ShadowPrime
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I am pretty sure that Jan started the physical stuff first - either biting Pym, or smacking him ... seem to recall him saying something like "Why do you always start this stuff, when it turns out bad for you" or some such thing. I will go back and check.
But does that matter?
Clearly, those two have a very dark, twisted relationship, of the kind that we do (unfortunately) see in the real world. After Pym beat her, sprayed her with toxic chemicals and set the ants on her, injuring her badly... who is Jan back having flirtatious lunches with, when Cap turns out to be (in her view) a bit of a drag? It seems to me that even in the limited glimpses we have been granted, these two have a LOT of history, and a lot of mutual pathology, and they are just poison together ... but they keep falling back into the same dangerous cycles, patterns, routines.
NONE of which justifies the beatings Jan has received. NONE of it.
I have probably said this before, but... the folks who don't like this incarnation of Cap are, I think, more disturbed by his politics than by the fact that he gave Banner a kick (after Banner, in a selfpitying move of astonishing stupidity, destroyed a lot of Manhattan, killed hundreds of innocents, and did major bodily damage to a number of the Ultimates, none more so than Cap!) or that he took on Pym, in a straight fight, after Pym hospitalized the Wasp (do note that Cap really DEMANDED that Pym "power up" before they fought). Aren't we in the era of the "dark" hero? Isn't that the reason we have a zillion Wolverine comics, that the "dark" Batman is in vogue, etc, etc? I find it hard to believe that the real objection here is Cap landing one kick on Banner and having a fistfight with a wifebeater.
Not that Cap's "politics" are irrelevant - folks have every right not to "like" him because of his views, just as they have the right to "not like" Thor, or Stark, or Fury, or any other character, for their philosophies! But I do think it is more helpful to be direct about the source of the "dislike", and I don't think his treatment of either Banner or Pym is at the core of it...
IMHO... *S*
Shadow
But does that matter?
Clearly, those two have a very dark, twisted relationship, of the kind that we do (unfortunately) see in the real world. After Pym beat her, sprayed her with toxic chemicals and set the ants on her, injuring her badly... who is Jan back having flirtatious lunches with, when Cap turns out to be (in her view) a bit of a drag? It seems to me that even in the limited glimpses we have been granted, these two have a LOT of history, and a lot of mutual pathology, and they are just poison together ... but they keep falling back into the same dangerous cycles, patterns, routines.
NONE of which justifies the beatings Jan has received. NONE of it.
I have probably said this before, but... the folks who don't like this incarnation of Cap are, I think, more disturbed by his politics than by the fact that he gave Banner a kick (after Banner, in a selfpitying move of astonishing stupidity, destroyed a lot of Manhattan, killed hundreds of innocents, and did major bodily damage to a number of the Ultimates, none more so than Cap!) or that he took on Pym, in a straight fight, after Pym hospitalized the Wasp (do note that Cap really DEMANDED that Pym "power up" before they fought). Aren't we in the era of the "dark" hero? Isn't that the reason we have a zillion Wolverine comics, that the "dark" Batman is in vogue, etc, etc? I find it hard to believe that the real objection here is Cap landing one kick on Banner and having a fistfight with a wifebeater.
Not that Cap's "politics" are irrelevant - folks have every right not to "like" him because of his views, just as they have the right to "not like" Thor, or Stark, or Fury, or any other character, for their philosophies! But I do think it is more helpful to be direct about the source of the "dislike", and I don't think his treatment of either Banner or Pym is at the core of it...
IMHO... *S*
Shadow
