Arrowverse / DC-CW Timeline (v 3.0)

[Pro Bot]

https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/BatwomanBatwoman 1x01-1x04 episode titles.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://comicbook.com/2015/07/23/marc-guggenheim-talks-arrow-vixen-agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-and-the-/Vixen takes place around Arrow 3x15-3x16. This would mean Season 2 is moved up as well, since a year passes between the film. As far as I'm aware, there is no problem with where it is, but theres problem with changing it, I think.

 

[iammattie]

Not necessarily timeline related, but a member of the Watchtower Database discord just shared this info

 

[Pro Bot]

If you plan to add Superman Returns (depending on how large his role is/how many earths actually get added/cameos are too small), I would ignore the line in Superman: The Movie about when Krypton exploded since it just messes everything up, and say it's just the "vague history" moving it up the timeline. I'd also use the Lester cut on more examination.

1968-1971
????
S Returns Prequel #1

197?
????
S Returns Prequel #2 (flashback)
Superman Returns (flashback)

1968-1998
????
Superman: The Movie: Special Edition
S Returns Prequel #2 (flashbacks)
S Returns Prequel #3 (flashbacks)
S Returns Prequel #4 (flashbacks)

2001
????
Superman II

2006
????
S Returns Prequel #2
S Returns Prequel #3
S Returns Prequel #4

September
S Returns Prequel #2
Superman Returns

The alternative dialogue presented in the comic can be chalked up to flawed memory. If you want, that "vague history" gives you leeway to ignore the first films.

 

[selfishmisery]

I just want to apologize for the long hiatus. (I never sign out so it may list me as "Online", but I'm not frequenting here much lately.)
Been busier than usual, but still trying to find some time to catch up on the whole Arrowverse.

I'm not abandoning this any means and I appreciate all the feedback.

 

[selfishmisery]

IIRC, only 5 Earths remained at the end of the Crisis comic storyline before they were combined into one.

I highly doubt they'll all combine into one, but perhaps Earth-1 and Earth-38 will merge making it one of the 5 Earths.

But regardless of what direction they go by the end, imagine if they destroyed, for example, Smallville's Earth or the Christopher Nolan Batman Earth in Crisis. Would DC really do anything like with one of their more important live-action properties?

 

[Pro Bot]

IIRC, only 5 Earths remained at the end of the Crisis comic storyline before they were combined into one.

I highly doubt they'll all combine into one, but perhaps Earth-1 and Earth-38 will merge making it one of the 5 Earths.

But regardless of what direction they go by the end, imagine if they destroyed, for example, Smallville's Earth or the Christopher Nolan Batman Earth in Crisis. Would DC really do anything like with one of their more important live-action properties?

Separate multiverses or it hasn't occurred yet in say the DCEU.

 

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All-Star Team Up is definitely after Suicidal Tendencies, but I'm going through it now and it looks to be after The Fallen since each episode of Arrow between 3x17-3x20 picks up immediately after the last. Will get back after viewing in this order.

Edit: in Arrow 3x19, it seems Ray and Cisco know each other. I guess the solution is to place All Star Team Up as occurring in the same day as Suicidal Tendencies but during daytime between the main events and the last couple minutes.

Edit: Felicity said to Barry that Oliver may be joining the League of Assassins dispite firmly saying no, assuring Felicity that she was right. It would work great after 3x20 if not for 3x19 screwing it up, unless that scene takes place a day/days after the episode, which seems like a stretch.

Edit: forget that, Felicity and Ray break up in 3x20. It must take place during Suicidal Tendencies, but after the main events.

 

[selfishmisery]

https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/19/tom-welling-smallville-crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrowverse/

Smallville is definitely going to be in the same multiverse.

"But seflishmisery, didn't Smallville exist on it's own Earth-1 and introduced a totally different Earth-2?"

The Season 11 tie-in comics for Smallville confirmed in-story that those Earth numbers are false assumptions based on the characters' lack of knowledge of the Multiverse. Their actual numbers are unknown as of right now.

"But Smallville's Earth-13 and Earth-37 are destroyed in the Season 11 comics, whereas in the Arrowverse-"

-they were only mentioned in Cisco's tumblr posts. (The multiverse dating one and the Wizard Harrison Wells ones in particular.) I guess those aren't canon now.

Ooof. Just needed to get that out there.

But as for the Smallville crossover, HELL YES!!

 

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https://ew.com/tv/2019/09/19/tom-welling-smallville-crisis-on-infinite-earths-arrowverse/

Smallville is definitely going to be in the same multiverse.

"But seflishmisery, didn't Smallville exist on it's own Earth-1 and introduced a totally different Earth-2?"

The Season 11 tie-in comics for Smallville confirmed in-story that those Earth numbers are false assumptions based on the characters' lack of knowledge of the Multiverse. Their actual numbers are unknown as of right now.

"But Smallville's Earth-13 and Earth-37 are destroyed in the Season 11 comics, whereas in the Arrowverse-"

-they were only mentioned in Cisco's tumblr posts. (The multiverse dating one and the Wizard Harrison Wells ones in particular.) I guess those aren't canon now.

Ooof. Just needed to get that out there.

But as for the Smallville crossover, HELL YES!!

If they had Gotham involved it'll be awhile till I sleep again...

Any more surprises, DC/CW/WB?

Batman (?)
Legends of the Superheroes (?)
The Flash
Smallville
Arrow
The Flash
Constantine
Supergirl
DC's Legends of Tomorrow
Black Lightning
Batwoman

Batman: The Movie (?)
Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders (?)
Batman vs. Two-Face (?)
Superman: The Movie: Special Edition
Superman II
Superman Returns
Vixen: The Movie
Freedom Fighters: The Ray

Oh boy, this crossover is huge!

 

[TalonCard]

Aaaaaaaand just like that my Crisis prep is another 10 seasons behind schedule.

 

[Pro Bot]

Aaaaaaaand just like that my Crisis prep is another 10 seasons behind schedule.

Same. Guess I'll finish my current season and just jump back to Smallville (canon Legends cartoons included).

 

[TalonCard]

Welling is huge, of course, but it'd be a shame if we didn't see the Smallville Green Arrow too--that was my introduction to the character.

 

[Pro Bot]

Welling is huge, of course, but it'd be a shame if we didn't see the Smallville Green Arrow too--that was my introduction to the character.

If not, I guess we can just say he went to Earth-90 and got slaughtered. Remember that "cameo"?

Kidding!

 

[selfishmisery]

If we got Justin Hartley back, assuming he's not too busy, I'd much rather him reprise his role as Aquaman from the unaired Mercy Reef pilot (which WB made available for purchase on YouTube.)

He could even be our Earth-1 Aquaman retroactively, since Mercy Reef was in no way connected to Smallville.

 

[TalonCard]

Haha, I'd forgotten about Mercy Reef! That'd work for either Earth-1 or Earth-38, right? I say bring him back and have him play both roles.

Watched the first episode of Smallville today--I had forgotten until about five minutes in that I'd never actually seen it. I must have come in on episode 2 or 3. That show packs quite a nostalgic wallop--seeing the characters come back is going to be even better than I realized.

Because I'd never seen it, I also never knew that almost the first shot is Lionel Luther holding a newspaper with the headline "Queen CEO Goes Missing". They were setting Green Arrow up from day 1....

 

[Pro Bot]

Because I'd never seen it, I also never knew that almost the first shot is Lionel Luther holding a newspaper with the headline "Queen CEO Goes Missing". They were setting Green Arrow up from day 1....

They actually tie-in to that in the Green Arrow prequel mini series to Smallville. Nice that it payed off, also cool how Clark and Oliver's timelines align.

Only the first 3 episodes are canon though because of a flashback that can't be reconciled.

 

[TalonCard]

Thanks! Wow, that animation is rough even by 2007 standards.

 

[Pro Bot]

Krypton was almost in the multiverse.

 

[TalonCard]

Still not too late for some kind of reference--seems like they're open to anything. If they have some kind of hypertime-tunnel with clips from all the shows/movies, we'll be watching DC stuff till the end of time, lol.

 

[selfishmisery]

Krypton was almost in the multiverse.

"Couldn't make the dates work"

That could have some double meaning. The show taking place 200 or so years in the past would require time travel AND universe hopping, which would make for messy storytelling to explain.

 

[TalonCard]

I see that Birds of Prey has been added to Crisis, after years of teased DC show connections (I recall a reference to New Gotham on the Smallville Ledger site back in the day, and I think some footage even ended up in an Arrowverse promo video, of all things.) I held off on watching it back then to see if it ever crossed over with Smallville (in hindsight, this wouldn't have worked too well with either continuity) so I guess now's the time, lol. Think I'll go ahead and throw it in with Smallville Season 2 in the rewatch.

 

[Pro Bot]

I see that Birds of Prey has been added to Crisis, after years of teased DC show connections (I recall a reference to New Gotham on the Smallville Ledger site back in the day, and I think some footage even ended up in an Arrowverse promo video, of all things.) I held off on watching it back then to see if it ever crossed over with Smallville (in hind site, this wouldn't have worked too well with either continuity) so I guess now's the time, lol. Think I'll go ahead and throw it in with Smallville Season 2 in the rewatch.

Theres a reference to meteors causing meta humans in the pilot, strangely. Pahaps it was intended to take place in the future of the Smallville universe, where the Justice League was established. I guess Season 11 makes that impossible now.

In any case, I'm going with this as a viewing order.
Smallville Legends: Kara and the Chronicles of Krypton 1x01-1x06
Smallville Legends: The Oliver Queen Chronicles 1x01: Broken Arrow
The Flash 1x01-1x02
The Flash 1x04
The Flash 1x03
The Flash 1x06
The Flash 1x05
The Flash 1x07-1x11
The Flash 1x13
The Flash 1x12-1x22
Smallville Legends: The Oliver Queen Chronicles 1x02-1x03
Superman: The Movie: Special Edition
Superman II
Smallville 1x01-1x21
Smallville 2x01-2x06
Smallville: Chloe Chronicles Intro-1x04
Smallville 2x07-2x21
Smallville: Chloe Chronicles - Volume II 1x01-1x07
Smallville 2x22-2x23
Birds of Prey 1x01-1x13
Smallville 3x01-3x22
Smallville 4x01-4x22
Smallville 5x01-5x15
Smallville's Vengeance Chronicles 1x01-1x05
Smallville 5x16-5x22
Smallville 6x01-6x02
Superman Returns
Smallville 6x03-6x16
Smallville Legends: Justice & Doom, Part 1
Smallville 6x17-6x18
Smallville Legends: Justice & Doom, Part 2-3
Smallville 6x19-6x21
Smallville Legends: Justice & Doom, Part 4
Smallville 6x22
Smallville Legends: Justice & Doom, Part 5
Smallville 7x01-7x20
Smallville 8x01-8x22
Smallville 9x01-9x21
Smallville 10x01-10x22


I hear the Donner theme already.


Quite nostalgic.

 

[Pro Bot]

That's the most beautiful and perfect Superman suit I've ever seen. I can't believe he's back.

 

[Pro Bot]

My head is spinning with all these previous shows and movies being added to the Arrowverse multiverse through COIE. Should I hold off on doing a watch of the entire Arrowverse until Crisis has aired? I wanted to start next week with the season premieres beginning soon, but everything is such a muddle right now I'm afraid of forgetting something.

Probably should wait. Depends on how much of a completionist you are.

I guess The Flash, Superman Returns, Smallville and Birds of Prey are the only confirmed additions, with Batman (1966) being a likely inclusion.

I was on Year 4 of the Arrowverse when Smallville was added, now I have to catch up on that show and Birds of Prey until I can continue from where I left off.

 

[selfishmisery]

When do the new seasons start? I gotta set a goal to get caught up.

 

[Pro Bot]

October 6
Batwoman
Supergirl

October 7
Black Lightning (Arrow-adjacent)

October 8
The Flash

October 15
Arrow

January 28
DC's Legends of Tomorrow

 

[selfishmisery]

Okay, I have a little over a week. Bare with me while I get busy.

 

[Pro Bot]

Episode titles:
https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Batwoman

 

[selfishmisery]

First thing in the morning, I'll get to going through the episodes.