Arrowverse / DC-CW Timeline (v 3.0)

[TalonCard]

Wouldn't Lucifer be on another Earth, though? I'd much rather see the Constantine rising darkness plot and characters return on Legends, but I could live with Constantine being relagated officially to another Earth if the continuity is weighing them down.

Also, the actor who played Corrigan on Constantine also played Lobo on Krypton?! So they replaced Lobo with Lobo? So confusing...

 

[Rman]

Just finished Arrow 6x20 "Shifting Allegiances" as part of my rewatch and there is a 04/27/18 date signature on the executive order that Diaz wants Quentin Lance to sign. The episode seems to take place over 3 days (04/26/18-04/28/18) and Diaz mentions moving Oliver's trial up to next week which is confirmed as May 3rd (where it's currently placed on the timeline) so it does fit. The only issue I see is the mention of Rene being in the hospital for over a month when at this point, it would have been around 2 months.

 

[Pro Bot]

Wouldn't Lucifer be on another Earth, though?

Of cause. I meant that it represents the magical/religious side of the Arrowverse's extended canon.

 

[selfishmisery]

I'm feeling a better today, after two weeks of sickness. I'll try to get back into this today for sure.

Just finished Arrow 6x20 "Shifting Allegiances" as part of my rewatch and there is a 04/27/18 date signature on the executive order that Diaz wants Quentin Lance to sign. The episode seems to take place over 3 days (04/26/18-04/28/18) and Diaz mentions moving Oliver's trial up to next week which is confirmed as May 3rd (where it's currently placed on the timeline) so it does fit. The only issue I see is the mention of Rene being in the hospital for over a month when at this point, it would have been around 2 months.

Noted. And I remember your other suggestions too.

 

[Pro Bot]

In the new multiverse map, Earth-22, the Kingdom Come universe in the comics, has the text Antimatter signature detected. Bye bye Singerverse.

 

[selfishmisery]

Running behind, had to catch up on lost duties. I'm starting on updating timeline stuff now.

 

[Dok95]

At least to the 3rd episode, at most the 8th episode.

Soo, now we have synopsis for 4th and 5th episodes:

Episode 4: "Who Are You?"
"A new villain with an eye for all things that sparkle drops in on the city. Kate attempts to find a balance between her personal life and her new role as Gotham's guardian. Catherine has an uncomfortable encounter with Alice who always seems to be one step ahead of the Kane family. Batwoman pays fangirl Mary a visit to ask for a favor. Meanwhile, Jacob and Sophie try to piece together who was after their prisoner. Luke continues to finetune Batwoman's arsenal of weapons as the pair track their unwelcome visitor and discover she has more sinister plans than snatching shiny objects."

==> http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20191011cw01/

Episode 5: "Mine Is a Long and Sad Tale"
"Alice takes Kate down the sad, winding road of her life in the days after the accident as Jacob and Sophie attempt to track them. Mary has an argument with Catherine which sends her looking for Kate at Wayne Tower, but instead she becomes unwelcome company for Luke."

==> http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20191017cw01/

Sooo, do we have any clues if one of these episodes (3 to 5) will take place AFTER Elseworlds?
It looks like Kate will have the red wig in Episode 3 ("Down Down Down"), the one that she had in Elseworlds: http://batwomantv.com/batwoman-down-down-down-photos-gabriel-mann-is-tommy-elliot/

Also, photos for Episode 4 ("Who Are You?"): http://batwomantv.com/batwoman-episode-4-photos-who-are-you/

 

[selfishmisery]

Did anyone get the impression that tonight's episode of Batwoman took place concurrently with Elseworlds, Part 1?

 

[Tra]

Did anyone get the impression that tonight's episode of Batwoman took place concurrently with Elseworlds, Part 1? That's a shortcut!

What makes you think that? Did I miss something?

 

[selfishmisery]

What makes you think that? Did I miss something?

Sorry. Someone on a DC Discord group tried to convince me that it was and I finally asked him "Why? How was it concurrent?" and I've haven't gotten a response...It was probably a stretch on his part.

Okay he responded now that I checked. He said it had to do with the shot at the end with Kate Kane standing on Wayne Tower.

 

[Rman]

Just finished Arrow 6x21 "Docket 11-19-41-73" and Felicity mentions that she and Oliver were married on November 28th. The current placement for this is November 29th. This would place Barry and Iris's original wedding as being on the 26th rather than the 27th, which to me works better anyway given that it makes more sense they would marry on a Sunday rather than a Monday.

 

[Rman]

Also in Arrow 6x23 "Life Sentence", we can briefly see the date when Quentin is signing the authorization letter to the FBI, showing the episode's airdate (May 17th).

 

[selfishmisery]

Interesting. Despite being destroyed in Smallville: Season 11, Earth-13 and Earth-37 were somehow still active in recent episodes of The Flash and Arrow.

I guess somehow after 2012 they were restored? IIRC, Earths can be restored through rare means in the comics. Plus, anti-matter had nothing to do with Earth-13 and Earth-37's original destruction. They just crashed into each other. I guess Mar Novu restored them since he seems to be the head honcho of the Monitor race currently.

I would guess if anti-matter destroys an Earth/universe, it cannot be restored by any means.

 

[TalonCard]

I suspect that the Crisis writers just aren't paying particularly close attention to the Season 11 comics, whatever they may have said on Twitter or what have you. But isn't it the case that Smallville's Earth numbering system assumes that the Smallville Earth is Earth 1? So Earth 13 and Earth 37 would have different numbers from Arrow Earth 1 or 3's perspective, probably. Or they weren't taken into account at all in that system, since it only came into use after they were already destroyed.

 

[selfishmisery]

But isn't it the case that Smallville's Earth numbering system assumes that the Smallville Earth is Earth 1?

The Season 11 comics confirmed/clarified that the characters from Smallville's "Earth-1" and "Earth-2" wrongfully assumed those Earth numbers due to their lack of knowledge of the multiverse. Even the Monitors in those comics never called them "Earth-1" or "Earth-2". Their actual numbers are unknown and never said. Officially.

So Earth 13 and Earth 37 would have different numbers from Arrow Earth 1 or 3's perspective, probably. Or they weren't taken into account at all in that system, since it only came into use after they were already destroyed.

Again, Marc Gugginheim has a lot of control over the Arrowverse, and has a massive amount of continuity knowledge. He even acknowledged that he knew that the Kent Farm was kept and no longer for auction in the Season 11 comic's 1st arc; which is why the Kent Farm is returning in the Crisis crossover.

 

[Dok95]

Sorry. Someone on a DC Discord group tried to convince me that it was and I finally asked him "Why? How was it concurrent?" and I've haven't gotten a response...It was probably a stretch on his part.

Okay he responded now that I checked. He said it had to do with the shot at the end with Kate Kane standing on Wayne Tower.

So is it now confirmed that Batwoman 1×04 and following will take place after Elseworlds?

 

[Pro Bot]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/superman-lois-tv-series-works-at-cw-1250479I'd usually be excited by this, but... The Flash, Supergirl, DC's Legends of Tomorrow, Black Lightning (potentially), Batwoman, Green Arrow and the Canaries and Superman & Lois? How is this going to be affordable?

Personally, I'd prefer shorter seasons.

 

[selfishmisery]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/superman-lois-tv-series-works-at-cw-1250479I'd usually be excited by this, but... The Flash, Supergirl, DC's Legends of Tomorrow, Black Lightning (potentially), Batwoman, Green Arrow and the Canaries and Superman & Lois? How is this going to be affordable?

Personally, I'd prefer shorter seasons.

The first four you listed may not make it past 2021.

 

[Pro Bot]

The first four you listed may not make it past 2021.

Ah, I'd probably give them 3 more years minimum myself.

 

[TalonCard]

It's actually cheaper to make a new show than continuing an existing series; as cast costs tend to go up each year. It does make sense for them to get some more spin-offs going as replacements for the older shows.

That being said, though, Supernatural and Smallville both had incredibly long runs on this network, every IP holder is doubling down on content, and superhero shows don't seem to be dwindling in popularity, so who knows. Maybe all these shows can coexist. The TV world is the new comic rack, apparently. All I know for sure is that it'll take me five more years to catch up on these things.

 

[Pro Bot]

It's actually cheaper to make a new show than continuing an existing series; as cast costs tend to go up each year. It does make sense for them to get some more spin-offs going as replacements for the older shows.

Well, as long as existing storylines are completed, I'm not all to bothered by cancellations if we're getting new introductions to other characters. Just have other characters cameo and show up for an episode or two, expanding the universe while providing fan service for loyal viewers, and I'll be fine.

All I know for sure is that it'll take me five more years to catch up on these things.

You can say that again! 3 more Seasons of Smallville left for me.

 

[Dok95]

Did anyone get the impression that tonight's episode of Batwoman took place concurrently with Elseworlds, Part 1?

"Down Down Down" ending vs. "Elseworlds, Part 1" ending

Soo, is the Batwoman timeline like this?

Batwoman 1x01 - 1x03
Elseworlds crossover
Batwoman 1x04 - 1x07/08
Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
Batwoman 1x08/09 - 1x22

?

 

[Pro Bot]

"Down Down Down" ending vs. "Elseworlds, Part 1" ending

Soo, is the Batwoman timeline like this?

Batwoman 1x01 - 1x03
Elseworlds crossover
Batwoman 1x04 - 1x07/08
Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
Batwoman 1x08/09 - 1x22

?

Looks like it.

 

[Dok95]

Looks like it.

Okay thanks, so I'll re-watch the Elseworlds crososver then!

Question: currently I haven't seen Batwoman 1×04 but is there a little time jump between 1×03 and 1×04?

Also, we can now assume that from 1×04, Batwoman met Green Arrow, Flash, Supergirl and now them?

 

[Pro Bot]

Okay thanks, so I'll re-watch the Elseworlds crososver then!

Question: currently I haven't seen Batwoman 1×04 but is there a little time jump between 1×03 and 1×04?

Also, we can now assume that from 1×04, Batwoman met Green Arrow, Flash, Supergirl and now them?

Neither have I.

 

[Dok95]

"Down Down Down" ending vs. "Elseworlds, Part 1" ending

Soo, is the Batwoman timeline like this?

Batwoman 1x01 - 1x03
Elseworlds crossover
Batwoman 1x04 - 1x07/08
Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
Batwoman 1x08/09 - 1x22

?

Caroline Dries says that it's 1×04 that caught up Elseworlds...


So which is the correct order for Elseworlds? Between Batwoman 1×03 and 1×04 (because we saw Batwoman in the exact same position in the roof in both 1×03 and Elseworlds, Part 1) or between Batwoman 1×04 and 1×05 (because Dries said)?

 

[Pro Bot]

Caroline Dries says that it's 1×04 that caught up Elseworlds...


So which is the correct order for Elseworlds? Between Batwoman 1×03 and 1×04 (because we saw Batwoman in the exact same position in the roof in both 1×03 and Elseworlds, Part 1) or between Batwoman 1×04 and 1×05 (because Dries said)?

Must be after 1x04 then.

 

[selfishmisery]

I got a lot of catching up to do tonight, so bare with me.

 

[Dok95]

Must be after 1x04 then.

So

Batwoman 1×01 - 1×04
Elseworlds crossover
Batwoman 1×05 - 1×07 or 1×08
Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
Batwoman 1×08 or 1×09 - 1×22

?

 

[Pro Bot]

So

Batwoman 1×01 - 1×04
Elseworlds crossover
Batwoman 1×05 - 1×07 or 1×08
Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover
Batwoman 1×08 or 1×09 - 1×22

?