Marvel Animated Universe (Earth 8096)... Avengers - EMH, Wolverine & the X-Men, etc.

selfishmisery

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The reason why I'm irked about this is because if you go ahead with adding out-of-universe content, you've giving people who visit here wrong information and justification to continue objectifying fallacies.

Why do you think I don't put Gotham or Pennyworth in the Arrowverse timeline? There's no evidence. It's just personal hopes.
 

Dallas Kinard

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The reason why I'm irked about this is because if you go ahead with adding out-of-universe content, you've giving people who visit here wrong information and justification to continue objectifying fallacies.

Why do you think I don't put Gotham or Pennyworth in the Arrowverse timeline? There's no evidence. It's just personal hopes.
I get your point. But I also love some "head-canon" as well. It's all fiction after all.
 

Pro Bot

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No. It's all "I wish" fandom hopes and what could have been with creators (i.e. "ORIGINALLY INTENDED" like Green Lantern was "originally intended" to be the first DCEU film). A YouTube video from a fan isn't going to prove crap, sorry to say.

If I were you, don't bother putting F4 or SSM in the same timeline (Earth-8096), because they have different universe designations: Earth-26496 and Earth-135263

Apologizes if I sound irked, but I've ran into too many people who were hoping a little much for this. A lot of it is pre-2012 Marvel Animation gush without enough research or textual evidence to suggest it's the same universe. Sure you may find things that could fit, but for the most part it's objectively from different realities. Regardless of what was "originally intended".
Uh huh.
 

Dallas Kinard

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"i'm not saying it would have been easy. or that it would have happened"

"was intended"


Uh huh.
Can you help explain your placements for this:

Earth-8096 timeline.

2000 B.C.
????

Kang conquers Eygpt

circa. 900 A.D.
????
Thor: Tales of Asgard

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to the Dark Ages

1192
????

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to Feudal Japan

1885
????

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to the American Southwest

1942
????

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to the World War II

1943
????

Baron Zemo is seemingly killed

1945
????

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x05, "Meet Captain America" [World War II]

????
????

Professor Xavier saves Ororo from Amahl Farouk

????
????

Professor Xavier forms the original X-Men team

200?
????

Professor Xavier finds Kurt Wagner

2004?
????

Logan defeats the Silver Samurai; Mariko tells him to leave Japan

200?
????

Hulk vs. Wolverine

2007
????

The X-Mansion explodes

2008
????
Wolverine and the X-Men
1x01, "Hindsight (Part 1)"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x02, "Hindsight (Part 2)"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x03, "Hindsight (Part 3)" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x04, "Overflow"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x05, "Thieves' Gambit"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x06, "X-Calibre"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x07, "Wolverine vs. the Hulk"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x08, "Time Bomb"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x10, "Greetings from Genosha"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x11, "Past Discretions"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x12, "eXcessive Force"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x13, "Battle Lines"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x14, "Stolen Lives"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x15, "Hunting Grounds"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x16, "Badlands" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x17, "Code of Conduct"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x18, "Backlash"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x19, "Guardian Angel"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x20, "Breakdown"

December
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x22, "Aces and Eights"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x23, "Shades of Grey"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x24, "Foresight (Part 1)" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x25, "Foresight (Part 2)" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x26, "Foresight (Part 3)" [Present Day]

2009
????

Michael Korvac is kidnapped by the Kree

April
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x01, "A New Order (Part 1)" [Present Day - Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x02, "A New Order (Part 2)" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x03, "A New Order (Part 3)" [Script Form ONLY]

????
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x05, "Recall" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x06, "Russian Magik" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x07, "Legacy" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x08, "eXodus" [Script Form ONLY]

2010
January
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
1x01, "Iron Man is Born"

????
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x04, "The Man in the Ant Hill"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x03, "Thor the Mighty"

March
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x02, "Hulk vs the World"

????
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x06, "Breakout (Part 1)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x07, "Breakout (Part 2)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x08, "Some Assembly Required"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x09, "Living Legend"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x10, "Everything is Wonderful"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (1st Story; "Adaptation")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #6 (2nd Story; "Magneto Walks the Earth")

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x11, "Panther's Quest"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (2nd Story; "Trust")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (1st Story; "Obsession")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #3 (1st Story; "Savage")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #3 (2nd Story; "Courage")

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x12, "Gamma World (Part 1)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x13, "Gamma World (Part 2)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (2nd Story; "Mutual Respect")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x14, "Masters of Evil"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x15, "459"

June
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x16, "Widow's Sting"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x17, "The Man Who Stole Tomorrow"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x18, "Come the Conqueror"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x19, "The Kang Dynasty"

July
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #4 ("Team")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x20, "The Casket of Ancient Winters"

????
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #8 (1st Story; "Brain Games")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x21, "Hail, HYDRA!"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #8 (2nd Story; "Mayhem of the Madbomb!")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #4 (2nd Story; "My Dinner With HYDRA")

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x22, "Ultron-5"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x23, "The Ultron Imperative"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (1st Story; "Enter the Mandarin")

December
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x24, "This Hostage Earth"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x25, "The Fall of Asgard"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x26, "A Day Unlike Any Other"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (2nd Story; "Assembly Line")

2011
????

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x01, "The Private War of Doctor Doom"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (1st Story; "World's Smartest Heroes")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x02, "Alone Against A.I.M."
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x03, "Acts of Vengeance"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x04, "Welcome to the Kree Empire"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x05, "To Steal an Ant-Man"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x06, "Michael Korvac"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (2nd Story; "When the Grey Gargoyle Strikes!")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x07, "Who Do You Trust?"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x08, "The Ballad of Beta Ray Bill"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x09, "Nightmare in Red"

March
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x10, "Prisoner of War"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x11, "Infiltration"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x12, "Secret Invasion"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x13, "Along Came a Spider..."
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x14, "Behold...The Vision!"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #3 (2nd Story; "King Solomon's Frogs")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x15, "Powerless"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x16, "Assault on 42"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x17, "Ultron Unlimited"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x18, "Yellowjacket"

April
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x19, "Emperor Stark"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x20, "Code Red"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x21, "Winter Soldier"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x22, "The Deadliest Man Alive"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x23, "New Avengers"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x24, "Operation Galactic Storm"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x25, "Live Kree or Die"

May
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x25, "Live Kree or Die" [Ending Scene]
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x26, "Avengers Assemble!"

June
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #12 (1st Story; "This Man, This Monster")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #5 (1st Story; "The Serpent Crown")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #10 (1st Story; "The Leader's Legions!")


????
Hulk vs. Thor
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #10 (2nd Story; "Baby Steps")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #7 (1st Story; "They Came From Inner Space!")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #4 (1st Story; "The Contest of Champions!")


2028
????

Wolverine and the X-Men 1x03, "Hindsight (Part 3)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x09, "Future X" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x16, "Badlands" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x21, "Rover" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x24, "Foresight (Part 1)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x25, "Foresight (Part 2)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x26, "Foresight (Part 3)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x01, "A New Order (Part 1)" [AoA Timeline - Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x04, "Infinite Future" [AoA Timeline - Script Form ONLY]

2082
????

Tripods destroy Paris, France
 

selfishmisery

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Can you help explain your placements for this:

Earth-8096 timeline.

2000 B.C.
????

Kang conquers Eygpt

circa. 900 A.D.
????
Thor: Tales of Asgard

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to the Dark Ages

1192
????

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to Feudal Japan

1885
????

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to the American Southwest

1942
????

Black Panther and Hawkeye chase a time-traveling Princess Ravonna to the World War II

1943
????

Baron Zemo is seemingly killed

1945
????

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x05, "Meet Captain America" [World War II]

????
????

Professor Xavier saves Ororo from Amahl Farouk

????
????

Professor Xavier forms the original X-Men team

200?
????

Professor Xavier finds Kurt Wagner

2004?
????

Logan defeats the Silver Samurai; Mariko tells him to leave Japan

200?
????

Hulk vs. Wolverine

2007
????

The X-Mansion explodes

2008
????
Wolverine and the X-Men
1x01, "Hindsight (Part 1)"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x02, "Hindsight (Part 2)"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x03, "Hindsight (Part 3)" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x04, "Overflow"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x05, "Thieves' Gambit"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x06, "X-Calibre"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x07, "Wolverine vs. the Hulk"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x08, "Time Bomb"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x10, "Greetings from Genosha"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x11, "Past Discretions"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x12, "eXcessive Force"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x13, "Battle Lines"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x14, "Stolen Lives"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x15, "Hunting Grounds"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x16, "Badlands" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x17, "Code of Conduct"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x18, "Backlash"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x19, "Guardian Angel"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x20, "Breakdown"

December
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x22, "Aces and Eights"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x23, "Shades of Grey"
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x24, "Foresight (Part 1)" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x25, "Foresight (Part 2)" [Present Day]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x26, "Foresight (Part 3)" [Present Day]

2009
????

Michael Korvac is kidnapped by the Kree

April
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x01, "A New Order (Part 1)" [Present Day - Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x02, "A New Order (Part 2)" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x03, "A New Order (Part 3)" [Script Form ONLY]

????
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x05, "Recall" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x06, "Russian Magik" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x07, "Legacy" [Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x08, "eXodus" [Script Form ONLY]

2010
January
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
1x01, "Iron Man is Born"

????
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x04, "The Man in the Ant Hill"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x03, "Thor the Mighty"

March
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x02, "Hulk vs the World"

????
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x06, "Breakout (Part 1)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x07, "Breakout (Part 2)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x08, "Some Assembly Required"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x09, "Living Legend"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x10, "Everything is Wonderful"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (1st Story; "Adaptation")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #6 (2nd Story; "Magneto Walks the Earth")

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x11, "Panther's Quest"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (2nd Story; "Trust")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (1st Story; "Obsession")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #3 (1st Story; "Savage")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #3 (2nd Story; "Courage")

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x12, "Gamma World (Part 1)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x13, "Gamma World (Part 2)"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (2nd Story; "Mutual Respect")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x14, "Masters of Evil"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x15, "459"

June
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x16, "Widow's Sting"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x17, "The Man Who Stole Tomorrow"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x18, "Come the Conqueror"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x19, "The Kang Dynasty"

July
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #4 ("Team")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x20, "The Casket of Ancient Winters"

????
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #8 (1st Story; "Brain Games")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x21, "Hail, HYDRA!"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #8 (2nd Story; "Mayhem of the Madbomb!")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #4 (2nd Story; "My Dinner With HYDRA")

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x22, "Ultron-5"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x23, "The Ultron Imperative"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (1st Story; "Enter the Mandarin")

December
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x24, "This Hostage Earth"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x25, "The Fall of Asgard"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1x26, "A Day Unlike Any Other"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #1 (2nd Story; "Assembly Line")

2011
????

The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x01, "The Private War of Doctor Doom"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (1st Story; "World's Smartest Heroes")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x02, "Alone Against A.I.M."
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x03, "Acts of Vengeance"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x04, "Welcome to the Kree Empire"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x05, "To Steal an Ant-Man"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x06, "Michael Korvac"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #2 (2nd Story; "When the Grey Gargoyle Strikes!")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x07, "Who Do You Trust?"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x08, "The Ballad of Beta Ray Bill"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x09, "Nightmare in Red"

March
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x10, "Prisoner of War"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x11, "Infiltration"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x12, "Secret Invasion"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x13, "Along Came a Spider..."
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x14, "Behold...The Vision!"
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #3 (2nd Story; "King Solomon's Frogs")
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x15, "Powerless"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x16, "Assault on 42"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x17, "Ultron Unlimited"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x18, "Yellowjacket"

April
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x19, "Emperor Stark"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x20, "Code Red"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x21, "Winter Soldier"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x22, "The Deadliest Man Alive"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x23, "New Avengers"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x24, "Operation Galactic Storm"
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x25, "Live Kree or Die"

May
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x25, "Live Kree or Die" [Ending Scene]
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes 2x26, "Avengers Assemble!"

June
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #12 (1st Story; "This Man, This Monster")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #5 (1st Story; "The Serpent Crown")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #10 (1st Story; "The Leader's Legions!")


????
Hulk vs. Thor
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #10 (2nd Story; "Baby Steps")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #7 (1st Story; "They Came From Inner Space!")
Marvel Universe: The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes #4 (1st Story; "The Contest of Champions!")


2028
????

Wolverine and the X-Men 1x03, "Hindsight (Part 3)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x09, "Future X" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x16, "Badlands" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x21, "Rover" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x24, "Foresight (Part 1)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x25, "Foresight (Part 2)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 1x26, "Foresight (Part 3)" [DoFP Timeline]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x01, "A New Order (Part 1)" [AoA Timeline - Script Form ONLY]
Wolverine and the X-Men 2x04, "Infinite Future" [AoA Timeline - Script Form ONLY]

2082
????

Tripods destroy Paris, France
IIRC Aces and Eights or Shades of Gray has a newspaper date of December 2008. (Bolivar Trask throws said newspaper on a table in the scene).

Living Legend has a date on Tony's stock market hologram that says "2010".
Window's Sting has this line from Hawkeye - "That was like...three months ago" (referring to him getting betrayed and locked up).
It's "July" in Casket of Ancient Winters; per "the hottest day of the year".

There's also mentions of months or weeks passing that play into those placements.
 
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