Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

[Rman]

I agree with this. The more the MCU goes into Multiversal stuff the more I feel it's going to separate from the comics. So for my own peace of mind I consider them two separate Multiverses within the Marvel "Megaverse". That's just me tho

I'm the same. I feel like it's less convoluted to just have it be it's own thing. Which I honestly feels like is the direction they're taking. Like announcing the MCU as 616.

 

[Pro Bot]

The fact that they are doing incursions and Secret Wars in the MCU kind of indicated to me that the MCU multiverse and the comics one is separate.

It doesn't really contradict though. I've already brought up that the What If...? numbers were designated recently. They obviously still internally consider it the same greater multiverse.

You've got to understand that the MCU is working as a multiversal cluster within the comics multiverse. In this multiversal cluster created by He Who Remains, Earth-199999 is "Earth-616". It's essentially clipped off from the comics. Loki itself very much implies that He Who Remains came from the comics multiverse and BTS comments mention other already existing multiversal trees at the end of Loki, thus confirming the multiverse wasn't erased by Nathaniel Richards (Earth-199999).

However, it's been set up in a way that they can literally do whatever they want without affecting the comics.

Venom connects to Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Peter B. Parker comes from "E-616". So if you want to say that the MCU is a separate multiverse from the comics because of Earth-616, know that you're already saying that two Earth-616s exist. Not to mention, I've heard the sequel to Into the Spider-Verse explicitly uses the comic numbers for their versions of those universes. You're going to have to accept that the Earth numbers mean nothing, especially since the Earth numbers the comics follow is based on the Captain Britain Corps. "Earth-838", the MCU TVA and Mysterio's guesswork (lol) have absolutely no basis on that. Whatever numbering system they use in the Into the Spider-Verse sub-branches are clearly different to the Captain Britain Corps numbering.

The MCU is the same multiverse as the SSU, which is the same multiverse as Into the Spider-Verse. There is no contradiction to the comics, and the MCU is already officially tied with that.

 

[Jozaca]

It doesn't really contradict though. I've already brought up that the What If...? numbers were designated recently. They obviously still internally consider it the same greater multiverse.

You've got to understand that the MCU is working as a multiversal cluster within the comics multiverse. In this multiversal cluster created by He Who Remains, Earth-199999 is "Earth-616". It's essentially clipped off from the comics. Loki itself very much implies that He Who Remains came from the comics multiverse and BTS comments mention other already existing multiversal trees at the end of Loki, thus confirming the multiverse wasn't erased by Nathaniel Richards (Earth-199999).

However, it's been set up in a way that they can literally do whatever they want without affecting the comics.

Venom connects to Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Peter B. Parker comes from "E-616". So if you want to say that the MCU is a separate multiverse from the comics because of Earth-616, know that you're already saying that two Earth-616s exist. Not to mention, I've heard the sequel to Into the Spider-Verse explicitly uses the comic numbers for their versions of those universes. You're going to have to accept that the Earth numbers mean nothing, especially since the Earth numbers the comics follow is based on the Captain Britain Corps. "Earth-838", the MCU TVA and Mysterio's guesswork (lol) have absolutely no basis on that. Whatever numbering system they use in the Into the Spider-Verse sub-branches are clearly different to the Captain Britain Corps numbering.

The MCU is the same multiverse as the SSU, which is the same multiverse as Into the Spider-Verse. There is no contradiction to the comics, and the MCU is already officially tied with that.

That was what I was asking. Is He Who Remains a Kang from an old comic story?
And yes, I know, in the Spider verse movie there is a screen in the multiversal experiment thing that has the numbers of the comic book universes represented in the film even if obviously they are not the same. I don't get why being animated would made a movie not part of the MCU Multiverse, What if is clearly set in the MCU Multiverse. Also, now that we are taking about connections between Spiderverse and Venom, Isn't the effect and sound used when Venom teleports to the MCU the same as the ones when people arrive to other universe in Into the Spiderverse?

 

[Starvel]

It doesn't really contradict though. I've already brought up that the What If...? numbers were designated recently. They obviously still internally consider it the same greater multiverse.

You've got to understand that the MCU is working as a multiversal cluster within the comics multiverse. In this multiversal cluster created by He Who Remains, Earth-199999 is "Earth-616". It's essentially clipped off from the comics. Loki itself very much implies that He Who Remains came from the comics multiverse and BTS comments mention other already existing multiversal trees at the end of Loki, thus confirming the multiverse wasn't erased by Nathaniel Richards (Earth-199999).

However, it's been set up in a way that they can literally do whatever they want without affecting the comics.

Venom connects to Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Peter B. Parker comes from "E-616". So if you want to say that the MCU is a separate multiverse from the comics because of Earth-616, know that you're already saying that two Earth-616s exist. Not to mention, I've heard the sequel to Into the Spider-Verse explicitly uses the comic numbers for their versions of those universes. You're going to have to accept that the Earth numbers mean nothing, especially since the Earth numbers the comics follow is based on the Captain Britain Corps. "Earth-838", the MCU TVA and Mysterio's guesswork (lol) have absolutely no basis on that. Whatever numbering system they use in the Into the Spider-Verse sub-branches are clearly different to the Captain Britain Corps numbering.

The MCU is the same multiverse as the SSU, which is the same multiverse as Into the Spider-Verse. There is no contradiction to the comics, and the MCU is already officially tied with that.

And long multi paragraph posts like this are why I choose to just go with them being separate Multiverses for my own peace of mind.

Edit: I mean absolutely no offense, if this came of rude. As Rman said, it gets too convoluted too quickly.

 

[RocketRacoon]

It doesn't really contradict though. I've already brought up that the What If...? numbers were designated recently. They obviously still internally consider it the same greater multiverse.

You've got to understand that the MCU is working as a multiversal cluster within the comics multiverse. In this multiversal cluster created by He Who Remains, Earth-199999 is "Earth-616". It's essentially clipped off from the comics. Loki itself very much implies that He Who Remains came from the comics multiverse and BTS comments mention other already existing multiversal trees at the end of Loki, thus confirming the multiverse wasn't erased by Nathaniel Richards (Earth-199999).

However, it's been set up in a way that they can literally do whatever they want without affecting the comics.

Venom connects to Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Peter B. Parker comes from "E-616". So if you want to say that the MCU is a separate multiverse from the comics because of Earth-616, know that you're already saying that two Earth-616s exist. Not to mention, I've heard the sequel to Into the Spider-Verse explicitly uses the comic numbers for their versions of those universes. You're going to have to accept that the Earth numbers mean nothing, especially since the Earth numbers the comics follow is based on the Captain Britain Corps. "Earth-838", the MCU TVA and Mysterio's guesswork (lol) have absolutely no basis on that. Whatever numbering system they use in the Into the Spider-Verse sub-branches are clearly different to the Captain Britain Corps numbering.

The MCU is the same multiverse as the SSU, which is the same multiverse as Into the Spider-Verse. There is no contradiction to the comics, and the MCU is already officially tied with that.

I'm taking that "in another universe" thing with Into the Spider-Verse with a massive grain of salt lol. I'll wait further confirmation to see if they are really in the same Multiverse.

 

[fuzzyfoot]

Welp, Geekritique responded to a comment of mine on his WBN video that She-Hulk is 2024. I disagree at the moment, but his video on it, which I assume will drop when the show ends, should be fun to watch at the very least.

 

[Rman]

She-Hulk finale spoilers have leaked and

Spoiler: Slight She-Hulk Episode 9 Spoilers

at one point members of Intelligencia bring up "And Lady Thor? Ok she just sucks". I know this can be taken in different ways, but to me, it sounds like they're saying she's active at this time. I get they're supposed to be ********, but I feel like they would have said "she just sucked" if it were meant to be after her death.

Welp, Geekritique responded to a comment of mine on his WBN video that She-Hulk is 2024. I disagree at the moment, but his video on it, which I assume will drop when the show ends, should be fun to watch at the very least.

As for She-Hulk, I think it makes sense that unless otherwise stated, Marvel would want the timeline to continue forward. I feel like he's placing it in 2024 so it can be shortly after Shang-Chi. I think the wiki is currently leaning toward 2024, so wouldn't be surprised if he's going off it.

 

[fuzzyfoot]

She-Hulk finale spoilers have leaked and

Spoiler: Slight She-Hulk Episode 9 Spoilers

at one point members of Intelligencia bring up "And Lady Thor? Ok she just sucks". I know this can be taken in different ways, but to me, it sounds like they're saying she's active at this time. I get they're supposed to be ********, but I feel like they would have said "she just sucked" if it were meant to be after her death.

As for She-Hulk, I think it makes sense that unless otherwise stated, Marvel would want the timeline to continue forward. I feel like he's placing it in 2024 so it can be shortly after Shang-Chi. I think the wiki is currently leaning toward 2024, so wouldn't be surprised if he's going off it.

Not to say he's right or you're right, but if the spoiler you posted is true...that actually helps his argument more than you think.

 

[Rman]

Not to say he's right or you're right, but if the spoiler you posted is true...that actually helps his argument more than you think.

That's because you personally believe the movie is 2024 when I don't.

 

[woodlark_289]

She-Hulk must be in 2025 because the NWH spell has already occurred

 

[fuzzyfoot]

That's because you personally believe the movie is 2024 when I don't.

I was referring to Geekritique not me. I'm saying, since he seems to have let slip that She-Hulk will probably be 2024 to him, and since he already considers

Spoiler: Potential Spoiler

Thor LAT 2024 as well

, the spoiler you posted actually helps his argument, even though you are right that the tense of the sentence is important. Where did you read that might I ask?

Also I've already said at least 3 times I agree with you that She-Hulk is 2025. I believe his 2024 hint is wrong. I am curious his reasoning though.

 

[Rman]

I was referring to Geekritique not me. I'm saying, since he seems to have let slip that She-Hulk will probably be 2024 to him, and since he already considers

Spoiler: Potential Spoiler

Thor LAT 2024 as well

, the spoiler you posted actually helps his argument, even though you are right that the tense of the sentence is important. Where did you read that might I ask?

Also I've already said at least 3 times I agree with you that She-Hulk is 2025. I believe his 2024 hint is wrong. I am curious his reasoning though.

I know it's hated on here but a detailed breakdown of the episode has leaked on the spoiler Reddit. It's most likely accurate given the same source gave a detailed Werewolf by Night breakdown shortly before it aired. From the sound of it, the episode gets pretty insane and I'm curious how certain elements from it are handled here. And, like I said I feel like wanting She-Hulk to be as close to Shang-Chi as possible most likely has to do with why he's looking at a 2024 placement.

 

[Geekritique]

Makes sense since he usually gets his evidence from here or the Wiki.

I've recently been made aware of this forum. For the record, I receive none of my evidence from this site or the wiki, and from what I gather we regularly disagree anyway (so I'm not sure where this notion stems from, despite Rman claiming such on a number of occasions from a quick search of this thread). I have long kept my own detailed timeline notes for hundreds of titles, a small portion of which has been made public on my site.

Further, I make it a point to never view other's notes or results until after I've uploaded mine, barring the Disney+ timeline, as it would compromise my work. Though I do enjoy seeing what others come up with on their timelines after I've released my findings.

Anywho, thanks for your time. Have a great day.

 

[Rman]

I've recently been made aware of this forum. For the record, I receive none of my evidence from this site or the wiki, and from what I gather we regularly disagree anyway (so I'm not sure where this notion stems from, despite Rman claiming such on a number of occasions from a quick search of this thread). I have long kept my own detailed timeline notes for hundreds of titles, a small portion of which has been made public on my site.

Further, I make it a point to never view other's notes or results until after I've uploaded mine, barring the Disney+ timeline, as it would compromise my work. Though I do enjoy seeing what others come up with on their timelines after I've released my findings.

Anywho, thanks for your time. Have a great day.

No offense meant. I just noticed that a lot of your evidence would line up with stuff brought up on here and the wiki (like using the moon phases in Moon Knight). I wasn't saying you copy from here or there (there are obviously disagreements) just that I believed you researched these sites to gather evidence. Thanks for clarifying.

Disney Confirms Time Jump After T'Challa's Death In Black Panther 2

I'm assuming T'Challa's death is in 2024 and the movie's main events are in 2025.

 

[Starvel]

I know it's hated on here but a detailed breakdown of the episode has leaked on the spoiler Reddit. It's most likely accurate given the same source gave a detailed Werewolf by Night breakdown shortly before it aired. From the sound of it, the episode gets pretty insane and I'm curious how certain elements from it are handled here. And, like I said I feel like wanting She-Hulk to be as close to Shang-Chi as possible most likely has to do with why he's looking at a 2024 placement.

Yeah I'm inclined to say the source is legit cause that Werewolf by Night one nailed it and as of right now still lines up with all footage released before and since for the finale. I'm still iffy on She-Hulk in 2024 cause I haven't noticed anything that specifically puts it in a year besides the Disney+ timeline which disagrees. I'm curious what Geekritique has

 

[Starvel]

Disney Confirms Time Jump After T'Challa's Death In Black Panther 2

I'm assuming T'Challa's death is in 2024 and the movie's main events are in 2025.

Yeah I just saw this and came here to say the same thing haha, I think a year time jump is good reason to assume a 2025 placement.

 

[Rman]

Yeah I'm inclined to say the source is legit cause that Werewolf by Night one nailed it and as of right now still lines up with all footage released before and since for the finale. I'm still iffy on She-Hulk in 2024 cause I haven't noticed anything that specifically puts it in a year besides the Disney+ timeline which disagrees. I'm curious what Geekritique has

Yeah, like Love & Thunder I feel like it's a personal preference at this point. If there's nothing contradicting the Disney + placement (which so far we haven't seen) then I'm leaning more toward 2025.

 

[jhed13]

I've recently been made aware of this forum. For the record, I receive none of my evidence from this site or the wiki, and from what I gather we regularly disagree anyway (so I'm not sure where this notion stems from, despite Rman claiming such on a number of occasions from a quick search of this thread). I have long kept my own detailed timeline notes for hundreds of titles, a small portion of which has been made public on my site.

Further, I make it a point to never view other's notes or results until after I've uploaded mine, barring the Disney+ timeline, as it would compromise my work. Though I do enjoy seeing what others come up with on their timelines after I've released my findings.

Anywho, thanks for your time. Have a great day.

I enjoy your videos, and you've made me become a Believer on wild theories before, so I imagine it might keep happening haha.
Hope to see you in here more!

 

[Rman]

Spoiler: She-Hulk Episode 9 Spoilers

So how are we handling the whole K.E.V.I.N. thing on the timeline lol? Also, the Lady Thor line is making me feel like she's meant to still be alive at that point given how much she was talked about in the present tense. Since I have Love & Thunder in 2025, I may for my own timeline extend the passage of time from Jane becoming Lady Thor and Thor arriving back on New Asgard. It kinda works too as she would become Lady Thor in May, She-Hulk happens during the summer, and Jane's death could be around late Summer/early Fall (I know there's plenty of disagreement, but it would also match Disney +).

 

[selfishmisery]

Spoiler: She-Hulk Episode 9 Spoilers

So how are we handling the whole K.E.V.I.N. thing on the timeline lol? Also, the Lady Thor line is making me feel like she's meant to still be alive at that point given how much she was talked about in the present tense. Since I have Love & Thunder in 2025, I may for my own timeline extend the passage of time from Jane becoming Lady Thor and Thor arriving back on New Asgard. It kinda works too as she would become Lady Thor in May, She-Hulk happens during the summer, and Jane's death could be around late Summer/early Fall (I know there's plenty of disagreement, but it would also match Disney +).

I would take a lot of that as in her head.

 

[Starvel]

Spoiler: She-Hulk Episode 9 Spoilers

So how are we handling the whole K.E.V.I.N. thing on the timeline lol? Also, the Lady Thor line is making me feel like she's meant to still be alive at that point given how much she was talked about in the present tense. Since I have Love & Thunder in 2025, I may for my own timeline extend the passage of time from Jane becoming Lady Thor and Thor arriving back on New Asgard. It kinda works too as she would become Lady Thor in May, She-Hulk happens during the summer, and Jane's death could be around late Summer/early Fall (I know there's plenty of disagreement, but it would also match Disney +).

Spoiler: She-Hulk

I hope we don't take the KEVIN thing too seriously on this timeline haha. As for the Lady Thor comment I wouldn't try to look too much into that as a placement for timeline. Myself I'm keeping She-Hulk in 2025 however anyway since I find as of right now there's really nothing substantial here to move it but that's just myself. One small thing I think helps the 2025 placement is that if there was a law firm specialized in dealing with superhero cases by summer 2024 I feel that Spider-Man would've gone there and not with Matt Murdock, but again I don't think that's substantial enough on its own to warrant changing anyone's timelines. Edit: Another little thing I just realized, if Abomination was in Kamar-Taj in 2024 wouldn't he have helped out in the battle against Scarlet Witch? Another little thing to place it in 2025

 

[Starvel]

I would take a lot of that as in her head.

Spoiler: She-Hulk

Idk it seemed like she changed the reality of the MCU after speaking with KEVIN. Definitely more than just in her head.

 

[selfishmisery]

Spoiler: She-Hulk

Idk it seemed like she changed the reality of the MCU after speaking with KEVIN. Definitely more than just in her head.

Spoiler: She Hulk Finale

I take everything that occurred differently that what ultimately happened in the main reality is her warped perspective, all in her head, that kinda bled over into the narrative. In other words, what happened by the end happened. The stuff that happened when she started complaining and wanting to meet K.E.V.I.N. didn't happen.

 

[Starvel]

Spoiler: She Hulk Finale

I take everything that occurred differently that what ultimately happened in the main reality is her warped perspective, all in her head, that kinda bled over into the narrative. In other words, what happened by the end happened. The stuff that happened when she started complaining and wanting to meet K.E.V.I.N. didn't happen.

Spoiler: She-Hulk

I mean fair enough, that's one way to look at it. But I mean I think we're capable of understanding a fourth wall break and the implications that can have on a series. Sure it can make it a little awkward but I think we all can understand that both happened, one was just overridden within the continuity. I don't think we need to try and explain a fourth wall break within canon as they're explicitly meant to be "breaking" it. I mean c'mon it's meant as comedy, let's not overthink this and just treat it as it is.

 

[jhed13]

Idk, this has definitely had me rethink placing it in 2025. A lot of those little clues, I feel like are putting it in 2024.
I'm starting to think that maybe Marvel is stalling and making these years go by slower so that real time can catch up?

 

[Starvel]

Idk, this has definitely had me rethink placing it in 2025. A lot of those little clues, I feel like are putting it in 2024.
I'm starting to think that maybe Marvel is stalling and making these years go by slower so that real time can catch up?

I am curious what everyone thinks about the placement now that the show is over. I'm still on 2025 myself for a few reasons, but I'd love to hear why some are putting it in 2024

Spoiler: She-Hulk

My biggest one I think for 2025 placement is if Abomination is in Kamar-Taj we would've seen him in Multiverse of Madness when they were attacked and everyone was defending it

 

[Rman]

Idk, this has definitely had me rethink placing it in 2025. A lot of those little clues, I feel like are putting it in 2024.
I'm starting to think that maybe Marvel is stalling and making these years go by slower so that real time can catch up?

I feel the opposite. I don't really think Marvel cares if they catch up. We already have Ms. Marvel 100% in 2025 and obviously upcoming projects like The Marvels are going to take place after it. The only real evidence we have for a year is Disney + placing the series after Hawkeye and given how little the Blip is brought up compared to most of the shows/movies set in 2024, it makes more sense to me that it's almost been 2 years since everyone's returned rather than less than a year. I'm fine with them always being a few years ahead of us as it allows the impact from Endgame's time jump to continue to be felt.

 

[Rman]

I am curious what everyone thinks about the placement now that the show is over. I'm still on 2025 myself for a few reasons, but I'd love to hear why some are putting it in 2024

2025 makes more sense to me as well. If there's nothing contradicting Disney +'s placement, I don't see the need to go out of our way to ignore it.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

2025 makes more sense to me as well. If there's nothing contradicting Disney +'s placement, I don't see the need to go out of our way to ignore it.

Any idea what month/season?

 

[Rman]

Any idea what month/season?

Based off weather, definitely Summer. If I'm remembering correctly, at one point Jen has something about the 3rd Qtr on her computer (July, August, September) and I noticed last night there was a sticky note for "Event Instigator 8/16" when they were investigating Intelligencia. I'm not sure if this is specifically referencing the Award show, but I feel like it fits with the show being in the Summer. Plus Disney + places it before Ms. Marvel in their timeline and in one episode Mallory mentions "this October" confirming the show is earlier in the year than then.