Alien vs. Predator - Timeline

[Zeitschiene]

Vincent Cassel's Character in Underwater works for Tian Industries, not directly for Weyland Corp, even though he has the logo. Might be related to Weyland Corp tho, so could still fit. Also, it's a fun movie, worth checking out

 

[Pro Bot]

You are correct, they all work for Tian Corporation.

 

[Zeitschiene]

You are correct, they all work for Tian Corporation.

Could it still fit?

 

[Pro Bot]

Them working for the Tian Corporation has nothing to do with whether it fits or not. I've never claimed that they were directly working for the Weyland Corporation, only that they used the Weyland Corp logo and had text underneath said logo that stated "Weyland Corp" but very faded (thus it should exist in-universe), which fits the timeline because that existed from 2012-2099 and this movie is set in 2050, and the station makes the exact same noises from the Nostromo in Alien around 18 minutes in. There could be a connection between Weyland and Tian hence why they provided the belt, but I never said that they are working directly for Weyland Corp.

 

[Pro Bot]

Could it still fit?

But at the same time, it's up to you guys really. I've included it because watching the movie and noting the connections it seems somewhat intentional, but at the same time it's not an "official" Alien/Predator film. I actually looked through all of the bonus features and the commentary. There wasn't any references to the Alien connections, so again, we'll likely never know for sure. Just going off of the easter eggs, it seems like it fits in. It is a fact that Weyland Corp exists in that world. Still makes me a bit uncomfortable including it. The inclusion of the Nostromo audio helps it.

So uhh, been trying to find a copy of AVP: Sand Trap to read, but I'm having no luck with finding one.

Apparently it was supposed to be collected in trade paperback form through Dark Horse before the Disney and subsequent Marvel takeover. Hopefully Marvel release a big AVP book with it in.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens_vs._Predator:_The_Essential_Comics_Volume_2

 

[Zeitschiene]

But at the same time, it's up to you guys really. I've included it because watching the movie and noting the connections it seems somewhat intentional, but at the same time it's not an "official" Alien/Predator film. I actually looked through all of the bonus features and the commentary. There wasn't any references to the Alien connections, so again, we'll likely never know for sure. Just going off of the easter eggs, it seems like it fits in. It is a fact that Weyland Corp exists in that world. Still makes me a bit uncomfortable including it. The inclusion of the Nostromo audio helps it.


Apparently it was supposed to be collected in trade paperback form through Dark Horse before the Disney and subsequent Marvel takeover. Hopefully Marvel release a big AVP book with it in.
https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Aliens_vs._Predator:_The_Essential_Comics_Volume_2

With that Level of connectivity, shouldn't Outland also be added? The only Thing missing is the Weyland Corp or Weyland-Youtani Logo (not sure when this is set

 

[Zeitschiene]

Can we vote for both Underwater and Outland?

 

[Megatron]

Can we vote for both Underwater and Outland?

if we vote. I vote to have them both.

 

[Pro Bot]

Fair enough then... I suppose the Aliens spacesuit thing is a two-way connection...

 

[Pro Bot]

Outland Timeline
-Hypersleep Chambers exist. They were apparently invented in 2030 according to Alien lore.

-They don't use FTL travel to get back to Earth. FTL travel was discovered in 2032 according to Alien lore, but the first ship to utilise it was invented in 2035.

-Paul's (O'Niel's son) actor is age 14 in 1981, so let's assume that he's 14 in the movie. He has never been to Earth before. Presumably, they arrived on Lo before he was born and probably used a hypersleep chamber.

To lower the chances of FTL travel being widely used during the time of the movie, we should minimise how far into the future the movie is. They probably arrived on Lo sometime after 2030, and it took them one year to get there, so 2031. Paul would be conceived by the following year, 2032, plus 14 years means 2046. However, it likely took a few years before they slept to Lo, so we'll say 5-10 years perhaps, and we have 2051-2056. So, about 2053 I guess? It's really a complete estimate though, and some of the implied technology of Blade Runner could suggest differently, but that's my placement. Fitting right between Underwater and Marvel's Predator comics.

 

[Pro Bot]

Paul W. S. Anderson: "Now, on Kurt's shoulder there is the Tanhauser Gate. That's one of the battles that he fought in, which people might recognise from Blade Runner as well, Rutger Hauer talks about C-beams glittering in the darkness off the Tanhauser Gate, and David Peoples also did the adaptation of Blade Runner. There's a lot of references to Blade Runner in this film. I always saw the two movies, Soldier and Blade Runner, although they're very, very different, as existing in the same universe, so that if Kurt ever went to Earth, he'd encounter Harrison Ford down there."
Paul W. S. Anderson: "So, yeah. Blade Runner was a constant influence to us during the making of this film. And also thematically, Blade Runner is very much about the machine that becomes as human as it possibly can be, Rutger Hauer's character, whereas this movie is about the man who becomes as machine-like as the military can make him. So in a way, both Kurt and Rutger are looking for their humanity."

-Soldier, director's commentary

 

[Pro Bot]

I'm including the Weyland Timeline and, I suppose, the Peter Weyland Files (Prometheus extra that references the distress signal on LV-426 and Blade Runner events). I love how we go from "global warming reversed" to The Predator referring to present global warming and then Blade Runner existing in a world that has been polluted by climate change, lol.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://bladerunner.fandom.com/wiki/Third_Terran_WarImagine that Jonesy was a replicant cat, hehe.

 

[iceman109]

When in the timeline did it happen you think?

 

[Pro Bot]

Pre-November 2019. That's all we have to go off of.

Added Outland and the Weyland Industries Corporate Timeline.

 

[Rojinn]

Pre-November 2019. That's all we have to go off of.

Added Outland and the Weyland Industries Corporate Timeline.

Why did you place Outland in 2034? I thought 2053 was the estimate?

 

[Pro Bot]

I changed my mind.

 

[Pro Bot]

Replicant is used again in #5. I guess he is a replicant then... one with white android blood. Okay I guess.

 

[Jozaca]

Didn't the government made a law for replicants to be distinguished from humans or something? Can't be that the white blood in androids in the Alien films is a product of that and the androids are replicants?

 

[Pro Bot]

Didn't the government made a law for replicants to be distinguished from humans or something? Can't be that the white blood in androids in the Alien films is a product of that and the androids are replicants?

The first android was invented in 2025 (David 1, as seen in the Covenant flashback). Plus, remember Peter Weyland's memo about replicants? He refers to replicants as being as whole different species to androids essentially.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/alien-earth-fx-series-official-title-1236075991/

 

[Pro Bot]

Here's what Earth looks like in Alien: Earth from old concept art by the way. The Weyland-Yutani logo, talk of it being about the origin of "Weyland-Yutani", and the fact there's someone working for Weyland-Yutani in the cast suggests that it should be between Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, really set in 2099 based on the Weyland-Yutani Report. I suppose that some information could have gotten mixed up in the Big Deletion though. Perhaps they merged a year following the departure of the Prometheus (so literally 30 years before Alien, 2092)?

 

[ItzStitch626]

Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 30 (1:22:34 - 1:26:38)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 31 (1:26:39 - 1:38:49)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 32 (1:28:50 - 1:28:49)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 33 (1:30:49 - 1:32:39)
Alien: Director's Cut Chapter 34 (1:32:40 - 1:34:23)

Found a small mistake here

 

[ItzStitch626]

Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 22 (1:07:41 - 1:07:40)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 23 (1:19:37 - 1:19:36)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 24 (1:22:07 - 1:22:06)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 25 (1:28:21 - 1:28:20)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 26 (1:31:46 - 1:31:45)
Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition Chapter 27 (1:34:16 - 1:38:57)

Where's the rest of the timestamps?

 

[Rojinn]

Are the Alien 40th anniversary short films canon? I know they are fan made, but in association with Fox, so they are semi-official

 

[Pro Bot]

Yes, they are.

 

[Pro Bot]

I watched the entire director's commentary of Outland.

"In the future, the whole concept of non-sleek looking, non-romantic looking kind of set in the future, is totally due to Ridley Scott making Alien and Blade Runner. That's the genesis of giving some people like me the courage to say 'oh I think I know what it should look like', and then work within it." - Peter Hyams

That's the only reference to Alien. Again, seems to me more like an aesthetic design choice more than anything. Underwater is similar in this regard, but that actually has in-universe connections so I feel that's understandable (Weyland Corp categorically exists because we can see it in the movie).

This is obviously not a completely reliable source, but here's someone's claim about it when they asked the costume designer for Alien/Outland.
https://www.therpf.com/forums/threa...did-they-live-in-the-same-world.186275/page-2

I don't know if I already wrote this before but I once interviewed Tiny Nichols over the phone (actually twice) and since I remembered this "question" from either this forum or the IMDb boards, I asked Nichols the very same question.
The answer is that there was not a connection, not a planned one anyway, it was just the way they (costumiers, set designer etc) imagined the future in those years, add the fact that a few of the same people worked on both films and you get fuel for fan-imagination where the two movies MIGHT co-exist in the same universe. Weylan might be a competitor of Con-Am.
But it wasn't in the idea of the movie-makers.

Some people claim that they read something about them being unoffically linked in Starlog Magazine, but Peter Hyams actually distanced himself from the Alien influence in the actual magazine.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/outland-alien/

However, though it's easy to get the impression that Hyams saw Alien and deliberately replicated it, Hyams himself denied that he was influenced by Ridley Scott's film. "No," he told Starlog magazine in 1981, "I was not influenced by Alien at all. This is a very dissimilar movie. Alien did not really focus on the characters. This movie is about a bunch of people that I think you get to see sides of that you don't ordinarily get to see in films."

When we're ignoring basically the entire Fox consultant's canon tiers because it doesn't make any sense (and has shifted because even he can't decide what's canon), I think we can ignore the shoehorn canon thing. That was made with the idea that the inclusions could fit in the same universe, but will never be officially the same. It's more of an opinion. There's no way Fox considered Outland more canon than Predator. Heck, there's no way they considered Blade Runner/Soldier more canon than Predator.

I don't feel comfortable having Outland on this timeline for those reasons, but I'll keep it copied just in case Megatron wants to use it for the expanded timeline.

Also, I've dated Predator versus Wolverine now. I worked it out based on the sliding timeline and the actual canon dates for Wolverine's past. Team X operated in 1961-1968, Wolverine's bone adamantium coating always happens in 1974, Wolverine trained with Muramasa decades ago, so 1980s seems reasonable, and the mid-point of Wolverine wearing brown suit worked out as 2014 using the sliding timeline.

 

[Megatron]

I watched the entire director's commentary of Outland.

"In the future, the whole concept of non-sleek looking, non-romantic looking kind of set in the future, is totally due to Ridley Scott making Alien and Blade Runner. That's the genesis of giving some people like me the courage to say 'oh I think I know what it should look like', and then work within it." - Peter Hyams

That's the only reference to Alien. Again, seems to me more like an aesthetic design choice more than anything. Underwater is similar in this regard, but that actually has in-universe connections so I feel that's understandable (Weyland Corp categorically exists because we can see it in the movie).

This is obviously not a completely reliable source, but here's someone's claim about it when they asked the costume designer for Alien/Outland.
https://www.therpf.com/forums/threa...did-they-live-in-the-same-world.186275/page-2
Some people claim that they read something about them being unoffically linked in Starlog Magazine, but Peter Hyams actually distanced himself from the Alien influence in the actual magazine.

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/outland-alien/

When we're ignoring basically the entire Fox consultant's canon tiers because it doesn't make any sense (and has shifted because even he can't decide what's canon), I think we can ignore the shoehorn canon thing. That was made with the idea that the inclusions could fit in the same universe, but will never be officially the same. It's more of an opinion. There's no way Fox considered Outland more canon than Predator. Heck, there's no way they considered Blade Runner/Soldier more canon than Predator.

I don't feel comfortable having Outland on this timeline for those reasons, but I'll keep it copied just in case Megatron wants to use it for the expanded timeline.

Also, I've dated Predator versus Wolverine now. I worked it out based on the sliding timeline and the actual canon dates for Wolverine's past. Team X operated in 1961-1968, Wolverine's bone adamantium coating always happens in 1974, Wolverine trained with Muramasa decades ago, so 1980s seems reasonable, and the mid-point of Wolverine wearing brown suit worked out as 2014 using the sliding timeline.

thank you! For keeping Outland for helping me.

Could u copy it's timeline in the comments, please?

 

[Pro Bot]

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2024/07/23/first-look-at-alien-earth-set-in-minister-set-visit/

What does an apartment look like on 'Alien'? That basic stuff of the palette of 'Alien,' the design of that ship, that dripping is so specific. I think that the sweaty aesthetic of 'Alien' plays very well into climate change and the hot, wet future that we're all moving toward. Technology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store."

Yes to more retro-futurism!

 

[Pro Bot]

"How long until climate change renders this planet inhabitable. Two generations? One?" (The Predator)

"I believe in life. In fact, I have run more life from our Earth than ever before. But it is dying. You... are dying." (2036: Nexus Dawn)

"What does an apartment look like on 'Alien'? That basic stuff of the palette of 'Alien,' the design of that ship, that dripping is so specific. I think that the sweaty aesthetic of 'Alien' plays very well into climate change and the hot, wet future that we're all moving toward. Technology in the first two movies was rooted in the retro futurism of the '70s and '80s. Is that our aesthetic? Those challenges really excite me because I would much rather deal with computers that look like that than holograms and feel like I'm in an Apple store." (Noah Hadley regarding Alien: Earth)

Consistency, hey? A generation is about 20-30 years, so 2018 + 30 = 2048 + 30 = 2078. The Predator predicted the future.