Frogwares Shared Universe - Timeline

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UPDATE #1: SEASON 3 IS FINISHED.

 

[Jozaca]

So both "The Awakened" and "The Awakened: Remake" fit into the same universe?

 

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So both "The Awakened" and "The Awakened: Remake" fit into the same universe?

IDK at the moment since I don't have the Remake. I will add both of them for now, since they are set in 2 different points in time. One in 1882 and the other in 1894. I will eventually check the remake and see what I can do.

 

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Fellow Sherlock Holmes Gamers, we finally reached Sherlock Holmes versus Jack the Ripper.

 

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Okay saying this, since I know that someone will point this out. I know that there are references to other cases from the novels and short stories that shouldn't be there. Before you say that maybe they happen in a different timeframe than the Doyle Canon, in Crimes & Punshment game the first case, which is an adaptation of a short story, has a canonical date of may 1895. But even then when you start the level, the Herpoon is present during the case. So you should ignore the references to cases that didn't happen yet, in the sherlock holmes games.

 

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So I know it's too early, but leaving it here, since I like to be one step ahed. The timeline presented In the Video game "Sherlock Holmes: The Devil's Daughter" doesn't literally make sense. All the documents and the references on screen set the game as happening in 1895. But this can't be true why? Well:

1. Sherlock Holmes and John Watson have their 1900-1903 designs.
2. Dracula is a book published in 1898.
3. Kathelyn Holmes [Moriarty] was saved by holmes when she was about 1-2 years old in September 1898, but now seems to be at least 4-6 years old.
4. The Underground Electric Railways Company of London was a real company founded in 1903.

So since in canon Sherlock retired in 1903. I thought about having this game being his last case, since his adoptive daughter is in danger and after saving her I think he would want to stay away from the criminal underground. Another point is that the game start in November and in canon he retires in the fall 1903, so it makes sense for him to retire at the end of the game in November or December 1903.

So I would say the game start in November 1903. Ending possibly in December 1903.

Do you guys agree? Or do you think there is another way to place this game?

 

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Guys playing through vs jack the ripper in these Days, and you can See how Moriarty Is Dangerous cos he Is referred as a Devil, While jack the ripper as a coward....by Watson.

 

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UPDATE #2: SEASON 4 IS FINISHED.

 

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Finished Jack the Ripper, and I want to tell you guys this, since I Know someone will bring this up. Ate the end of the case Sherlock asks Watson to write a novel to make the people of Whitechappel forget the Ripper murderers, referencing "The Hound of the Barskevilles". This doesn't make sense. The main events of the novel are set in 1889 and not in 1888 during the ripper murderers. Even so, the year the Sherlock Holmes Novels, Short Stories and Video Games [For the Video Games I will explain better when we will arrive to 1898 with "The Testament of Sherlock Holmes", for the moment just trust me] are canon in universe. For example the novel "A Study in Scarlett" was published in 1887 IRL, This is proven right as in the novel "The Sign of Four" Sherloch references the publishing of the novel as being very recently and is also supported by the fact that Sherlock isn't famous in every story set between 1881 to 1886. So returning on the point, "The Hound of the Barskevilles was published in 1901 IRL. So it's impossible that the publication of this book made the people of whitechappel forget Jack the Ripper. So even if the stry is referenced at the end of the game, we have to assume that Watson will write another novel that isn't the stroy that will be the main events of our season 5.

 

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Also frogwares made a video game that adapted the novel.

 

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Updates for the Road to 1891 [Who knows Knows, (Swizzerland!)] = 3 years.

 

[Jozaca]

Also frogwares made a video game that adapted the novel.

How are you going to deal with that? Are you just going to ignore the game adaptation?

 

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How are you going to deal with that? Are you just going to ignore the game adaptation?

Treat It Like I'm doing in the Assassin's Creed timeline with the novels.


First going to learn how the game works of It Is devided into chapters then First you Read some novel chapters then you play some game chapters until they both end.

 

[Jozaca]

The title of the tread misses an s in Frogwares
Also you wrote Awekened instead of Awakened
and the last date says Marh instead of March

 

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The title of the tread misses an s in Frogwares
Also you wrote Awekened instead of Awakened
and the last date says Marh instead of March

I hate when those things happens. My bad, anyway thanks again mr. Jozaca.

 

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now should be all spelled right.

 

[Jozaca]

now should be all spelled right.

The viewing order one is right, but the Awakened in the timeline is still expelled wrong

 

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thanks again mr. Jozaca.

 

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okay, I started playing The Hound of the Baskervilles, and Reading the Novel at the same time, and are 2 COLPLETELY Different stories, even the time where they are set. The Novel is set in 1889, the game is set 165 after the death of Hugo Baskervilles, so 1742 + 165 = 1907. Okay is after Holmes retires, but it could still fit, there are some short stories set in this year, and he is against the supernatural, not the criminals, so it's coherent with Sherlock Holmes' lore and the devil's daughter game. The only thing you have to ignore are Henry Baskervilles meeting sherlock and watson for the first time, again and members of the Bakervilles with inccorrect times of death, so, trying to solve this:

Henry is the son of Henry, if you go on the Baskervilles family tree on the wiki, there are like 3 Rodges. For the incorrect dates of date we can say that are different Baskervilles with the same name, which is a CANONICAL THING in the novel (Seems like Arthur Conan Doyle didn't want to give 30 charcters 30 different names, well, who can blame him, poor guy.)

 

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also, they did a reference to Vs. Jack the Ripper.

 

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Okay, I finished the game and the villain Is 100% Supernatural, so It can fit.

 

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UPDATE #3: SEASON 5 IS FINISHED.

 

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UPDATE #4 = SEASON 06 IS FINISHED

UPDATE #5 = SEASON 07 IS FINISHED

ANNOUNCEMENT = IN THE ORDER SECTION I DECIDED TO MAKE AN ESSENTIAL ORDER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO READ OR PLAY EVERY SHERLOCK HOLMES GAME, NOVEL OR SHORT STORY, SO IF SOME OF YOU FELLOW HOLMES FANS, KNOW SOME STORY I SHOULD HAD IN THE ESSENTIAL ORDER, MAKE ME KNOW. NOW SINCE WE ARRIVED IN A NEW ERA OF SHERLOCK HOLMES CANON, PREPARE TO READ A MESSAGE BY ME, WHERE I BREACK DOWN SHERLOCK HOLMES CRIMES & PUNISHMENTS AKA THE BEST SHERLOCK HOLMES GAME AND THE WORST IN TERMS OF CHRONOLOGY.

 

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So guys, Crimes & Punishment, is done in the same way as the devil's daughter, so 6 cases to uncover here, let's start.

Case #1 - simple, this is an adaptation of the story of the same name, so it is set on 10-12 July 1895.

Case #4 - even if the dates imply, that it is set in 1894, it can't be true, since it's an adaptation set in 1897, so this is set in 3 January 1897.

Case #6 - this case is set during queen victoria's Jubilee on 22 June 1897.

Case #5 - this one it's tricky, I don't know much aside that it must take place between 3 January and 22 June 1897, it's probably set during spring of 1897 thanks to the weather.

Case #3 - The devil's Daughter gives us a canon date, which is 1895, what I don't remember is if it's July or august 1895. Going with August for now, cos July 1895 is full of stuff.

Case #2 - ok, this one is pretty simple, Sherlock and Watson goes on a Holiday after the success of their last case, but what case? Well from Case #1 to Case #3 there is only one case possible: The events of Sherlock Holmes: Nemesis, so this case has to be set the day after, so 20 July 1895.

End Scene - the last scene of the game sees Watson telling Holmes that they will have a new neighboor, setting up the events of the Devil's Daughter, so this scene has to be set on 0ctober 1903.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Dunno if you've heard of this before, buuuut...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_and_the_Servants_of_Hell
Probably doesn't work in the timeline, but felt like sharing.

 

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Dunno if you've heard of this before, buuuut...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_and_the_Servants_of_Hell
Probably doesn't work in the timeline, but felt like sharing.

The Wikipedia Page sayes that this book Is set in the world of Hellraiser, so it's a variant of Holmes in the world of Hellraiser.

 

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I actually thought about doing this long time ago, but I lost interest in this universe after the final twist of Chapter One.
Are you going to include the Lupin novels because of Nemesis and Agatha Christie detective stories because of Poirot cameo in Awakened? I haven't played the remake of Awakened, so, I don't know if the cameo is still there.

Mr.ò @Jozaca is possible that all the frogwares games are set in the same universe? Anf if the answer is positive, what is the relationship between the Dracula game and the original novel?

 

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Dunno if you've heard of this before, buuuut...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes_and_the_Servants_of_Hell
Probably doesn't work in the timeline, but felt like sharing.

returning to this, maybe this book is canon in the slasherverse? @Pro Bot knows better than me about this. You should ask him.

 

[Pro Bot]

I'm aware of that book, but I don't know.

 

[Jozaca]

Mr.ò @Jozaca is possible that all the frogwares games are set in the same universe? Anf if the answer is positive, what is the relationship between the Dracula game and the original novel?

Oh, sorry, I guess the way I worded that made it sound as if I played all of the Frogwares games up until Chapter One, lol. Nop. I have only started Sherlock Holmes vs. Jack the Ripper and Sherlock Holmes and the Mystery of the Mummy and haven't finished any of them. I was just planning to play the series and got spoiled about the ending of Chapter One by a Steam review.