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[Megatron]

What I meant with the Secret Wars event was that not all universes were affected

If you Mean the 1984 event, but this Is the same Even if we talk about the 2015 too, all the earth were combined into Battleword during the event, but at the end they Returned things to Normal. Even in the 2015 event since they stated that the ultimate universe Is out there. So It really wasn't a reboot in the First Place, you can't compare secret Wars to a Crisis event.

 

[iceman109]

I'm not comparing it to a reboot my point is that not all universes were affected by Secret Wars

 

[Jozaca]

Also if I Remember correctly didn't happened a Crisis of infinite earths in post Crisis, It was Just the original charachters Remembering the Crisis on the post Crisis bodies.

I thought that the crisis happened but with one Earth. Instead of the Antimatter universe trying to destroy the infinite matter universes, it was with the Antimatter Universe trying to destroy the Matter Universe (New Earth). Flash (Wally West) and Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) did even travel to the Crisis. I don't know were I got the info, I just learned it long ago and always thought it was like that.

 

[Megatron]

I'm not comparing it to a reboot my point is that not all universes were affected by Secret Wars

Secret Wars Isn't a reboot Like a Crisis event, Marvel did only One (soft) reboot and It was with Onslought. The Marvel multiverse changed only during the secret Wars event, not After. The multiverse After and before secret Wars Is the same, the only thing Is that the earth-1610 Heroes now lives on earth-616, so again this wasn't a reboot. And don't take ultimate invasion into this, the maker hasn't created a new universe from zero he Just went to the past of earth-1610 and changed things, and all of this Is affecting One timeline, not the multiverse Like Flashpoint. So comparing Marvel's events with DC's Isn't right coz they don't follow the same rules, Even the single universes doesn't work the Same. Marvel doesn't have years when the stories take Place since 1963, While DC has Always years and a Linear timeline. Like you they work in different ways.

 

[Megatron]

I thought that the crisis happened but with one Earth. Instead of the Antimatter universe trying to destroy the infinite matter universes, it was with the Antimatter Universe trying to destroy the Matter Universe (New Earth). Flash (Wally West) and Zoom (Hunter Zolomon) did even travel to the Crisis. I don't know were I got the info, I just learned it long ago and always thought it was like that.

I don't really Remember right now, I should re-read Crisis on infinite earths for having a confirmation, but I Remember at 100% that Crisis on infinite earths #10-12 happens in the 2000s in new earth.

 

[iceman109]

I'm not seeing Secret Wars is or was a reboot I'm saying that not all universes were affected by Secret Wars in 2015

 

[Megatron]

I'm not seeing Secret Wars is or was a reboot I'm saying that not all universes were affected by Secret Wars in 2015

All the earths were effected, the comics can't show all the earths, if One Isn't shown doesn't Mean that Is ok there, Like nothing Is happening. How can the multiverse be in danger of all the multiverse Isn't affected? A Universal threath it's a threath that can affect all the universe, the same applies with the multiverse.

 

[iceman109]

There were only 62 domains in Battleworld though, that's not the entire multiverse though and since your saying that the entire Marvel Multiverse was affected that would include the MCU to.

 

[Megatron]

There were only 62 domains in Battleworld though, that's not the entire multiverse though and since your saying that the entire Marvel Multiverse was affected that would include the MCU to.

if the events of loki seaseon 1 happened before secret wars, yup the MCU was there too, if not then it wasn't there.

 

[iceman109]

What does Loki season 1 have to do with this?

 

[Megatron]

What does Loki season 1 have to do with this?

the MCU was separated from the multiverse, it wasn't until the ending that the MCU was taken back into the multiverse.

 

[Pro Bot]

I'm going to use a Marvel analogy here not all earths were affected by the Battleworld event though

Actually they were. They were just restored afterwards.

 

[iceman109]

How was the MCU separated by the rest of the multiverse if you say that all universes were affected by Secret Wars?

 

[Pro Bot]

He Who Remains "isolated" Earth-199999 from the multiverse and stopped branches from connecting to it, but the multiverse simultaneously is connected to and separate from the MCU due to the TVA being on a different parallel "timeline" so to speak where branches can happen at any time in the timeline while for the MCU they happen chronologically.

Man, does Loki suck.

 

[iceman109]

Why would a universe with no alternate timelines be separated from the rest of the multiverse? It's still part of the multiverse no matter what

 

[Megatron]

How was the MCU separated by the rest of the multiverse if you say that all universes were affected by Secret Wars?

I sayed this before, and you can see reading my previous messages, I sayed if secret wars is set after Loki season 1 earth-199999 was part of battleworlds, if it happens before earth-199999 isn't part of battlewords.

 

[Megatron]

Why would a universe with no alternate timelines be separated from the rest of the multiverse? It's still part of the multiverse no matter what

coz the multiverse war with the other kangs would still happen and if this is the case, why eliminate the braches and creating the TVA if this doesn't work into stopping the multiverse war in the first place?

 

[iceman109]

How would the Kangs of the MCU affect the rest of the multiverse if that version of Kang is exclusive to the MCU and it's branch timelines?

 

[Megatron]

How would the Kangs of the MCU affect the rest of the multiverse if that version of Kang is exclusive to the MCU and it's branch timelines?

The kangs of the MCU????? The war is called the MULTIVERSE war for a reason, the branches are part of the multiverse. There can't be 2 councils of kang (yup, that exist in the comics with the councils of Reed), soooo yup the MCU is set in the marvel multiverse with comics, games and animation, and there is nothing that says the contrary. And don't start to say, "why the MCU can be set in a multiverse with the comics and DC's live action stuff no?" You can actually read my previous messages, and I sayed that Marvel and DC's multiverses doesn't work the same way.

 

[iceman109]

What am saying is that there are multiple Kangs within the MCU Im not talking about the rest of the multiverse I'm not saying the MCU is set in its own multiverse

 

[Megatron]

What am saying is that there are multiple Kangs within the MCU Im not talking about the rest of the multiverse I'm not saying the MCU is set in its own multiverse

Are you talking about MCU as a Franchise or as a Universe? In both cases, we still haven't seen Kang from Earth-199999. He Who Remains and Kang the Conqueror lives in another universes.

Kang exists in the MCU franchise, but we have no idea which universes they come from. In any case, the 2 Kangs we have seen coexist in the same multiverse as those in the comics. The Marvel multiverse is unique, and as mentioned above, no one has said that the MCU has not participated in other comic book events...quite the contrary. In the various Spider-Verse we have references to the Spider-Men of Tom Holland, Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire (all three of whom appeared in both No Way Home and were mentioned and/or shown in Across The SpiderVerse). The talk of different numbering for the individual universes that you were making earlier, however, can be aligned with the Marvel multiverse because, as we see, in MoM Earth-838, it refers to Earth-199999 as Earth-616. However, I go back to saying that everything coexists in one multiverse and that multiversal events almost always affect ALL Marvel universes (leaving out for the SpiderVerse that don't necessarily converge all universes, but HOWEVER the Spider-Man Live Action were mentioned). I conclude this papyrus by saying that the events of the various DC multiverses, do not affect the Marvel universes because precisely, they are different multiverses. This is not only true for the shared universes because they are part of that "Bubble," as seen in the chart above, which makes them vulnerable to both DC and Marvel multiverse events

 

[iceman109]

There's a difference between alternate timelines and alternate universes

 

[ThoughtTie24110]

There's a difference between alternate timelines and alternate universes

The alternate timelines branch off an especific moment/event from a universe, while alternate universes have always been different but can have similarities to other universes without being branches

 

[Pro Bot]

There's a difference between alternate timelines and alternate universes

In Marvel, all alternate timelines are alternate universes but not all alternate universes are alternate timelines.

 

[iceman109]

Why make things complicated with the megaverse? If people were already confused with separate multiverses why make more people confused?

 

[Pro Bot]

It's... actually less confusing, though.

 

[iceman109]

How? What's so hard about telling people there are separate universes but similar?

 

[Pro Bot]

The part where you have multiple identical universes with the exact same material. You're essentially inventing universes at that point when there's no indication that any are separate.

Megaverses aren't even that complex.

 

[iceman109]

You consider Earth 89 and Earth 789 to be separate earths though and they have the same material in their backstories

 

[Megatron]

You consider Earth 89 and Earth 789 to be separate earths though and they have the same material in their backstories

nope, at least not me, if you notice I always refer as them with a /, like this Earth-89/789 coz for me they are the same.