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X-Men Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Revised & Original)
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I'm guessing the first appearance for the dystopian original reality being DOFP was a mistake and it was meant to be X-Men 1?
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Wait, seriously?!
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let's see if it will pass the Power Rangers test.
EDIT: Nope, I still can't edit the Simplified Order
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Better yet, the Assassin's Creed test
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thanks, but I don't want to risk deleating something from it.
And I can't edit anyways, I just checked
Now hopefully we get designations for:
*Nicepool's universe
*Patch's universe
*Brown suit Wolverine vs Hulk universe
*Cavillrine universe
*Worse Wolverine universe
*Samuraipool universe (this is not the same version as the comic character Watari, as the movie version has a healing factor while the comic one doesn't)
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Headcanon - Xavier and Mystique's sibling relationship in the Original Trilogy:
Xavier, in 2023, mentions his past with Mystique in DOFP. After she killed Bolivar Trask in 1973, she get captured and sent to Trask Industries custody, they tortured her and experimented on her, a experience that affected her psychological. Mystique manage to escape of Trask Industries of her own in 1974.
Also in 1974, after began taking healthy doses of serum and have his powers return, but weakened as serum's effect, Charles communicate with Raven, with Cerebro, projection himself to her (like he did in DOFP), he discover that she escapes Trask Industries custody.
She was mad with him, saying that he didn't help her to release her custody, that she suffored experimentation as a form of torture, that his philosophy is wrong, Erik's philosophy is right, that he always controled her life, insisting her to hide her appearance, that he never liked/accept her appearance, etc, so she wanted to stay away from him, never wants to see him again, so she hates him now. Professor X reluctantly and sadly decides to steps back on her, respecting her request, he seen that there isn't a way to reconcile with her, this happened between First Class and X1.
Eventually Mystique reunites with Erik and rejoins in his new Brotherhood of Mutants. Xavier reflects as he see that maybe he didn't treat her in right way, but he just wanted her well, feeling guilty that she become what she is now because of him. Charles, feeling sick with shame and regret, so much, that he refused to reveal his relationship with Mystique to anyone, only like, Hank and Erik knew their sibling relationship, until 2023 in DOFP's dark future. That's why Charles didn't interact with her in Original Trilogy.
Xavier, in 2023, mentions his past with Mystique in DOFP. After she killed Bolivar Trask in 1973, she get captured and sent to Trask Industries custody, they tortured her and experimented on her, a experience that affected her psychological. Mystique manage to escape of Trask Industries of her own in 1974.
Also in 1974, after began taking healthy doses of serum and have his powers return, but weakened as serum's effect, Charles communicate with Raven, with Cerebro, projection himself to her (like he did in DOFP), he discover that she escapes Trask Industries custody.
She was mad with him, saying that he didn't help her to release her custody, that she suffored experimentation as a form of torture, that his philosophy is wrong, Erik's philosophy is right, that he always controled her life, insisting her to hide her appearance, that he never liked/accept her appearance, etc, so she wanted to stay away from him, never wants to see him again, so she hates him now. Professor X reluctantly and sadly decides to steps back on her, respecting her request, he seen that there isn't a way to reconcile with her, this happened between First Class and X1.
Eventually Mystique reunites with Erik and rejoins in his new Brotherhood of Mutants. Xavier reflects as he see that maybe he didn't treat her in right way, but he just wanted her well, feeling guilty that she become what she is now because of him. Charles, feeling sick with shame and regret, so much, that he refused to reveal his relationship with Mystique to anyone, only like, Hank and Erik knew their sibling relationship, until 2023 in DOFP's dark future. That's why Charles didn't interact with her in Original Trilogy.
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Headcanon - Xavier with working legs, with his powers and his hair loss in Original Timeline:
He took Beast's serum to regain his legs, was already addicted by 1973, so he lost his powers, later he began taking healthy doses before his body became permanently immune to it. The serum, in correct use, allows him have working legs, also, had his telepathy ability, but weak. Because of him using Cerebro, which enchance his telepathy, this caused straining on him, because serum's effect caused his powers to be weakened, leading irreparable hair loss on him as consequence, leaving him bald. He eventually also became immune of serum, because of his addiction's period, leading him to return to wheelchair, all of this happened in the Original Timeline. In Revised Timeline, he stopped using the serum for good in 1973, that's why he didn't become bald in 1974, like in Original Timeline, because he stopped using. Xavier became bald in 1983, thanks to Apocalypse, in Revised Timeline.
He took Beast's serum to regain his legs, was already addicted by 1973, so he lost his powers, later he began taking healthy doses before his body became permanently immune to it. The serum, in correct use, allows him have working legs, also, had his telepathy ability, but weak. Because of him using Cerebro, which enchance his telepathy, this caused straining on him, because serum's effect caused his powers to be weakened, leading irreparable hair loss on him as consequence, leaving him bald. He eventually also became immune of serum, because of his addiction's period, leading him to return to wheelchair, all of this happened in the Original Timeline. In Revised Timeline, he stopped using the serum for good in 1973, that's why he didn't become bald in 1974, like in Original Timeline, because he stopped using. Xavier became bald in 1983, thanks to Apocalypse, in Revised Timeline.
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How Magneto get proved his innocence for him didn't in fact kill JFK in Original Timeline?
My headcanon:
Erik somehow discover that JFK was mutant, so he was there in Dallas to support him, he then saw Lee Harvey Oswald there, then attempted to protect Kennedy, but failed.
We know that in 1980s he was able to walk around in public without being arrested in The Last Stand flashback. He get arrested in 1963.
By the early 1980s, film technology improved. Scientists used computerized frame-by-frame analysis (which was brand new at the time) on the footage of the assassination. They discovered that the bullet didn't just curve toward the President, it actually slowed down significantly before the final impact.
But authorities arrived seized him they broke his concentration, causing the shot to strike Kennedy and kill him.
If Magneto wanted it to hit, it would have stayed at full speed. The fact that it slowed down proved he was using his powers to brake the bullet.
After footage get released public, Erik get represented by a lawyer (who was secretly mutant, no one knew). That's why he accepted to represented him.
The court agreed that the "Bent Bullet" wasn't an attack, but a failed rescue attempt, a "Attempted Life-Saving Interference."
Erik get freed from concrete and glass prison beneath the Pentagon, in early 1980s.
Erik manage to restart his friendship with Charles, this leading to The Last Stand flashback scene with young Jean Grey, until they parted ways again.
What do you guys think? Makes senses?
My headcanon:
Erik somehow discover that JFK was mutant, so he was there in Dallas to support him, he then saw Lee Harvey Oswald there, then attempted to protect Kennedy, but failed.
We know that in 1980s he was able to walk around in public without being arrested in The Last Stand flashback. He get arrested in 1963.
By the early 1980s, film technology improved. Scientists used computerized frame-by-frame analysis (which was brand new at the time) on the footage of the assassination. They discovered that the bullet didn't just curve toward the President, it actually slowed down significantly before the final impact.
But authorities arrived seized him they broke his concentration, causing the shot to strike Kennedy and kill him.
If Magneto wanted it to hit, it would have stayed at full speed. The fact that it slowed down proved he was using his powers to brake the bullet.
After footage get released public, Erik get represented by a lawyer (who was secretly mutant, no one knew). That's why he accepted to represented him.
The court agreed that the "Bent Bullet" wasn't an attack, but a failed rescue attempt, a "Attempted Life-Saving Interference."
Erik get freed from concrete and glass prison beneath the Pentagon, in early 1980s.
Erik manage to restart his friendship with Charles, this leading to The Last Stand flashback scene with young Jean Grey, until they parted ways again.
What do you guys think? Makes senses?
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Yeah, seems reasonable enough.
Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto - Post-Auschwitz to X-Men: First Class (Headcanon)
1945–1948
• Liberated from Auschwitz at 14.
• Completes secondary education in post-war Europe.
• Supported by Jewish relief organizations.
1949–1953
• Immigrates to New York in 1949 (He saw Statue of Liberty for the first time).
• Enrolls in engineering college in City College of New York.
• Graduates in 1953, age 23.
1955
• Briefly meets 17-year-old Charles Xavier in New York, but forgot.
• In Washington, Erik meets Ms. Maximoff, he start a relationship with her.
1956
• Peter Maximoff/Quicksliver is born. Erik have leaved before his born, not knowing of their existence. Erik leaved Ms. Maximoff to him start his hunt for Shaw.
1956–1962
Shaw's hunt mission:
• Begins tracking former Nazis and collaborators.
• Erik narrows the search to Sebastian Shaw.
• Leading to X-Men: First Class (1962).
That's why he manage to help Hank and Charles to build Original Trilogy's Cerebro in 1980s, to build anti-telepathic helmets (with Cerebro's knowledge) and build the Mutant Conversion Machine in X1.
What do you guys think? Makes Sense?
I think makes sense, didn't interfere with canon, fill some gaps.
1945–1948
• Liberated from Auschwitz at 14.
• Completes secondary education in post-war Europe.
• Supported by Jewish relief organizations.
1949–1953
• Immigrates to New York in 1949 (He saw Statue of Liberty for the first time).
• Enrolls in engineering college in City College of New York.
• Graduates in 1953, age 23.
1955
• Briefly meets 17-year-old Charles Xavier in New York, but forgot.
• In Washington, Erik meets Ms. Maximoff, he start a relationship with her.
1956
• Peter Maximoff/Quicksliver is born. Erik have leaved before his born, not knowing of their existence. Erik leaved Ms. Maximoff to him start his hunt for Shaw.
1956–1962
Shaw's hunt mission:
• Begins tracking former Nazis and collaborators.
• Erik narrows the search to Sebastian Shaw.
• Leading to X-Men: First Class (1962).
That's why he manage to help Hank and Charles to build Original Trilogy's Cerebro in 1980s, to build anti-telepathic helmets (with Cerebro's knowledge) and build the Mutant Conversion Machine in X1.
What do you guys think? Makes Sense?
I think makes sense, didn't interfere with canon, fill some gaps.
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•In Revised Timeline, how Colossus have Russian accent and why he stays all the time in metal form in Deadpool movies? (Headcanon):
He emigrated to America and gained an American accent in the Original Timeline. In Revised Timeline he emigrated much later from Russia to America then joins Xavier's school, that's why he have Russian accent in Deadpool movies. In Revised Timeline, he stays metal as a form of respect for his mutation. He appeared in human form in DOFP ending in 2023, teaching with Kitty Pryde, because he was in human form specifically for Kitty, they are dating by that time, start dating after Deadpool 2, but eventually they amicably broke up, so he returns to be in metal form, we see him again in 2024, in Deadpool & Wolverine, he was again in metal form.
What do you guys think? Makes senses?
He emigrated to America and gained an American accent in the Original Timeline. In Revised Timeline he emigrated much later from Russia to America then joins Xavier's school, that's why he have Russian accent in Deadpool movies. In Revised Timeline, he stays metal as a form of respect for his mutation. He appeared in human form in DOFP ending in 2023, teaching with Kitty Pryde, because he was in human form specifically for Kitty, they are dating by that time, start dating after Deadpool 2, but eventually they amicably broke up, so he returns to be in metal form, we see him again in 2024, in Deadpool & Wolverine, he was again in metal form.
What do you guys think? Makes senses?
I think other possible headcanon is that he get injured, like the X-Men fought a threat like Mr. Sinister/Marauders, leading him to be temporary in just his human form, not be able to be in metal form.
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I like to think that the X-Men finally got faced against Mr. Sinister, after events of Deadpool 2, in 2018, between 2018 and 2023, since they get knowledge of Essex Orphanage, this lead to them finally find Mr. Sinister, then defeat him, then like I said Colossus get injured during this conflict with Mr. Sinister and Marauders, it caused to him not be able to turn in metal form temporary (A similar thing occurred in Mutant Massacre comic, but the opposite, he didn't manage to turn back to his human form).
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I think I prefer this headcanon about why Colossus was in human form in 2023, instead the other that he choice to be human form because of Kitty Pryde.
Headcanon: Erik learned by Emma Frost, in 1962, after First Class events, about Shaw helmet, that was build by metal, but have anti-telepathic tech, also the mirrors of nuclear reactor of submarine of Shaw. After he part way again with Xavier in 80s, in 90s, he returned to be Magneto, he then meets Forge, a intelligent mutant, like Beast, that sympathized with Magneto, so he decides to join the new Brotherhood (in Ultimate universe, he was part of Brotherhood), he didn't acted in field, like the others, he was the scientist of team, so Xavier never knew him, so Forge build the helmets to Magneto, by using the Cerebro's knowledge that Erik get, by helping Beast and Xavier to build Original Trilogy's Cerebro, the protections in Magneto's hideout in Genosha and Mutant Conversion Machine in X1. But, prior X1, Forge decides to betray Erik, change his mind about Magneto's philosophy, so he end up get killed off, that's why he is not with Brotherhood in X1. After X2, Magneto, Mystique and Pyro returned to Genosha. Between X2 and The Last Stand, they transported some of the anti-telepathic protection in Genosha to put in a new hideout, The Last Stand's Magneto hideout in the forest. This all just happened in Original Timeline.
Magneto is not a genius, like Beast or Forge, so, for me, he had help to build the subsequent helmets, the machine of X1, etc, this what I think.
This headcanon make sense? Contradict the canon of Fox movies? Could be canon? What do you guys think?
Magneto is not a genius, like Beast or Forge, so, for me, he had help to build the subsequent helmets, the machine of X1, etc, this what I think.
This headcanon make sense? Contradict the canon of Fox movies? Could be canon? What do you guys think?
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Something about DOFP that I never understand is, ''How Bolivar Trask become a martyr and get his Sentinel Program approved?'', since he was attempted to sell pitch his Sentinel Program to Vietnamese officials in a private reunion in the same hotel that Paris Peace Accords was going to be signed, before he get killed by Mystique, the assasination happened before the Paris Peace Accords event.
He previous get declined by US Congress, so he was betraying US by selling Sentinel program to a foreign nation.
We known he get killed by Mystique, then she get captured, Stryker tazed her, then she get sent to Trask Industries, passing through torture and experimentation.
What I think happened: Trask's crew and Stryker had covered up, they said that Trask was in his room of the hotel, then Mystique managed to go there and killed him, instead of saying that he was have a private reunion with Vietnamese officials in a reunion room of the hotel, they paid or leveraged the Vietnamese officials to be in silent, to not reveal that they are in a private reunion with him, so Trask's crew and Stryker said that Trask was just there to witness the Paris Peace Accords event as a citizen. In Revised Timeline, he didn't die this time. In DOFP's end (deleted scene), Trask get into custody, because Stryker, to get out of trouble, decides to reveal that Trask sold military secrets to to foreign nations, leading to Sentinel Program get cancelled, probably leading to Trask Industries to shutdown in Revised Timeline.
What do you guys think? Make sense?
He previous get declined by US Congress, so he was betraying US by selling Sentinel program to a foreign nation.
We known he get killed by Mystique, then she get captured, Stryker tazed her, then she get sent to Trask Industries, passing through torture and experimentation.
What I think happened: Trask's crew and Stryker had covered up, they said that Trask was in his room of the hotel, then Mystique managed to go there and killed him, instead of saying that he was have a private reunion with Vietnamese officials in a reunion room of the hotel, they paid or leveraged the Vietnamese officials to be in silent, to not reveal that they are in a private reunion with him, so Trask's crew and Stryker said that Trask was just there to witness the Paris Peace Accords event as a citizen. In Revised Timeline, he didn't die this time. In DOFP's end (deleted scene), Trask get into custody, because Stryker, to get out of trouble, decides to reveal that Trask sold military secrets to to foreign nations, leading to Sentinel Program get cancelled, probably leading to Trask Industries to shutdown in Revised Timeline.
What do you guys think? Make sense?
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So are they saying the OG timeline is erased and nu-Earth-10005 includes Logan?
That's interesting...because the Deadpool/Wade Wilson Sr. scene from Origins is seen in the Deadpool 2 post-credits. I guess we can assume that did occur in the Earth-10005 timeline but differently, and after 1983 as opposed to 1979.
As for the Logan implication, well, keep in mind that's a future that isn't set in stone - ESPECIALLY since that future may no longer exist after Doomsday thus never comes to pass, thus is a separate designation. Maybe. Professor X's seizure could happen in Doomsday in November/December 2028.
@Mike_Castle Thoughts?
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If they do that... then it means that what happens in the Dark Future from DOFP is the timeline before the other films happen, so unknown events leads to DOFP, then Wolverine' changes in the past makes the universe where all the films takes place.
They could also retcon it by saying that what happened in 1973 was meant to happen? But the problem would remain for DOFP's End scene. If we go with this 2nd pattern, then the end scene was a dream wolvie has in 1973 After the film's events, the remaining mutants in 2023 survived and went into hiding, until 2028 where Prof X completes the Sentinel's work and so they are shut down cos the mutants are on the blink of extinction. (but we have to assume that the sentinels didn't go rogue as in the comics' DOFP, and instead stayed loyal to humans).
I think Marvel Studios wants to apply the Sacred Timeline logic to every Main universes that resides in a multiversal tree, this could maybe explain why in D&W the Foxverse was listed as earth-10005 and not Earth-41578.
Imo these are the only ways that can work (and if they really do that), if not someone else has a better plan to make this work?
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ain't that literally just what a bit of everything said
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I just think it's a dumb theory not worth talking about. If they reference Original Timeline events, that just means that similar events happened in the new timeline. Not that confusing.
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Like in Logan you see the sword that Wolverine had in the 2013 film, so presumably under unknown circumstances he went though the same events without Jean dying and resolved whatever happened similar offscreen.
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I hate to add deleted scenes, but I feel like William Stryker getting arrested deleted scene from Apocalypse is very important because it shows how the events of X2 will never come to pass in the new timeline because he is stripped of his military rankings and put in federal prison.
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I agree with Pro Bot. Of course, I hope this turns out to be just a Twitter crap and there won't be any further headaches regarding the X-Men timeline, but from the perspective of the broader Multiverse and the Appendix, regardless of what the movies say, these will continue to be viewed as separate universes. Probably. If Doomsday claims that the original timeline, the revised timeline, and Logan all belong to the same reality, then that's simply a big f-you to the rules established in Endgame and expanded upon in Loki
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the worse thing is that in that post, if you read the comments, some people are happy, cos this will SIMPLIFY things. Idk but to me it looks like making it even more complicated.
