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eloesch289 said:
i personally have gone back and forth in the past but for about the past year or so (specifically right after the release of romulus) ive been pretty much firmly in the camp of "alien/predator/blade runner is one continuity" and any connections to other franchises can be debated upon whats actual proper canon or just fan-service/easter eggs
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Hm, so you're like me then. I think at this point we'd need a direct statement on it. It's kinda funny that both Alien: Earth and Predator: Badlands' directors implied they support it.

styphlcccs said:
I don't know enough about either franchises to know about many inconsistencies (literally all I know about Blade Runner is there's blades and they run :p) but I'm always game for more content in anything (unless it's bad content - connected to anything or not)
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Funnily enough, there's not really any blades and they don't always run. Blade Runner is good content though, very different to Predator but really interesting. I actually think both Blade Runner films are in my top favourite films of all time, along with Alien and Batman Returns.
 
styphlcccs said:
Just looking at where I could watch the Blade Runner movies/shows, and is Soldier the 1998 movie?
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Depends where you live for the movies. I don't really endorse it if you can watch it legally, but pirated versions of Blade Runner usually use The Final Cut. it might be hard to find Black Lotus in English. I actually brought myself an unofficial blu-ray of it just so I could watch that version. It's on CrunchyRoll in the non-canon Japanese language with subtitles.

Yes, Soldier is the one from 1998.
 
Pro Bot said:
Depends where you live for the movies. I don't really endorse it if you can watch it legally, but pirated versions of Blade Runner usually use The Final Cut. it might be hard to find Black Lotus in English. I actually brought myself an unofficial blu-ray of it just so I could watch that version. It's on CrunchyRoll in the non-canon Japanese language with subtitles.

Yes, Soldier is the one from 1998.
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Black Lotus is on Channel 4 (if google's correct), and thanks for the Soldier information (which the movie seems to be scarcer than the original Hellraiser - which is surprisingly hard to find online, even illegally)
 
Pro Bot said:
Hm, so you're like me then. I think at this point we'd need a direct statement on it. It's kinda funny that both Alien: Earth and Predator: Badlands' directors implied they support it.
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yea exactly, the inclusion of a w-y android in badlands really shut the door on the question of "is avp even one canon franchise?" and like you said, rights are really the only thing keeping blade runner not directly connected as well

Pro Bot said:
It'd be cool if the Tyrell Corporation resurfaces in that series, explaining how Dallas was working for a seemingly defunct company prior to Alien.
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yess i was really hoping one of the rival companies would be tyrell, especially considering the stuff on the prometheus bluray, but those damn licensing issues haha
 
lightsyder said:
The original cut of The Predator was supposed to have to "friendly" predators that had been guests of the military for awhile. I think they were in hiding from the Assassin Predator. There was an image released of them in a tank wearing army gear with the humans from the movie. Sadly that was all cut for the 3rd act we got in the woods and on the ship. NECA did make the two Emissary predators as figures though.
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Honestly, I really hate that what potential The Predator could've had got squandered over the whole "aUTIsm iS tHe NeXt sTEp iN HUmAn eVOLutIoN" ********, not to mention that whole DNA harvesting **** that they tried to retcon into the Predator lore (headcanon-wise, it's only a clan of Bad Bloods doing so, and no-one else).
Pro Bot said:
So, Blade Runner. Official statements. Let's see.

For:
-Ridley Scott
-Dan Trachtenberg
-Noah Hawley
-Charles de Lauzirika
-[Creators of Aliens: What If...? comic]
Note: Dan said they can't truly be connected due to rights issues, Noah used language implying they could be connected, Charles wrote the Weyland Files but downplayed their canon significance in regards to Blade Runner, and the Aliens: What If...? creatives can't decide whether they're a canon story or not (I say yes).

Against:
Steve Asbell
Note: According to Dan, Steve thinks differently to him about Blade Runner. Steve is the head of 20th Century Studios.

I'm actually curious, who supports and who is against the Blade Runner connections here on TheComicBoard? It's an inescapable conversation within the Alien franchise, so naturally I'm just curious. I can never make my mind up on whether I like it, I hate it, I'm indifferent, etc. Does it benefit them both or just create minor but unnecessary inconsistencies?
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I mean...
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Pro Bot said:
Depends where you live for the movies. I don't really endorse it if you can watch it legally, but pirated versions of Blade Runner usually use The Final Cut. it might be hard to find Black Lotus in English. I actually brought myself an unofficial blu-ray of it just so I could watch that version. It's on CrunchyRoll in the non-canon Japanese language with subtitles.

Yes, Soldier is the one from 1998.
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I know a site that has the English dub for Black Lotus, if anyone's looking for it. Will DM.
 
Let's just say they are the same universe, replicants are either extinct or integrated into society by, we'll say, the events of Alien: Earth. Heck, Jonsey could be a replicant cat for all we know since apparently a lot of animals were wiped out. Maybe the dog in The Predator could be a replicant too, since Ray McCoy had to keep insisting his (unfortunately unsaveable) dog was real in the Blade Runner game.

In Aliens: What If...?, Burke told Cygnus his kind are illegal now, and he's apparently a replicant. It's possible that he meant the combat models, but it does suggest that replicants are probably mostly gone at that point.
 
If Independence Day was made canon, you could say that the initiative at the start of Soldier with them taking babies away in 1996 was a consequence of the Harvester attack. They wanted warriors in case they returned. It also explains the fast tracked technological expansion of the planet.
 
Pro Bot said:
So, Blade Runner. Official statements. Let's see.

For:
-Ridley Scott
-Dan Trachtenberg
-Noah Hawley
-Charles de Lauzirika
-[Creators of Aliens: What If...? comic]
Note: Dan said they can't truly be connected due to rights issues, Noah used language implying they could be connected, Charles wrote the Weyland Files but downplayed their canon significance in regards to Blade Runner, and the Aliens: What If...? creatives can't decide whether they're a canon story or not (I say yes).

Against:
Steve Asbell
Note: According to Dan, Steve thinks differently to him about Blade Runner. Steve is the head of 20th Century Studios.

I'm actually curious, who supports and who is against the Blade Runner connections here on TheComicBoard? It's an inescapable conversation within the Alien franchise, so naturally I'm just curious. I can never make my mind up on whether I like it, I hate it, I'm indifferent, etc. Does it benefit them both or just create minor but unnecessary inconsistencies?
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well I'm doing an headcanon timeline, so yeah. I'm pro all in one continuity (speaking of Alien/Predator/Blade Runner/Underwater ofc).
 
Pro Bot said:
If Independence Day was made canon, you could say that the initiative at the start of Soldier with them taking babies away in 1996 was a consequence of the Harvester attack. They wanted warriors in case they returned. It also explains the fast tracked technological expansion of the planet.
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Indipendence Day is the closest one to be canon actually.
 
If I can leave an opinion since this timeline has been changed a lot, I'd have in the main timeline just Alien, Predator, Alien vs. Predator crossovers, Underwater and Blade Runner, as with so many times Scott referenced it, can we truly ignore it?

As for the crossover I think they're better in the additional realities. And better be added with all the rest in the headcanon one.
 
tbh the crossovers are such isolated incidents that could be canon in the main timeline, if not for one thing....

Marvel's multiverse listing, putting some crossovers in one reality and some others in another, making all the other crossovers canonicity in doubt.

You could ofc ignore it (and If I'd make a guide for the canon AVP Universe, I'd probably put the crossovers within the main universe) but then, you'll be go against the whole marvel multiverse listing, so yeah, that sucks.
 
Megatron said:
tbh the crossovers are such isolated incidents that could be canon in the main timeline, if not for one thing....

Marvel's multiverse listing, putting some crossovers in one reality and some others in another, making all the other crossovers canonicity in doubt.

You could ofc ignore it (and If I'd make a guide for the canon AVP Universe, I'd probably put the crossovers within the main universe) but then, you'll be go against the whole marvel multiverse listing, so yeah, that sucks.
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Technically Earth-1987 might not be a canon number. We'll see.
 
tho speaking on the DC side, in the Batman Chronology Project they say that Batman versus Predator is canon in the DC's Post-Crisis Universe and they even say that if you want you can count all the AVP media as canon too as they fit, so yeah...

Maybe the DC Crossovers are actual canon, but it's still iffy.
 
Personally I think that canonically (so not in the headcanon) the franchaises that are canon are:

Alien.
Predator.
Blade Runner.
Soldier.
Underwater.
Outland.
Terminator (Only the crossover, so not the whole franchaise).
Indipendence Day.
Death Race (Only the Reboot Universe).
 
Megatron said:
yes, but we still have Earth-94415 and Earth-7642... so yeah.
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"Earth-1987", Earth-7642, and Earth-94415 could all be the setting for Alien vs. Captain America.

Megatron said:
tho speaking on the DC side, in the Batman Chronology Project they say that Batman versus Predator is canon in the DC's Post-Crisis Universe and they even say that if you want you can count all the AVP media as canon too as they fit, so yeah...

Maybe the DC Crossovers are actual canon, but it's still iffy.
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It's complicated due to the fact that the Batman/Aliens crossover acts as a sequel to an Aliens comic.

Megatron said:
Personally I think that canonically (so not in the headcanon) the franchaises that are canon are:

Alien.
Predator.
Blade Runner.
Soldier.
Underwater.
Outland.
Terminator (Only the crossover, so not the whole franchaise).
Indipendence Day.
Death Race (Only the Reboot Universe).
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I wouldn't want to go that far, but noted. I suppose Terminator in this case suggests that AVP is one of the many branched realities.
 
JudgeDreddpool said:
Honestly, I really hate that what potential The Predator could've had got squandered over the whole "aUTIsm iS tHe NeXt sTEp iN HUmAn eVOLutIoN" ********, not to mention that whole DNA harvesting **** that they tried to retcon into the Predator lore (headcanon-wise, it's only a clan of Bad Bloods doing so, and no-one else).
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I 100% agree with everything you typed. In my head canon the super Predators and the Assassin Predator are bad bloods working together. Nolan says in Predators they get interested when they are defeated. To me that means they are collecting DNA via the preserve planet. The Fugitive was just another victim like the Classic Predator in Predators.
 
For Blade Runner and Death Race being included I honestly don't know enough about either property to have an opinion on it. But the more the merrier if it fits! (I should watch both...)

I love the idea of adding Soldier and Underwater to the mix.
 
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lightsyder said:
For Blade Runner and Death Race being included I honestly don't know enough about either property to have an opinion on it. But the nuts the merrier if it fits! (I should watch both...)

I love the idea of adding Soldier and Underwater to the mix.
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Blade Runner and Soldier are intrinsically linked, so package deal.
 

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