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I forgot I think it was just the authors name?
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If the original Twilight was bad, you've clearly haven't read the official gender-swapped version, which essentially makes it into a harem animeLol, **** werewolf grooming as canon is an interesting idea.
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... again, read what I posted earlier.
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Yeah, I was just giving an alternate take on the (possible) reference
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Yes, and I'd already provided a better explanation with Shaun of the Dead.
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yeah not the Buffy knockoff... I never liked Twilight.Lol, **** werewolf grooming as canon is an interesting idea.
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Oh boy, I can't wait!
Didn't society go back to normal at the end just with the zombies?
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Yes. And Shaun was shown playing TimeSplitters (or Halo, I don't recall) with a zombified Ed at the end.
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Going back quite some time, there was some brief discussion of the fan film Hellraiser: Deader--Winter's Lament, with the offhand remark that it had been included in the home release of Hellraiser: Deader and was discussed in The Hellraiser Films and Their Legacy. I myself have been independently preparing a roster of interrelated media (including sitcom and drama television series not discussed here), and I had not previously heard of this. I can't find it in my copy of Films and Their Legacy, and I haven't found any reference to it being released officially as an extra. Does anyone have any more detail?
I am particularly interested because the creator states on his website that Winter's Lament builds from a previous fan film, Hellraiser: Prophecy, identifying a Professor Merchant from the latter with Winter from Hellraiser: Deader. Given that Hellraiser: Prophecy is itself a crossover between the Hellraiser franchise and The Prophecy, the specific details of Winter's Lament seem very important to nail down (not to put too fine a point on it).
I am particularly interested because the creator states on his website that Winter's Lament builds from a previous fan film, Hellraiser: Prophecy, identifying a Professor Merchant from the latter with Winter from Hellraiser: Deader. Given that Hellraiser: Prophecy is itself a crossover between the Hellraiser franchise and The Prophecy, the specific details of Winter's Lament seem very important to nail down (not to put too fine a point on it).
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Is that the one set in the future where all humanity on Earth is dead?
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No More Souls, not the Winters one.
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It sounds as though I may have conflated the two based on the discussion earlier in this thread. I appreciate the clarification.
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It'd be the same logic as including Blair Witch. Also, if you're including Stranger Things, that could mean adding the AvP universe, due to the Weylanb-Yutani reference
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Isn't Blair Witch connected to the View Askewniverse? In the original Blair Witch they mention a clerks character or something, according to the Tommy Westphal Hypothesis wiki which lists that as a connection
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Also not related to this topic but about Creepshow. I think the evil dead episode they did kinda doesn't mean much for connections. Maybe for just Evil Dead, but Michael's Mask in the background probably doesn't mean anything because that same shelf in the episode has tons of references like it has the clockwork owl from clash of the titans and the staff from Indiana Jones
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From what I've heard, Creepshow is way too convoluted to be able to put on a shared timeline. Never seen the show, personally, though I'd like to at some point
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There are some Stephen king books that reference creep show so i always head cannoned that the creep is just a spirit that likes to go through different levels of the dark tower and record they're stories and that the slasher verse is one it frequently visits.
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I would argue that a source where the clear intent is to make positive connections, references should be read that way. Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday, Bride of Chucky, Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon, and Friday the 13th: The Game are good examples, deliberate and readily recognizable.
For example, describing a local bogeyman as "a Jason Voorhees" by itself could be a reference to fiction like the Leatherface, Jason, and Freddy costumes in the Sleepaway Camp series or Stray Bullet's description of the Leprechaun as "I don't know, Chucky on crack?" in Leprechaun in the Hood. In Hatchet II Chad asks if Victor Crowley is "like a Jason Voorhees or something?" then adds "When I was eight, I lived in this town called Glen Echo. Our ghost story is about this man named Leslie Vernon." Frozen's Parker O'Neil is visible on Reverend Zombie's television, and Vernon call Marybeth Dunston "that Blair Witch." By itself, "that Blair Witch" is ambiguous, but when the movie has four outside references and three are clearly meant to be read as in-universe, I consider the fourth reference should also be read as in-universe.
A second example is Chucky's remark in John Hyams, "Jennifer's Body," Chucky (October 18, 2023) that "the most evil houses are always Dutch Colonials. Think about it: Amityville, Elm Street, Twin Peaks." As already observed in this thread, the version of 112 Ocean Avenue in this episode is clearly intended to be the fictional version in the Amityville Horror series. The Child's Play series is already known to be connected to A Nightmare on Elm Street, making 1428 Elm Street a second in-universe haunted house. Parallel construction suggests that Chucky is referring to 708 Northwestern Street in-universe, not to the series Twin Peaks.
Another rule of construction I use is that anthology series that do not feature narrative continuity (The Twilight Zone, Tales from the Dark Side, Creepshow, &c.) do not support connections outside of individual stories. The Zuni fetish doll He Who Kills (Trilogy of Terror), the white William Shatner mask (Halloween), and the Chachapoyan fertility idol (Raiders of the Lost Ark) appear on the set of The Appraiser's Road Trip in Greg Nicotero, "Public Television of the Dead," Creepshow (April 1, 2021), establishing a viable crossover with The Evil Dead within that single episode. It doesn't follow that any of those sources are therefore connected to any other Creepshow segment, since it is not a given that "Public Television of the Dead" is itself directly connected to any other segment. I would argue the same for the segments of the original Creepshow films.
À propos of The Evil Dead....
The Conjuring Universe is interesting because, in addition to its spinoffs (Annabelle et seq., The Nun et seq., Wolves at the Door, The Curse of La Llorona, The 3:07 AM Project, and My Annabelle Creation), the main narrative twice makes explicit reference to Amitvyille, in both The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2. They even appear in the source material: Ed and Lorraine Warren come to 112 Ocean Avenue in the denouement of Jay Anson's novel, The Amityville Horror: A True Story (Prentice Hall, 1977). The frankness with which the series avows the Warrens' connection with 112 Ocean Avenue makes it a bit of metafictional foreshadowing in Late Night with the Devil that Carmichael Haig is somewhat less than he likes to appear to be when he comments that when he was "about to embark on a little ghost hunt in Amityville. My dear friends Ed and Lorraine Warren declined the invitation to join me. Easily spooked."
Out-of-universe, the real-life Warrens have even more connections to horror media. They are credited as "Demonology Advisors" in Amityville II: The Possession, The Haunting in Connecticut is based on another of their cases, and Deliver Us from Evil is based on a book written by NYPD Sgt. Ralph Sarchie, who studied to be a lay exorcist under their New England Society for Psychic Research. While it would be too much to call say that the latter two are connected to The Conjuring, I certainly consider them close cousins.
Interestingly enough, The Amityville Horror series has its own back-of-stage cousin. Father John J. Nicola, S.J., the priest who wrote the preface to Anson's Amityville Horror novel, was a technical advisor on The Exorcist and made an uncredited appearance in that film as a priest. Another Exorcist priest, Father Thomas V. Bermingham, S.J., was also a technical advisor and played Father Tom, the president of Georgetown University in the first film; he was credited as "Religious Consultant" in Amityville II closely with the Warrens' own credit.
In 2009, Atari published the brilliant Ghostbusters: The Video Game, featuring voice acting from Bill Murray, Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Annie Potts, and William Atherton, all reprising their original roles from the 1984 original. Original writers Ramis and Aykroyd script-doctored the game and gave it their imprimatur, original director Ivan Reitman gave it his nihil obstat, and Aykroyd called it the third film in a published interview. As previously noted in this thread, the film features a reference to Egon's nephew Ed, a character originally appearing in the fan film Freddy vs Ghostbusters (which also features a brief appearance by Jason Voorhees, and a claim by Krueger directly referring to Freddy vs. Jason).
This isn't the first outside reference in the live-action continuity of Ghostbusters. Ray appears briefly in 1995's Casper, and prior to that 1990's The Earth Day Special featured an appearance by Egon's (apparently twin) brother Dr. Elon Spengler, president of Wastebusters. Richard Mueller's novelization of the original film, Ghostbusters: The Supernatural Spectacular: A Novel (Tor Books, 1985), mentions that as a child Egon special-ordered a copy of the Necronomicon (i.e., the Arabic grimoire, not the Sumerian Necronomicon Ex-Mortis) from his local library in Cleveland. More recently, Nadeem plays a video game in Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire that director Gil Kenan has identified as a 3D installment of Thou Art Dead, the arcade game seen in 2006's Monster House.
There are actually two other references in Ghostbusters: The Video Game. In the third level, the Rookie can look across the street from the Main Branch of the New York Public Library and see a skyscraper emblazoned with the logo of Omni Consumer Products, the amoral multinational conglomerate featuring prominently in the RoboCop franchise. In the fourth level, Winston comments that "fusion-based exorcism" is "cleaner than somebody's head spinning all around and barfing pea soup." We're back to six degrees of the Warrens.
For example, describing a local bogeyman as "a Jason Voorhees" by itself could be a reference to fiction like the Leatherface, Jason, and Freddy costumes in the Sleepaway Camp series or Stray Bullet's description of the Leprechaun as "I don't know, Chucky on crack?" in Leprechaun in the Hood. In Hatchet II Chad asks if Victor Crowley is "like a Jason Voorhees or something?" then adds "When I was eight, I lived in this town called Glen Echo. Our ghost story is about this man named Leslie Vernon." Frozen's Parker O'Neil is visible on Reverend Zombie's television, and Vernon call Marybeth Dunston "that Blair Witch." By itself, "that Blair Witch" is ambiguous, but when the movie has four outside references and three are clearly meant to be read as in-universe, I consider the fourth reference should also be read as in-universe.
A second example is Chucky's remark in John Hyams, "Jennifer's Body," Chucky (October 18, 2023) that "the most evil houses are always Dutch Colonials. Think about it: Amityville, Elm Street, Twin Peaks." As already observed in this thread, the version of 112 Ocean Avenue in this episode is clearly intended to be the fictional version in the Amityville Horror series. The Child's Play series is already known to be connected to A Nightmare on Elm Street, making 1428 Elm Street a second in-universe haunted house. Parallel construction suggests that Chucky is referring to 708 Northwestern Street in-universe, not to the series Twin Peaks.
Another rule of construction I use is that anthology series that do not feature narrative continuity (The Twilight Zone, Tales from the Dark Side, Creepshow, &c.) do not support connections outside of individual stories. The Zuni fetish doll He Who Kills (Trilogy of Terror), the white William Shatner mask (Halloween), and the Chachapoyan fertility idol (Raiders of the Lost Ark) appear on the set of The Appraiser's Road Trip in Greg Nicotero, "Public Television of the Dead," Creepshow (April 1, 2021), establishing a viable crossover with The Evil Dead within that single episode. It doesn't follow that any of those sources are therefore connected to any other Creepshow segment, since it is not a given that "Public Television of the Dead" is itself directly connected to any other segment. I would argue the same for the segments of the original Creepshow films.
À propos of The Evil Dead....
- Crimewave, dir. Sam Raimi (Columbia Pictures, 1985) features a number of the Detroit Free Press with a front-page story headlined "Military seal off Tennessee murder site. / Time-space disturbance discovered." This presumably refers to the Knowby cabin after the conclusion of Evil Dead 2: Dead by Dawn; I interpret the spacetime disturbance as being responsible for the cabin's inconsistent location, Ash's clouded memory of what precisely happened there, and inconsistency in the transitions between the films.
- Brian Keene, "Hell at S-MART," Phantasm: Further Excursions into Oblivion: A Collection of Short Fiction and Essays Inspired by the Phantasm Series (The Sentinel, 1999), is a direct crossover featuring Ash Williams and Reggie fighting The Tall Man at a new S-MART in Pennsylvania. The stories in Further Excursions are difficult to place, as they do not feature many concrete chronological references while simultaneously involving divergent timelines.
- Face Eater, dir. Jarrod Perrott (Cosmic Chicken Productions, 2008), features a copy of the Necronomicon Ex-Mortis in the Gypsy fortuneteller's tarot parlor in Chicago.
- Axelle Carolyn, "Anya," The Midnight Club (October 7, 2022), has Brightcliffe Hospice Care for Teenagers patient Anya leave Brightcliffe and take a job at S-Mart in 1994.
She is actually comatose and ultimately dies of bone cancer, but the verisimilitude of her dream suggests that S-Mart is real in-universe.
The Conjuring Universe is interesting because, in addition to its spinoffs (Annabelle et seq., The Nun et seq., Wolves at the Door, The Curse of La Llorona, The 3:07 AM Project, and My Annabelle Creation), the main narrative twice makes explicit reference to Amitvyille, in both The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2. They even appear in the source material: Ed and Lorraine Warren come to 112 Ocean Avenue in the denouement of Jay Anson's novel, The Amityville Horror: A True Story (Prentice Hall, 1977). The frankness with which the series avows the Warrens' connection with 112 Ocean Avenue makes it a bit of metafictional foreshadowing in Late Night with the Devil that Carmichael Haig is somewhat less than he likes to appear to be when he comments that when he was "about to embark on a little ghost hunt in Amityville. My dear friends Ed and Lorraine Warren declined the invitation to join me. Easily spooked."
Out-of-universe, the real-life Warrens have even more connections to horror media. They are credited as "Demonology Advisors" in Amityville II: The Possession, The Haunting in Connecticut is based on another of their cases, and Deliver Us from Evil is based on a book written by NYPD Sgt. Ralph Sarchie, who studied to be a lay exorcist under their New England Society for Psychic Research. While it would be too much to call say that the latter two are connected to The Conjuring, I certainly consider them close cousins.
Interestingly enough, The Amityville Horror series has its own back-of-stage cousin. Father John J. Nicola, S.J., the priest who wrote the preface to Anson's Amityville Horror novel, was a technical advisor on The Exorcist and made an uncredited appearance in that film as a priest. Another Exorcist priest, Father Thomas V. Bermingham, S.J., was also a technical advisor and played Father Tom, the president of Georgetown University in the first film; he was credited as "Religious Consultant" in Amityville II closely with the Warrens' own credit.
In 2009, Atari published the brilliant Ghostbusters: The Video Game, featuring voice acting from Bill Murray, Harold Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, Annie Potts, and William Atherton, all reprising their original roles from the 1984 original. Original writers Ramis and Aykroyd script-doctored the game and gave it their imprimatur, original director Ivan Reitman gave it his nihil obstat, and Aykroyd called it the third film in a published interview. As previously noted in this thread, the film features a reference to Egon's nephew Ed, a character originally appearing in the fan film Freddy vs Ghostbusters (which also features a brief appearance by Jason Voorhees, and a claim by Krueger directly referring to Freddy vs. Jason).
This isn't the first outside reference in the live-action continuity of Ghostbusters. Ray appears briefly in 1995's Casper, and prior to that 1990's The Earth Day Special featured an appearance by Egon's (apparently twin) brother Dr. Elon Spengler, president of Wastebusters. Richard Mueller's novelization of the original film, Ghostbusters: The Supernatural Spectacular: A Novel (Tor Books, 1985), mentions that as a child Egon special-ordered a copy of the Necronomicon (i.e., the Arabic grimoire, not the Sumerian Necronomicon Ex-Mortis) from his local library in Cleveland. More recently, Nadeem plays a video game in Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire that director Gil Kenan has identified as a 3D installment of Thou Art Dead, the arcade game seen in 2006's Monster House.
There are actually two other references in Ghostbusters: The Video Game. In the third level, the Rookie can look across the street from the Main Branch of the New York Public Library and see a skyscraper emblazoned with the logo of Omni Consumer Products, the amoral multinational conglomerate featuring prominently in the RoboCop franchise. In the fourth level, Winston comments that "fusion-based exorcism" is "cleaner than somebody's head spinning all around and barfing pea soup." We're back to six degrees of the Warrens.
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Wait there's a crossover between Evil Dead and Phantasm??? Is that official?
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Amazing read. So, what, Monster House is Ghostbusters canon? Right, that's funny. 
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(I don't think I fully accept that, btw. Just find it funny.)
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The Conjuring is not the same universe as Amityville because Amityville and The Conjuring are just using real events and real characters as inspiration. The upcoming Amityville movie might be, though.
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Eh I could see that film as Ghostbusters canon, it's just another type of ghost in that world. It doesn't necessarily contradict the gap of time with no ghost sightings because it's probable they never told anyone what happened because iirc it was only the main cast that saw the Monster House (not 100% sure it's probably been about a decade since I last watched it)Amazing read. So, what, Monster House is Ghostbusters canon? Right, that's funny.
