Lord of the Rings (Adapted) Timeline

[Megatron]

seems that war in the north starts earlier, then BoME II starts later, tho IDK do they end at the same time? @ScottishRyzo

 

[ScottishRyzo]

so the games you took as canon are:

- The Third Age
- The Battle for Middle-Earth II
- The Rise of the Witch-King
- Conquest

Unknown:

- The Battle for Middle-Earth
- Tactics
- Rise of War

Non-Canon

- The Two Towers
- The Return of the King
- Online

It's that right? Cos If you want I can do the simplified order for you, so when you finish the detailed timeline, you have just to copy it.

Yeah the canon ones I'll do when I come back to this for Rohirrim in a week or two because god help me I'm sick of the sight of it just now aha.

I'll vet the unknowns more at the same time and at least put the what if segments in an honourable mention or something, idk, I'll figure it out. I haven't decided if I want to mark things like "Amazon canon" or Jackson verse or just have that separate from this "Aligned" timeline

Online is probably not canon but it looks like it has a lot of lore to it and I don't want to dismiss it out of hand so I'll probably check that later too

is there a possibility of both being canon?

Maybe, I'm hoping when I go through it I'll be relieved and they can at least have levels that just coincide with each other during the same battle or something. The fact that war in the north uses so many alternate names for people and places in its second half might be a blessing letting me place those segments elsewhere if the first half doesn't contradict battle and just use that ones actual lore based events

 

[Megatron]

Yeah the canon ones I'll do when I come back to this for Rohirrim in a week or two because god help me I'm sick of the sight of it just now aha.

I'll vet the unknowns more at the same time and at least put the what if segments in an honourable mention or something, idk, I'll figure it out. I haven't decided if I want to mark things like "Amazon canon" or Jackson verse or just have that separate from this "Aligned" timeline

Online is probably not canon but it looks like it has a lot of lore to it and I don't want to dismiss it out of hand so I'll probably check that later too

Maybe, I'm hoping when I go through it I'll be relieved and they can at least have levels that just coincide with each other during the same battle or something. The fact that war in the north uses so many alternate names for people and places in its second half might be a blessing letting me place those segments elsewhere if the first half doesn't contradict battle and just use that ones actual lore based events

so for the WitN vs. BoME II we're taking Battle or War as the higher tier for canonicity if there are contradictions?

 

[ScottishRyzo]

seems that war in the north starts earlier, then BoME II starts later, tho IDK do they end at the same time? @ScottishRyzo

Yeah war starts as the hobbits are heading to Bree but clearly some time is going on because Sauron has fallen by the time of the last mission. It just seems to jump ahead a lot between segments after the council of elrond. It's clearly inspired by the the siege of erebor at the end but it uses its own dwarven city and stuff like that

 

[Megatron]

@ScottishRyzo What do you think of this simplified Order? (of what you got in the timeline so far)

The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Powers Season 1-2
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor - The Bright Lord
The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-Earth II - The Rise of the Witch-King
The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor (From Start of the Game to Before the Last Mission)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor - Lord of the Hunt
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor (Last Mission)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (From Prologue to Act I)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War - Desolation of Mordor
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (From Act II to Act III)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War - The Blade of Galadriel
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (Act IV)
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum
The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
The Lord of the Rings: Conquest
The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
The Lord of the Rings: War in the North
The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-Earth II
The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest

(Tell me if there are some changes to be done)

updated with the 100% canon games. (Maybe it needs more work for the Trilogy + games section)

Also do you have some colors in mind?

 

[Megatron]

I was planning for:

The Lord of the Rings = 654321

The Hobbit = CDA434

Middle-Earth = 9C9C9C

What do you think? @ScottishRyzo

 

[ScottishRyzo]

Yeah I'm happy with that, I'll do that once I've finished moving my timestamps over here. My docs are all shorthand and 0h0m0 rather than 0:00:00 so it's a bit of a slog, too used to doing them just for me

Btw from what I saw on YouTube the Gollum game wasn't something I'd actually care to play but the story was actually pretty good

Inb4 the hunt for gollum tramples all over it tho

 

[Megatron]

@ScottishRyzo What do you think of this simplified Order? (of what you got in the timeline so far)

The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Powers Season 1-2
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor - The Bright Lord
The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-Earth II - The Rise of the Witch-King
The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor (From Start of the Game to Before the Last Mission)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor - Lord of the Hunt
Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor (Last Mission)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (From Prologue to Act I)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War - Desolation of Mordor
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (From Act II to Act III)
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War - The Blade of Galadriel
Middle-Earth: Shadow of War (Act IV)
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum
The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King
The Lord of the Rings: Conquest
The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age
The Lord of the Rings: War in the North
The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-Earth II
The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest

(Tell me if there are some changes to be done)

updated with the colors. Now i'll device a way to not have all the game set during the trilogy be played after the trilogy.

 

[Megatron]

in the meantime, didn't someone in the timeline hub thread talked about the shorts? Are they canon?

 

[ScottishRyzo]

The prologue of war in the north makes it sound like it's a story gandalf is telling after the war of the ring about concurrent events so that can stay where it is at least

Act IV of shadow of war is just ending cinematics isn't it?

in the meantime, didn't someone in the timeline hub thread talked about the shorts? Are they canon?

Honestly I don't know about shorts, you mean like the fan made stuff?

 

[Megatron]

Act IV of shadow of war is just ending cinematics isn't it?

Act IV is the shadow war chapter. I tell you that cos the Blade of Galadriel DLC happens some week or day later than the main story when Act IV is decades long.

 

[Megatron]

Honestly I don't know about shorts, you mean like the fan made stuff?

one guy in the timeline thread said this:

"Middle-earth: Shadow of War - Friend or Foe
The Lord of the Rings: Rise to War in real life
The Lord of the Rings: Orc vs. Girl
The Lord of the Rings: Mordor vs. Gondor

the first one's (with TLOTR as begining of the title) ending, which is set in our world, should be completely cut out from the timeline and they should have edited it in after a clear pause like they did with the sequels (yup a trilogy of short films) they're set sometime after Fellowship and before Return (they are official and altho no WB or New Line logo is visible they were involved just like New Line is involved with The Rings of Power) and the SoW short is set before the game."

IDK if what he said it's true cos i never watched these shorts.

 

[ScottishRyzo]

Ah yeah yeah when he gets snaked, been a fortnight now since I actually played it for this, feels like a lifetime, got a bit too deep in lore for dating this one

one guy in the timeline thread said this:

"Middle-earth: Shadow of War - Friend or Foe
The Lord of the Rings: Rise to War in real life
The Lord of the Rings: Orc vs. Girl
The Lord of the Rings: Mordor vs. Gondor

the first one's (with TLOTR as begining of the title) ending, which is set in our world, should be completely cut out from the timeline and they should have edited it in after a clear pause like they did with the sequels (yup a trilogy of short films) they're set sometime after Fellowship and before Return (they are official and altho no WB or New Line logo is visible they were involved just like New Line is involved with The Rings of Power) and the SoW short is set before the game."

IDK if what he said it's true cos i never watched these shorts.

Then I'll add it to the vetting list with the games for when I watch/play through this for Rohirrim once I'm done with the new indy or something

 

[selfishmisery]

My OCD tells me to tell you "Add space between "Rings" and "(Adapted)" in the thread title..."

EDIT: Thank you.

 

[Rojinn]

Not sure about the Gollum Game. Seems more based on the book-universe rather than the Movie Universe. Another game based more on the book universe, Return to Moria, could potentially fit, it even has John Rys-Davies as Gimli. I personally wouldn't add either of them, but still wanted to throw that in here.

Oh, and I personally would not add the three Rise to War shorts, I totally with @Zeitschiene 's reasoning in the Timeline Hub

 

[ScottishRyzo]

Not sure about the Gollum Game. Seems more based on the book-universe rather than the Movie Universe. Another game based more on the book universe, Return to Moria, could potentially fit, it even has John Rys-Davies as Gimli. I personally wouldn't add either of them, but still wanted to throw that in here.

Oh, and I personally would not add the three Rise to War shorts, I totally with @Zeitschiene 's reasoning in the Timeline Hub

It's definitely more book based but I don't think it was a coincidence it vame about when they started making noise for hunt for gollum. Doesn't contradict anything so I left it. I'll add return to Moria to my list to check out

Had planned on uploading the last batch of timestamps tonight but I had a late one last night and I just can't be bothered. Nothing on tomorrow so it'll be done and formatted by this time tomorrow and we can sort out whatever needs to be checked and/or added

 

[ScottishRyzo]

That's me finished the timestamps and formatting, went in a different direction with some of the colouring but eh

Just need to fiddle the shadow dates and stuff

 

[Zeitschiene]

Read my reasoning for not including the shorts in the Timeline hub i stand by it. Also Gollum is not canon

 

[ScottishRyzo]

Also Gollum is not canon

It's definitely more book based but I don't think it was a coincidence it vame about when they started making noise for hunt for gollum. Doesn't contradict anything so I left it

 

[ScottishRyzo]

If, unlike me, you game on pc and use epic, return to Moria is on there to grab now free

 

[Rojinn]

I've seen War of the Rohirrim yesterday, the passage of time is really hard to track

Spoiler

Am curios how you're going to fit the Helm Hammerhand flashback from Shadow of War to this movie

 

[Megatron]

I've seen War of the Rohirrim yesterday, the passage of time is really hard to track

Spoiler

Am curios how you're going to fit the Helm Hammerhand flashback from Shadow of War to this movie

oh it did come out? How was it? Quality speaking.

 

[Rojinn]

oh it did come out? How was it? Quality speaking.

I really liked it. The pacing was a bit too fast in the beginning, but the second and third act were really good (though there were 2-3 moments that I found unnecessary, really light spoilers below)

Spoiler

There were three moments that tried to connect this story to the larger franchise. Won't go into more detail

The animation was great, especially during night sequences. Looked like there were some live-action (or pretty good renders) mixed with animation.

My expectations were kinda mixed, but I was positively surprised

 

[Zeitschiene]

-2759:
Middle Earth: Shadow of War: (Helm Hammerhand flashback)

-2769:
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Extended Edition: 0:02:07 - 0:04:54

-2770:
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Extended Edition: 0:04:54 - 0:07:15
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug: Extended Edition: 1:32:32 - 1:32:45
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug: Extended Edition: 1:32:55 - 1:33:13
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Extended Edition: 0:07:16 - 0:09:39

-2758:
The Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim**

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[ScottishRyzo]

Just want to say I haven't forgotten about this, I have a copy of Rohirrim, I'm just being really lazy and haven't watched it yet

 

[ScottishRyzo]

Finally updated this with Rohirrim

 

[Zeitschiene]

So no Helm Hammerhand flashback from Shadow of War?

 

[ScottishRyzo]

Written it off as a distorted memory but I do think Helm is already wearing the ring at the start of Rohirrim and that he could feasibly be brought back after by 'the necromancer', like most of the other Nazgul in the game, and the flashback is just cope on his part

 

[Megatron]

So now It misses the Battle for middle-earth II, Conquest and the third age, right?

 

[ScottishRyzo]

So now It misses the Battle for middle-earth II, Conquest and the third age, right?

I did have a look into the other games but there was either some detail explicitly contradicting the movies or straight up alternative versions of scenes from the movie

Either way I'm done with this until S3 I guess or someone notices something I missed. Might come back to try and fit months and dates where possible, maybe split it into continuities, might not.