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The Three / Kindly Ones / Furies refered to Lyta as their "granddaughter". That is vague, but HUGE.

The pantheon of Greek Gods, not just Zeus, alll hold parentage to the one, Diana Prince.

Lyta even looks like Gal Gadot. So if we are to take Sandman as DCEU-adjacent in anyway, we just don't see superheroes at all cross paths, then technically Sandman works as a last remnant of the DCEU - along with the Peacemaker Presents comics.
 
@Pro Bot I got a headcanon to share…

Post-Flashpoint, Titans (Earth-9) and Swamp Thing (Earth-19) merged with Earth-1.

Titans already had a deep connection to Swamp Thing in season 4, had a lot of the DCEU aesthetics from the Wayne family symbol of hunters & gatherers to the costumes.
By merging with the DCEU, the JL are formed in the early-2000s, Bruce is born earlier (Batfleck and Iain Glenn 'merge' to become Clooney) and films like Man of Steel are significantly altered with the pre-existence of the League while some films like BvS and JL are completely erased. Among other things. (Steppenwolf still dies as his death occurred outside of the Orrey of Worlds on Apokolips, Darkseid still preparing the 'old ways'.)

And if the DCEU is still Earth-1, then the DCU is Earth-2 - that continuity having merged with Stargirl, Doom Patrol and 'plucked' elements formerly part of Earth-1 like The Suicide Squad.
 
I thought about it. Both gravestones' "2023" dates seen in Sandman season 2 collapse the timeline if I took them seriously.
The timestamps that show the year, especially if the ones for historical years via flashbacks are to be taken as objective, overrule some crappy gravestones.

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Supposedly the upcoming Death bonus episode that will book end the whole Sandman series (and this TV streaming era of DC) will resolve the cliffhanger from Dead Boy Detectives somehow so...it would have to be set at some point after that series.

And if Death says Dream died "days ago"....I'mma be mad as hell.
They briefly considered having Robert Pattinson's Batman at Dream's funeral. That would have been... uh... something. [The Sandman spoilers]

In fairness, pretty comic accurate.
 
I thought about it. Both gravestones' "2023" dates seen in Sandman season 2 collapse the timeline if I took them seriously.
The timestamps that show the year, especially if the ones for historical years via flashbacks are to be taken as objective, overrule some crappy gravestones.

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I mean, gravestones are in-universe. I think some on-screen out-of-universe years can be retconned like Spider-Man: Homecoming.

I don't know, I'd have to see the S1 dates in question. I'm personally fine with accepting every on-screen date except present day if there's other evidence... but it also depends on visibility. I also just assumed S2 was supposed to be set after Dead Boy Detectives honestly. You could be right though, I don't know.
 
They briefly considered having Robert Pattinson's Batman at Dream's funeral. That would have been... uh... something. [The Sandman spoilers]

In fairness, pretty comic accurate.
No. I think that would have been a bad idea committing to something like that.
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I mean, gravestones are in-universe. I think some on-screen out-of-universe years can be retconned like Spider-Man: Homecoming.

I don't know, I'd have to see the S1 dates in question. I'm personally fine with accepting every on-screen date except present day if there's other evidence... but it also depends on visibility. I also just assumed S2 was supposed to be set after Dead Boy Detectives honestly. You could be right though, I don't know.
Robert Queen's birth year on his gravestone in Arrow, among other gravestone dates, created continuity errors for the Arrowverse btw. For DC, gravestone errors have occurred more often than not.
 


Step 1: Return to Hell and remerge with his dark half ("Lucifer Rofocale" aka The First of the Fallen)
Step 2: Get all cozy and sweet with the Lords of Hell, while manipulating your dark half into feeling the sympathy you had while on Earth
Step 3: When the time is right, leave your dark half behind as an emotional mess and have them kick everyone out and quit themselves
Step 4: Secretly provide therapy for souls returned to Hell by Death for however long that lasts



I still hold onto this headcanon by the end. Plus Mazikeen being split off from her demon form by Constantine (alluded to in Crisis) means there's one version of her that is stuck in Hell.

There's still the Remiel issue and "the Creator" issue. I guess it's a new Remiel created by God!Amenadiel, since there's nothing that says new angels can't be created. We saw that with Chas in the Constantine film, he took the place of Gabriel for a time.

The Fates...well, The Three in Sandman are the prime versions of The Fates who, as we saw in Legends of Tomorrow, are independent aspects. Maybe they split off from their prime counterparts, and once two lost their immortality and one died then The Three retained the "duties" the Fates once had.

That's super complicated...but DC's god pantheon lore tends to be and there's already enough of it by this point to make this work within the rules given.
 
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You know, having the plan to watch the Arrowverse entirely soonish, it's kinda disappointing that Superman & Lois isn't the same universe. Damn, I wish we could have got that Batwoman crossover.

I still like to think of it as either a branched timeline to Earth-Prime (with Gotham Knights) or Post-Crisis Earth-38. Using the same actors but not the same characters is weird to me. Renee Montoya in Gotham and Batwoman, for example, feels like the same character, as do the Arrowverse and Superman & Lois characters.
 
You know, having the plan to watch the Arrowverse entirely soonish, it's kinda disappointing that Superman & Lois isn't the same universe. Damn, I wish we could have got that Batwoman crossover.

I still like to think of it as either a branched timeline to Earth-Prime or Post-Crisis Earth-38.
I think, in theory, there was a complicated number of factors I think lead to that Earth/timeline being created. None of this is confirmed btw.

Brainiac 5's doppelgänger's saved Pre-Crisis Earth (unknown number) from Supergirl's "Bottle Episode" ---> The timeline shifts of Brainiac taking baby Jor-El to said pre-Crisis Earth in an attempt to create a Kryptonian army ---> a combination of turning Jor-El into Tal-Rho to influence black suit Superman's shift to evil in 2019 pre-Crisis, thus preventing it from being "saved" from Crisis' anti-matter wave, AND the multiverse shifting of DCEU's Flashpoint (September 22, 2022) caused a imperfect split of an Earth that once co-existed in both multiverses, merged with elements of Earth-Prime plus creating Inverse World in this...honestly Hypertimeline that hasn't been given a Earth number yet.

Also: Superman wasn't permanently removed from Earth-Prime UNTIL DCEU's Flashpoint IMO, as Seg-El and Lobo's attempts to track down Jor-El implicitly might have kept Kal-El's existence in a constant flux in the Earth-Prime timeline. Until it became unavoidable in September 2022.
Since that became permanent, Brainiac won. His role in removing Superman from Earth-Prime history, now had lived out his own life on Earth-?? with a dead Batman (via Gotham Knights) and no other protectors, plus Brainiac's abduction of Jor-El became fixed into this new post-Flashpoint Earth as "Tal-Rho" and Brainiac's role in that became "Zeta-Rho".

TL;DR blame DCEU Flash for that, indirectly.
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I think, in theory, there was a complicated number of factors I think lead to that Earth/timeline being created. None of this confirmed btw.

Brainiac 5's doppelgänger's saved Pre-Crisis Earth (unknown number) from Supergirl's "Bottle Episode" ---> The timeline shifts of Brainiac taking baby Jor-El to said pre-Crisis Earth in an attempt to create a Kryptonian army ---> a combination of turning Jor-El into Tal-Rho to influence black suit Superman's shift to evil in 2019 pre-Crisis, thus preventing it being "saved" from Crisis' anti-matter wave, AND the multiverse shifting of DCEU's Flashpoint (September 22, 2022) caused a imperfect split of an Earth that once co-existed in both multiverses, merged with elements of Earth-Prime plus creating Inverse World in this...honestly Hypertimeline that hasn't been given a Earth number yet.

Also: Superman wasn't permanently removed from Earth-Prime UNTIL DCEU's Flashpoint IMO, as Seg-El and Lobo's attempts to track down Jor-El implicitly might have kept Kal-El's existence in a constant flux in the Earth-Prime timeline. Until it became unavoidable in September 2022.
Since that became permanent, Brainiac won. His role in removing Superman from Earth-Prime history, now had lived out his own life on Earth-?? with a dead Batman (via Gotham Knights) and no other protectors, plus Brainiac's abduction of Jor-El became fixed into this new post-Flashpoint Earth as "Zeta-Rho".

TL;DR blame DCEU Flash for that, indirectly.
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The said timeline flux probably is what shifted Superman from Earth-Prime to post-Crisis Earth-33 in Naomi's pilot episode, during a fight with Galactic Golem.

Headcanon, not fact obviously.
 
I think, in theory, there was a complicated number of factors I think lead to that Earth/timeline being created. None of this confirmed btw.

Brainiac 5's doppelgänger's saved Pre-Crisis Earth (unknown number) from Supergirl's "Bottle Episode" ---> The timeline shifts of Brainiac taking baby Jor-El to said pre-Crisis Earth in an attempt to create a Kryptonian army ---> a combination of turning Jor-El into Tal-Rho to influence black suit Superman's shift to evil in 2019 pre-Crisis, thus preventing it being "saved" from Crisis' anti-matter wave, AND the multiverse shifting of DCEU's Flashpoint (September 22, 2022) caused a imperfect split of an Earth that once co-existed in both multiverses, merged with elements of Earth-Prime plus creating Inverse World in this...honestly Hypertimeline that hasn't been given a Earth number yet.

Also: Superman wasn't permanently removed from Earth-Prime UNTIL DCEU's Flashpoint IMO, as Seg-El and Lobo's attempts to track down Jor-El implicitly might have kept Kal-El's existence in a constant flux in the Earth-Prime timeline. Until it became unavoidable in September 2022.
Since that became permanent, Brainiac won. His role in removing Superman from Earth-Prime history, now had lived out his own life on Earth-?? with a dead Batman (via Gotham Knights) and no other protectors, plus Brainiac's abduction of Jor-El became fixed into this new post-Flashpoint Earth as "Zeta-Rho".

TL;DR blame DCEU Flash for that, indirectly.
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So, in this thought process, the Earth-Prime comic is the potential future where Superman continues to exist on Earth-Prime in 2049?

Also, I noticed Barbara Kean appears in Batwoman 3x01 in the same episode as Renee Montoya did. Barbara Kean doesn't exist in the comics under that name except for a single issue that came out in 1981. Do you think perhaps that was a subtle hint that Gotham and Pennyworth might have been part of the Earth-Prime merger? Unofficially, of course. They could have been Earth-38 with Crisis softening minor issues regarding the two Ra's al Ghuls and Nyssas.
 
You know, having the plan to watch the Arrowverse entirely soonish, it's kinda disappointing that Superman & Lois isn't the same universe. Damn, I wish we could have got that Batwoman crossover.

I still like to think of it as either a branched timeline to Earth-Prime (with Gotham Knights) or Post-Crisis Earth-38. Using the same actors but not the same characters is weird to me. Renee Montoya in Gotham and Batwoman, for example, feels like the same character, as do the Arrowverse and Superman & Lois characters.
IMO Gotham was set on the same Earth as Supergirl, pre-Crisis Earth-38.

Ignore the tonal clash, because Pennyworth IMO is exclusively Earth-Prime. The Pennyworth comic is Earth-38. These are ambiguious puzzle pieces of *versions* of Batman history.

Samantha Wayne = Ecco
Julia Pennyworth, daughter of Sandra Onslow, also looks damn good for late-40s.
Lucius Fox's birthyear on his tombstone was wrong. I think 1945 fits better.
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So, in this thought process, the Earth-Prime comic is the potential future where Superman continues to exist on Earth-Prime in 2049?

Also, I noticed Barbara Kean appears in Batwoman 3x01 in the same episode as Renee Montoya did. Barbara Kean doesn't exist in the comics under that name except for a single issue that came out in 1981. Do you think perhaps that was a subtle hint that Gotham and Pennyworth might have been part of the Earth-Prime merger? Unofficially, of course. They could have been Earth-38 with Crisis softening minor issues regarding the two Ra's al Ghuls and Nyssas.
I have this stuff mapped out lol.
1.) Gotham's Ra's = Al-Fatih (the first Ra's)
2.) Gotham's Nyssa = Athena of the Thantos Guild in Arrow
3.) Arrow's Cyrus Gold = Sonny Gilzean
4.) Batwoman's Executioner only existed on Earth-1, only as a bit of history that had changed offscreen as I think Barnes' version was who replaced the Earth-1 Executioner's role on Earth-Prime. And was still shot dead by Jacob Kane.
5.) Nora Fries dead on Earth-38, alive on Earth-1 and ultimately Earth-Prime.
6.) Renee never had a position in the GCPD until her late-30s on Earth-Prime, instead of early-20s like on Earth-38.
7.) Pamely "Ivy" Isley was only "Ivy Pepper" on Earth-38. But on Earth-Prime, Mario Pepper never married her mother thus giving Pamela/Ivy a more decent childhood without that bastard in her life.
8.) Riddler and Lee Thompkins never broke up on Earth-Prime and conceived Evelyn Rhyme. Poor Jim Gordon got stuck with Barbara Kean as well.
9.) Minor tidbits: Pyg's metal plates saved him from Sofia's bullet, the Mario Falcone of the Black Glove Soceity is the son of Sofia (named after her late-brother) after she awoke from her coma and retired from crime, and Magpie in Gotham did not die in Earth-Prime's timeline and her daughter (in Batwoman) received the mental illness.
 
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And Hugo Strange, imo, was Mary Hamilton's biological dad and who manipulated her mom into making a deal with Safiyah for Desert Rose to extend his lifespan…Until his ex-wife (Mary's mom) hired Joker (Jerome clone or Jeremiah, you be the judge) to kill and spill Hugo's guts all over a map he made of Coryana to hide the evidence.

An element of Earth-Prime that got shifted in S&L/GK's Earth was Bruce's clone not bleeding out in some ditch somewhere and instead becoming Lincoln March in this split timeline.
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Ignore the tonal clash, because Pennyworth IMO is exclusively Earth-Prime. The Pennyworth comic is Earth-38. These are ambiguious puzzle pieces of *versions* of Batman history.
Well, fuck. That's a bit confusing having the comic and show be in different Earths, along with said prequel show being set in Earth-Prime fully. I guess it works out though.
Samantha Wayne = Ecco
Julia Pennyworth also looks damn good for late-40s.
Lucius Fox's birthyear on his tombstone was wrong. I think 1945 fits better.
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Assuming they're the same Lucius Fox.

I have this stuff mapped out lol.
1.) Gotham's Ra's = Al-Fatih (the first Ra's)
2.) Gotham's Nyssa = Athena of the Thantos Guild in Arrow
3.) Arrow's Cyrus Gold = Sonny Gilzean
4.) Batwoman's Executioner only existed on Earth-1, only as a bit of history that can changed offscreen as I think Barnes' version was who replaced the Earth-1 Executioner's role on Earth-Prime. And was still shot dead by Jacob Kane.
Possible, but there could also just be two Executioners if need be.

5.) Nora Fries dead on Earth-38, alive on Earth-1 and ultimately Earth-Prime.

6.) Renee never had a position in the GCPD until her late-30s on Earth-Prime, instead of early-20s like on Earth-38.
7.) Pamely "Ivy" Isley was only "Ivy Pepper" on Earth-38. But on Earth-Prime, Mario Pepper never married her mother thus giving Pamela/Ivy a more decent childhood without that bastard in her life.
8.) Riddler and Lee Thompkins never broke up on Earth-Prime and conceived Evelyn Rhyme. Poor Jim Gordon got stuck with Barbara Kean as well.
9.) Minor tidbits: Pyg's metal plates saved him from Sofia's bullet, the Mario Falcone of the Black Glove Soceity is the son of Sofia (named after her late-brother) after she awoke from her coma and retired from crime, and Magpie in Gotham did not die in Earth-Prime's timeline and her daughter (in Batwoman) received the mental illness.
Makes sense. All the issues are reasonably softened out.
 

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