DC-CW Timeline (v 3.0)

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TalonCard

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After some reading, I believe Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut is non-canon and that Superman: The Movie: Special Edition is the true version of the film, since Richard Donner is not a fan.
It didn't occur to me at first that Brandon Routh's Superman has that additional legacy connection to the original Reeves movies, so positioning him as the Kingdom Come Superman carries a lot of story weight. I hope they lean into that.

TC
 

Rman

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I'm currently in the middle of a rewatch before Crisis and just finished the 2015-2016 seasons. Just thought I'd point out that it makes more sense if Arrow Season 4 and Legends Season 1 end before The Flash Season 2. With the timeline the way it is now, they happen after Flashpoint which means they would be in the new timeline. However, Genesis and Schism both show baby Sara who would at that point be baby John. Now if Arrow: Genesis-Schism happens-before The Flash: Rupture-The Race of His Life not only would this contradiction be fixed, but it could explain why Oliver doesn't consider having Barry help him with Darhk since Barry would still be without his speed at this point. After finishing all these seasons I believe the timeline should be:

Arrow 4x20, "Genesis"
Arrow 4x21, "Monument Point"
Arrow 4x22, "Lost in the Flood"
Arrow 4x23, "Schism"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x16, "Legendary"
The Flash 2x20, "Rupture"
The Flash 2x21, "The Runaway Dinosaur" [Speed Force]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 39 (Link)
The Flash 2x22, "Invincible"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 40 (Link)
The Flash 2x23, "The Race of His Life" [Earth-2]
The Flash 3x01, "Flashpoint"
 

selfishmisery

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I'm currently in the middle of a rewatch before Crisis and just finished the 2015-2016 seasons. Just thought I'd point out that it makes more sense if Arrow Season 4 and Legends Season 1 end before The Flash Season 2. With the timeline the way it is now, they happen after Flashpoint which means they would be in the new timeline. However, Genesis and Schism both show baby Sara who would at that point be baby John. Now if Arrow: Genesis-Schism happens-before The Flash: Rupture-The Race of His Life not only would this contradiction be fixed, but it could explain why Oliver doesn't consider having Barry help him with Darhk since Barry would still be without his speed at this point. After finishing all these seasons I believe the timeline should be:

Arrow 4x20, "Genesis"
Arrow 4x21, "Monument Point"
Arrow 4x22, "Lost in the Flood"
Arrow 4x23, "Schism"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x16, "Legendary"
The Flash 2x20, "Rupture"
The Flash 2x21, "The Runaway Dinosaur" [Speed Force]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 39 (Link)
The Flash 2x22, "Invincible"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 40 (Link)
The Flash 2x23, "The Race of His Life" [Earth-2]
The Flash 3x01, "Flashpoint"
Noted.
 

selfishmisery

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Moved the final two episodes of Legends of Tomorrow S2 to immediately after 2x15 due to the events that transpire are significant timeline/universal changes.
 

Pro Bot

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Kevin Conroy is playing Bruce Wayne of the future. I sure hope this isn't the DC Animated Universe version, because that's just too messy. I think he'll be playing Kingdom Come Batman (who was confirmed to exist in the singerverse in Superman Returns: Prequel, assuming they connect it).
 
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selfishmisery

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I'd like to look at it this way:
  1. DC Comic Multiverse
  2. DC Live-Action Multiverse
  3. DC Animated Multiverse
  4. DC Video Game Multiverse
None of them likely mesh together.
 

Pro Bot

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Great to see the greatest Batman of all time in live-action, though, as long as it's not literally the same Batman. Nice addition to the current line-up.

I'd like to look at it this way:
  1. DC Comic Multiverse
  2. DC Live-Action Multiverse
  3. DC Animated Multiverse
  4. DC Video Game Multiverse
None of them likely mesh together.
I see it as:
DC Comics Multiverse
most DC Comics
Young Justice
any live-action or animated universe specified as canon

World's of DC Multiverse
DC Extended Universe
Donnerverse
Singerverse
Burtonverse
Nolanverse
Any DC Movie not specified

CW Multiverse
Earth-1
Earth-38
Earth-90
Black Lightning
Singerverse (?)
Batman (1966) (?)
Any crossover in Crisis on Infinite Earths
(Maybe) every DC TV show

DC Animated Multiverse
DC Animated Original Movies
DC Animated Universe
Any DC Animation

BTW I'll get this updated as soon as I can. My working schedule has been really hectic.
It's all good. Priorities, I get it.
 
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Pro Bot

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When asked if this would be a sequel to Superman Returns, Guggenheim said:

“I don’t know if it’s for me to say,” Guggenheim said. “We’re picking up so many years after the events of that movie, maybe a coda is a better word than sequel.”
Sounds like the same version to me, although it won't exactly be a continuation, and more like a "coda".

I wasn't sure what that meant, so I looked it up.

the concluding passage of a piece or movement, typically forming an addition to the basic structure.
"the first movement ends with a fortissimo coda"
  • the concluding section of a dance, especially of a pas de deux or the finale of a ballet in which the dancers parade before the audience.
  • a concluding event, remark, or section.
    "his new novel is a kind of coda to his previous books"
So it sounds like the same version at a later point in his life.
 

Pro Bot

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Batwoman 1x01-1x04 episode titles.
 

Pro Bot

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Simplified Viewing/Reading Order
Legends of Tomorrow 1x01, "Pilot, Part 1"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x02, "Pilot, Part 2"

Adventures of Supergirl #1-5 [Earth-38]
Arrow 4x12, "Unchained"
Arrow 4x13, "Sins of the Father"

Legends of Tomorrow 1x03, "Blood Ties"
Adventures of Supergirl #6-10 [Earth-38]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 26: Bon Voyage! (Link)
The Flash 2x13, "Welcome to Earth-2" [Earth-2]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 27 (Link)
The Flash 2x14, "Escape from Earth-2" [Earth-2]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 28 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 29: Vibe Goggles (Link)
The Flash 2x15, "King Shark"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 30: Land vs. Sea! (Link)

Adventures of Supergirl #11-13 [Earth-38]
Legends of Tomorrow 1x04, "White Knights"
Supergirl 1x10, "Childish Things" [Earth-38]
Legends of Tomorrow 1x05, "Fail-Safe"
Arrow 4x14, "Code of Silence"
Arrow 4x15, "Taken"

Legends of Tomorrow 1x06, "Star City 2146"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 31: Cisco's Central City Sightseeing Tour! (Link)
The Flash 2x16, "Trajectory"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 32: Zoom.Is.Jay. (Link)

Arrow 4x16, "Broken Hearts"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x07, "Marooned"
The Flash 2x17, "Flash Back"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x08, "Night of the Hawk"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x09, "Left Behind"

Arrow 4x17, "Beacon of Hope"
Arrow 4x18, "Eleven-Fifty-Nine"

The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 33: Welcome to Gorilla City! (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 34 (Link)

Arrow 4x19, "Canary Cry"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x10, "Progeny"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x11, "The Magnificent Eight"

The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 35 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 36 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 37 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 38 (Link)
The Flash - Chronicles of Cisco: Entry 0419, Parts 1-4

Supergirl 1x11, "Strange Visitor From Another Planet" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x12, "Bizarro" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x13, "For the Girl Who Has Everything" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x14, "Truth, Justice and the American Way" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x15, "Solitude" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x16, "Falling" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x17, "Manhunter" [Earth-38]

Legends of Tomorrow 1x12, "Last Refuge"
The Flash 2x18, "Versus Zoom"
Supergirl 1x18, "Worlds Finest" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x19, "Myriad" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x20, "Better Angels" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 2x01, "The Adventures of Supergirl" [Earth-38]

Legends of Tomorrow 1x13, "Leviathan"
The Flash 2x19, "Back to Normal"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x14, "River of Time"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x15, "Destiny"

Arrow 4x20, "Genesis"
Arrow 4x21, "Monument Point"
Arrow 4x22, "Lost in the Flood"
Arrow 4x23, "Schism"

Legends of Tomorrow 1x16, "Legendary"

Is actually:
Legends of Tomorrow 1x01, "Pilot, Part 1"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x02, "Pilot, Part 2"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x03, "Blood Ties"

Adventures of Supergirl #1-5 [Earth-38]
Arrow 4x12, "Unchained"
Arrow 4x13, "Sins of the Father"

Adventures of Supergirl #6-10 [Earth-38]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 26: Bon Voyage! (Link)
The Flash 2x13, "Welcome to Earth-2" [Earth-2]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 27 (Link)
The Flash 2x14, "Escape from Earth-2" [Earth-2]
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 28 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 29: Vibe Goggles (Link)
The Flash 2x15, "King Shark"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 30: Land vs. Sea! (Link)

Adventures of Supergirl #11-13 [Earth-38]
Legends of Tomorrow 1x04, "White Knights"
Arrow 4x14, "Code of Silence"
Arrow 4x15, "Taken"

Supergirl 1x10, "Childish Things" [Earth-38]
Legends of Tomorrow 1x05, "Fail-Safe"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x06, "Star City 2146"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x07, "Marooned"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x08, "Night of the Hawk"

The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 31: Cisco's Central City Sightseeing Tour! (Link)
The Flash 2x16, "Trajectory"

The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 32: Zoom.Is.Jay. (Link)
Arrow 4x16, "Broken Hearts"
The Flash 2x17, "Flash Back"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x09, "Left Behind"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x10, "Progeny"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x11, "The Magnificent Eight"

Arrow 4x17, "Beacon of Hope"
Arrow 4x18, "Eleven-Fifty-Nine"

The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 33: Welcome to Gorilla City! (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 34 (Link)

Arrow 4x19, "Canary Cry"
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 35 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 36 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 37 (Link)
The Chronicles of Cisco - Post 38 (Link)
The Flash - Chronicles of Cisco: Entry 0419, Parts 1-4

Supergirl 1x11, "Strange Visitor From Another Planet" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x12, "Bizarro" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x13, "For the Girl Who Has Everything" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x14, "Truth, Justice and the American Way" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x15, "Solitude" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x16, "Falling" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x17, "Manhunter" [Earth-38]

Legends of Tomorrow 1x12, "Last Refuge"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x13, "Leviathan"

Supergirl 1x18, "Worlds Finest" [Earth-38]
The Flash 2x18, "Versus Zoom"
Supergirl 1x19, "Myriad" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 1x20, "Better Angels" [Earth-38]
Supergirl 2x01, "The Adventures of Supergirl" [Earth-38]

The Flash 2x19, "Back to Normal"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x14, "River of Time"
Legends of Tomorrow 1x15, "Destiny"

Arrow 4x20, "Genesis"
Arrow 4x21, "Monument Point"
Arrow 4x22, "Lost in the Flood"
Arrow 4x23, "Schism"

Legends of Tomorrow 1x16, "Legendary"

Edit: Okay, maybe not the Legends episodes, but Arrow 4x14-4x15 are out of place.
 
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Pro Bot

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If you plan to add Superman Returns (depending on how large his role is/how many earths actually get added/cameos are too small), I would ignore the line in Superman: The Movie about when Krypton exploded since it just messes everything up, and say it's just the "vague history" moving it up the timeline. I'd also use the Lester cut on more examination.

1968-1971
????

S Returns Prequel #1

197?
????

S Returns Prequel #2 (flashback)
Superman Returns (flashback)

1968-1998
????

Superman: The Movie: Special Edition
S Returns Prequel #2
(flashbacks)
S Returns Prequel #3 (flashbacks)
S Returns Prequel #4 (flashbacks)

2001
????

Superman II

2006
????

S Returns Prequel #2
S Returns Prequel #3
S Returns Prequel #4


September
S Returns Prequel #2
Superman Returns

The alternative dialogue presented in the comic can be chalked up to flawed memory. If you want, that "vague history" gives you leeway to ignore the first films.
 
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selfishmisery

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I just want to apologize for the long hiatus. (I never sign out so it may list me as "Online", but I'm not frequenting here much lately.)
Been busier than usual, but still trying to find some time to catch up on the whole Arrowverse.

I'm not abandoning this any means and I appreciate all the feedback.
 

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