Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)

[Pro Bot]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Time_Variance_Authority_(Earth-TRN870)/AppearancesThe TVA featured in Web of Spider-Man Vol 3 #1, Spider-Gwen: The Ghost-Spider #1, and Venom War: Deadpool #3 is considered our TVA on the Marvel wiki.

 

[Pro Bot]

I've seen people say that it's really confusing, but is it really that hard to say that the TVA's comic history happened, then there's some stuff in the middle, then the MCU TVA history happens, with Nathaniel Richards rebooting it? Seems simple enough to me.

 

[selfishmisery]

Spoiler: What If S3 EP2 SPOILERS

So Arishem totally dead? I don't see how a being like him has a variant and might have been the only one in this multiverse.

Imagine if that's how they wrapped up that loose end from Eternals...

 

[Pro Bot]

What makes you think Arishem is multiversal?

 

[selfishmisery]

What makes you think Arishem is multiversal?

Celestials entering the same 4th dimensional plane as Watcher at the very end, plus that seemed to imply there is some power vacuum now for the Celestials

 

[Pro Bot]

Celestials entering the same 4th dimensional plane as Watcher at the very end, plus that seemed to imply there is some power vacuum for the Celestials

I think that was just to show that they're attacking Earth in that universe because Agatha killed him.

 

[selfishmisery]

I think that was just to show that they're attacking Earth in that universe because Agatha killed him.

We'll see if that gets answered in the following days. I think the fact that Watcher (MCU) is singular in the multiverse and the Celestials are able to "meet him on his level" so to speak implies that Arishem is singular as well and 100% dead.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Aris...were split across,aspect of the true Arishem.

Arishem was one of the Celestials who rebelled against the Aspirants and First Firmament. They shattered the First Cosmos into the Second Cosmos, the first Multiverse, and later created the Omegas as servitors.

The Celestials were split across the Multiverse. Their counterparts are interconnected aspects of themselves and not separate beings. Thus, the Arishem of Earth-616 is one aspect of the true Arishem.

We're both right. It's a Darkseid/True Darkseid situation. The Arishem who died, however, is separate from the one from Earth-199999 or Earth-616. Think of it like deleting a document on a file. Yes, that document (Arishem/What If...? 3x02) is gone, but the file (true Arishem) is still active.

 

[BabyBomber]

Celestials entering the same 4th dimensional plane as Watcher at the very end, plus that seemed to imply there is some power vacuum now for the Celestials

I didn't take that as the other Celestials being in the Nexus with Watcher. I thought it was just the Celestials Ajak warned would be coming pulling up to Earth (the talk of a "sequel" and the credits art having the same Celestials in the same positions but without the Watcher)

I never got the sense that MCU Arishem was intended to be some super-dimensional being on the same level as the Watcher

 

[BabyBomber]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Aris...were split across,aspect of the true Arishem.
We're both right. It's a Darkseid/True Darkseid situation. The Arishem who died, however, is separate from the one from Earth-199999 or Earth-616. Think of it like deleting a document on a file. Yes, that document (Arishem/What If...? 3x02) is gone, but the file (true Arishem) is still active.

Interesting

 

[selfishmisery]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Arishem_(Earth-199999)#cite_ref-X-Termination_Vol_1_1_2-0Hmmmm

 

[myusernameyes]

I really hate the entire "there's only one Variant of a person in the Multiverse and the rest are just aspects" thing
Inheritors, Mojo, Askani...
People are aware many interpretations exist, right?

 

[selfishmisery]

I read some theory not too long ago that X-Men 97 could tell the story of how Earth-199999 "split off" from a branch somewhere adjacent to (comic) Earth-616 to it's own multiverse towards the beginning of the time onwards - involving Immortus' machinations from the original show
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nathaniel_Richards_(Immortus)_(Earth-6311)#cite_ref-73
Maybe that's what Kevin Feige meant by Earth-92131 being "MCU" even though it's clearly not? Telling the backstory of how this "He Who Remains" came about?

(All of this is pre-birth of the MCU, in totality, as in pre-Iron Man 1.)

 

[BabyBomber]

Was doing some digging and found in a, now deleted, Marvel.com page (thx Wayback Machine) that Iron Man/Hulk Heroes United can potentially fit between Avengers and what would become Age of Ultron. https://web.archive.org/web/2016041...k_unite_for_the_holidays_in_new_animated_film

Now obviously this isn’t canon to the main MCU but it got me curious. Besides LEGO and the GOTG Cartoon what non-Marvel Studios projects can be considered MCU-Adjacent? By that I mean things that treat/are mentioned as having MCU-inspired content/events as part of its continuity

 

[Pro Bot]

Was doing some digging and found in a, now deleted, Marvel.com page (thx Wayback Machine) that Iron Man/Hulk Heroes United can potentially fit between Avengers and what would become Age of Ultron. https://web.archive.org/web/2016041...k_unite_for_the_holidays_in_new_animated_film View attachment 2998

Now obviously this isn't canon to the main MCU but it got me curious. Besides LEGO and the GOTG Cartoon what non-Marvel Studios projects can be considered MCU-Adjacent? By that I mean things that treat/are mentioned as having MCU-inspired content/events as part of its continuity

Ultimate Spider-Man/Avengers Assemble/Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H. has some MCU elements, mainly design-wise, but also in the presence of MCU-original characters such as Phil Coulson, Leo Fitz and Jemma Summons. The Avengers Assemble/Guardians of the Galaxy/Spider-Man animated universe, naturally, also shares MCU details, though you've noted this already.

 

[Pro Bot]

Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur is also somewhat MCU-adjacent.

 

[myusernameyes]

So all realities post 2012 are divergences, got it

 

[Pro Bot]

I wouldn't say that necessarily. They just take a few things here and there. Well, technically all universes diverge from one another if you go back far enough, but that's not the point.

 

[selfishmisery]

I read some theory not too long ago that X-Men 97 could tell the story of how Earth-199999 "split off" from a branch somewhere adjacent to (comic) Earth-616 to it's own multiverse towards the beginning of the time onwards - involving Immortus' machinations from the original show
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nathaniel_Richards_(Immortus)_(Earth-6311)#cite_ref-73
Maybe that's what Kevin Feige meant by Earth-92131 being "MCU" even though it's clearly not? Telling the backstory of how this "He Who Remains" came about?

(All of this is pre-birth of the MCU, in totality, as in pre-Iron Man 1.)

Here's my guess on the chronology of this:

Immortus/Bender takes back Limbo -> Avengers: Forever (1998-1999) -> Potential X-Men 97 storyline (Immortus interacts with Earth-199999 in 3000 AD?) -> Multiversal War (Earth-199999 variant, "He Who Remains", wins after weaponizing Alioth) -> MCU created as its own separate cluster and its own TVA -> Loki creates the MCU's multiverse

 

[eloesch289]

I think that was just to show that they're attacking Earth in that universe because Agatha killed him.

this is what i thought aswell, like zombie thanos being at the end of s1e5 as a cliffhanger