removed it from the platform)

I can't really think of anything that would contradict it off the top of my head, though hypothetically that'd bring in superhero crossovers and unfortunately Terminator time travel.

 

[Pro Bot]

It'd be funny if Alien vs. Captain America was set in Earth-7642 rather than Earth-1987. All those Predator crossovers don't fit there but the one thing that does is the Alien one. Between teaming up with Wonder Woman, Steve spent WW2 fighting Xenomorphs? Lol, love it. It's probably what the wiki will do.
I'm using 1987 until it gets a different number because there's no contradiction.