Creepy, scrawny girls

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Okay guys, what's going on with marvel here? We're getting too many of these creepy, scrawny, pointless female characters. X-23, Arana, the new Scorpion. what's the point? Anyone? Help me out here guys.
 

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X-23 isn't scrawny. I don't like her, but don't really hate her. She's just meh right now. All she does in Uncanny is go "grrr." Until she is able to form a sentence then I'll start to judge her.
 
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With the exception of X-23, they're all wannabe goths to. I think some marvel bigshot's got an undernourished teenager with a few facial piercings and too much makeup hanging around the artists studios influencing the designs
 

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As opposed to pneumatic, buxom, super chicks of exaggerated proportions?

A lot of girls look like the characters you describe, especially in their early teens, which is where a lot of those characters seem to be. The blonde haired, big boobed corn-fed mid-western sorts you seem to prefer tend not to remain in shape beyond their mid-twenties much. The nearest equivalent involves plastic surgery.

The slim waisted, big breasted "non creepy" variety of comic book women are an adolescent male ideal, and a major "turn off" to a lot of potential female readers. Female readers have a hard enough time justifying comic book reading without ridiculous charicatures.

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Gavin Bennett said:
As opposed to pneumatic, buxom, super chicks of exaggerated proportions?

A lot of girls look like the characters you describe, especially in their early teens, which is where a lot of those characters seem to be. The blonde haired, big boobed corn-fed mid-western sorts you seem to prefer tend not to remain in shape beyond their mid-twenties much. The nearest equivalent involves plastic surgery.

The slim waisted, big breasted "non creepy" variety of comic book women are an adolescent male ideal, and a major "turn off" to a lot of potential female readers. Female readers have a hard enough time justifying comic book reading without ridiculous charicatures.

Gavin
Wow, did you draw alot of conclusions from me thinking these girls are scrawny. I'm not calling for a return to CHAOS comics here either Gavin, but a move twords realism, a middle ground. I don't know any girls that looked like the ones being portrayed there, in either respect.

In addition this thread was more to the point of why id Marvel pushing this physical type in multiple characters right now. Why does every comic female, regaurdless of background, have to fall into the current type being popularized. There area a viarity of male character models that are used when designing new characters. The same should be the same for females.

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EDIT: Aw hell, it cencored ****. What if I want to talk about Nightwing? Then all I've got is **** Grayson.
 

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It's all fashions. When I say Ultimate Black Cat, it just seemed so out of date that she was this huge breasted character wearing next to nothing, it's not very real. I would certainly like to see more 'real' shaped women in the UU.

And there is a trick to getting "D¡ck" to work;)
 

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As a side discussion, why do you guys think that Marvel is creating new, replacement characters instead of trying to make the ones the have work? MKSM has brought us a whole new take on The Scorpion, and then they're doing the same thing in Amazing Fantasy. New Avengers has shown us that if nothing else a Spider-Woman can be intresting, and then there's Spider-Girl, or whatever she's calling herself in Arana.
 

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Gavin Bennett said:
As opposed to pneumatic, buxom, super chicks of exaggerated proportions?

A lot of girls look like the characters you describe, especially in their early teens, which is where a lot of those characters seem to be. The blonde haired, big boobed corn-fed mid-western sorts you seem to prefer tend not to remain in shape beyond their mid-twenties much. The nearest equivalent involves plastic surgery.

The slim waisted, big breasted "non creepy" variety of comic book women are an adolescent male ideal, and a major "turn off" to a lot of potential female readers. Female readers have a hard enough time justifying comic book reading without ridiculous charicatures.

Gavin
What mighty superpowers of extrapolation you have, my dear Gavin. You managed to deduce Baxter's taste in women from but a single 33 word complaint.

It's an overused statement to say comic books are fantasy to justify this, but they are. Yes, to some extent these scrawny little teens are a realistic potrayal of what adolescent youth looks like. And I seriously doubt that the buxom Vampirellas and Lady Deaths of the 90s were meant to be teens anyway. Either way neither comic book "ideal" properly represents the variety of body types available to both teens AND adults.

If anything, Baxter's complaint is rooted less in whether an abundance of scrawny teen girls in the Marvel U is a good thing or not. In fact it doesn't get any simpler than: "Marvel likes making teen girl characters a lot lately? What gives?"

In fact, anyone who thinks that either the Mischa Bartons and Pamela Andersons of the Marvel U are the RIGHT way to represent realistic body image is completely bollocks.

If you wanna look For REAL representations of alternative body image for girls in your comic books, then DUH, look no further than Gertrude Stein from Runaways.
 
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ourchair said:
If you wanna look For REAL representations of alternative body image for girls in your comic books, then DUH, look no further than Gertrude Stein from Runaways.

Well put. :D I love Runaways.
 

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I think my naivity with comics shows here. See, I just want to read well written stories in a sturdy setting that has elements that are extrapolated from real world ideas, and combined with the usual superhero mythos. That's why the Ultimate line initially appealed.

In the age of information, where pictures of scantily clad buxom and otherwise attractive women have never been easier to find. Is it really required that permeate every aspect of visual media? Even the ones that should actually 'take themselves seriously'. Of course I'm not talking about the 616 universe here, I gave up on that some time ago. But it would be so refreshing that a top 10 book, didn't feel the need to pander to lustful urges of the stray 14 year old that pics up a wolverine variant cover by mistake.

Of course the lesser known books and indie racks have women of all shapes and sizes, and men of all shapes and sizes (but men are in all shapes and sizes anyway, we get away with it). But where's the need for additional realism in those books anyway? Most deal with subjects that are far more down to earth as is.

And chair, you really do have quite a flair for British slang for a Filipino :)
 

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Guijllons said:
And chair, you really do have quite a flair for British slang for a Filipino :)
It's the closest thing to cursing without being censored. :D

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Of course the lesser known books and indie racks have women of all shapes and sizes, and men of all shapes and sizes (but men are in all shapes and sizes anyway, we get away with it). But where's the need for additional realism in those books anyway? Most deal with subjects that are far more down to earth as is.
See, In indie books, the creators already spend so much time trying to make the stories so realistic, down to earth and full of quotidian angst that nobody cares how realisitcally proportioned the characters are.

On that note, I firmly believe that ALL superhero comic books should NEVER feature overly fantastic bodies. Dear Marvel, our minds have difficulty suspending our disbelief over superpowers. Please do not tax them more than necessary. Gen 13 already traumatized our disbelief centers.

Guijillons said:
In the age of information, where pictures of scantily clad buxom and otherwise attractive women have never been easier to find. Is it really required that permeate every aspect of visual media?
Clifford Stoll once said, "Why should anyone spend hours downloading grainy pornographic pictures? People ought to be out in the real world having real sex with each other." :wink:

This might just be the Psych major in me, but I think there's some kind of deeply disturbing psychological problem behind a fan of X-Books who decides to pick up a comic for the titillating image of a young, nubile female version of everyone's favorite hairy cigar-chomping claw-toting mutant. Yes, I am suggesting that all male readers of X-23 comics have confused fantasies of Wolverine.
 

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ourchair said:
On that note, I firmly believe that ALL superhero comic books should NEVER feature overly fantastic bodies. Dear Marvel, our minds have difficulty suspending our disbelief over superpowers. Please do not tax them more than necessary. Gen 13 already traumatized our disbelief centers.
Lord yes Gen 13 has scarred many a child.

Clifford Stoll once said, "Why should anyone spend hours downloading grainy pornographic pictures? People ought to be out in the real world having real sex with each other." :wink:
I think we an all agree with that.

This might just be the Psych major in me, but I think there's some kind of deeply disturbing psychological problem behind a fan of X-Books who decides to pick up a comic for the titillating image of a young, nubile female version of everyone's favorite hairy cigar-chomping claw-toting mutant. Yes, I am suggesting that all male readers of X-23 comics have confused fantasies of Wolverine.
And I think we can all agree that "Igh" is the only aceptable responce to that
 

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Guijllons said:
Hehe, you may be quite right, I always did have a slight concern about his claws that can be unsheathed and penetrate anything. :D
One of his former lovers complained that not EVERY "bone" in his body is adamantium hard.
 

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ourchair said:
One of his former lovers complained that not EVERY "bone" in his body is adamantium hard.
At the moment, I don't give a flying petunia about the children, think of ME! I swear this thread started out in an almost wholesome manner.
 

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