Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

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Hey so I haven't really been paying much attention, and kinda trying to avoid spoilers anyway. Just saw Ant-Man 3 today and I actually just heard that MODOK was changed. I've never heard of him before (didn't watch the Hulu show or any others with the character and I don't read comics). To me, he looks like HE (instead of the other guy) could be called kRang (as in TMNT- he reminds me of that dude). LOL. Anyway, was this basically an "ugly Sonic" situation, where fans compained and they started over? I tried to find the original MCU design, but it's hard (for me) to find. Which one of these was the original MCU design? Is it in a trailer I can see?
 

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marioxb said:
Hey so I haven't really been paying much attention, and kinda trying to avoid spoilers anyway. Just saw Ant-Man 3 today and I actually just heard that MODOK was changed. I've never heard of him before (didn't watch the Hulu show or any others with the character and I don't read comics). To me, he looks like HE (instead of the other guy) could be called kRang (as in TMNT- he reminds me of that dude). LOL. Anyway, was this basically an "ugly Sonic" situation, where fans compained and they started over? I tried to find the original MCU design, but it's hard (for me) to find. Which one of these was the original MCU design? Is it in a trailer I can see?
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The left one is MODOK in the Avengers game, the right is an artist rendition of MODOK based on an early look at his masked design
 
selfishmisery said:
IIRC Jon Bernthal said a while back if they didn't keep the brutality and violent nature of the character the same, he wouldn't reprise the role under any other circumstance.

I guess this will truly be TV-MA.
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Brutally Violent and MA don't always go hand in hand, TV-14 can go to surprising lengths when it comes to violence and profanity, that's kinda a comment section misconception you see often. The violence in the MCU isn't a MPAA issue it's mostly a Disney issue, I mean look at MoM and the Illuminati and WbN that was a better show of higher levels of violence but it's hardly the limit of when something becomes R/MA. Punisher can very much so be done justice and still be in a PG-14 setting. If anything I think this shows the series will at least push farther than the average MCU project but I don't think it necessarily means it'll be MA
 
Starvel said:
Brutally Violent and MA don't always go hand in hand, TV-14 can go to surprising lengths when it comes to violence and profanity, that's kinda a comment section misconception you see often. The violence in the MCU isn't a MPAA issue it's mostly a Disney issue, I mean look at MoM and the Illuminati and WbN that was a better show of higher levels of violence but it's hardly the limit of when something becomes R/MA. Punisher can very much so be done justice and still be in a PG-14 setting. If anything I think this shows the series will at least push farther than the average MCU project but I don't think it necessarily means it'll be MA
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I'm aware. Gotham (the show) is a prime example of that.
 
selfishmisery said:
IIRC Jon Bernthal said a while back if they didn't keep the brutality and violent nature of the character the same, he wouldn't reprise the role under any other circumstance.

I guess this will truly be TV-MA.
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I think they could handle more of a PG-16 rating, since Marvel Zombies and Deadpool 3 are going to be R-rated/TV-MA, why would they keep Daredevil outside of that? We've had a bit of blood in TF&TWS, MoM and Werewolf by Night, we've had serious themes in Moon Knight, since Daredevil had a TV-MA rating and they actually kept an eye on the Defenders shows but they're not 'crossing the line' I think that would be an adequate rating for this. Plus, TF&TWS and Moon Knight are already rated +16 in some countries
 
So it looks like the deleted scene with the May 7 date took place in the day where Shuri wakes up in Talokan, I had been assuming it took place when they first arrived in Alexandria.

I'll rewatch and see how to place the timestamps according to the dates.

Edit: Probably temporary placement with same reasoning as former Civil War placements; MCU dates having different weekdays.
 
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The Vanessa Fisk recast is....really glaring.
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The fact the actress is of a different ethnicity is telling to me. I still feel like the new series is vague on events from the Netflix series anyway. Matt will have had a history with Fisk and Frank, but the specifics of it aren't brought up. As it's been said this is a season 1 and I doubt there's much continuation of the Netflix story. Which given it'll be like 8/9 years in-universe works.
 
Unfortunately I am predicting some visual comparisons being made between an Israeli actress and one of Chinese background; regardless if you think that's reachable or not. I dunno.
 
selfishmisery said:
Unfortunately I am predicting some visual comparisons being made between an Israeli actress and one of Chinese background; regardless if you think that's reachable or not. I dunno.
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I feel like a lot of that would be due to wanting her to believably be the same exact character rather than any actual resemblance.
 
Other actors on the call sheet include Michael Gandolfini, Margarita Levieva and Sandrine Holt, the latter of whom is playing Vanessa Fisk, the wife of Fisk. Michael Gaston (Chicago P.D., Mayor of Kingstown) is also in the series.

Remember they married in Season 3.
 
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Other actors on the call sheet include Michael Gandolfini, Margarita Levieva and Sandrine Holt, the latter of whom is playing Vanessa Fisk, the wife of Fisk. Michael Gaston (Chicago P.D., Mayor of Kingstown) is also in the series.

Remember they married in Season 3.
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Honestly even if they hadn't I think we'd see her as Vanessa Fisk anyways. It's been so many years since the last season and Vanessa Fisk is the more well known comic name (I don't think we've really ever seen her not married to him in the comics).

I am interested tho in the fact that this is not only the first recast we've seen in like over 10 years and the first race change to happen. Every time they do something to directly connect to the old Netflix series, like Fisk's cufflinks which originate from the series not the comics, they do something to stir up the canon debate
 
Starvel said:
Honestly even if they hadn't I think we'd see her as Vanessa Fisk anyways. It's been so many years since the last season and Vanessa Fisk is the more well known comic name (I don't think we've really ever seen her not married to him in the comics).

I am interested tho in the fact that this is not only the first recast we've seen in like over 10 years and the first race change to happen. Every time they do something to directly connect to the old Netflix series, like Fisk's cufflinks which originate from the series not the comics, they do something to stir up the canon debate
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I never saw the cufflinks as some 100% confirmation. To me, it's no different than them bringing back Cox, D'Onofrio, or Bernthal.
 
Rman said:
I never saw the cufflinks as some 100% confirmation. To me, it's no different than them bringing back Cox, D'Onofrio, or Bernthal.
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I mean the only 100% confirmation would come from Marvel. Actors as we've seen with JK Simmons actors reprising roles mean nothing, the Cufflinks tho were specific to the Netflix series and were made a point to be shown with Bishop's badass move. That being said different but similar is kinda the point of the multiverse and with a cast change that different I'm leaning back to them being different branches. Won't stop me from binging the old Netflix shows from time to time before I watch the MCU through lol
 
Starvel said:
I mean the only 100% confirmation would come from Marvel. Actors as we've seen with JK Simmons mean nothing, the Cufflinks tho were specific to the Netflix series and were made a point to be shown with Bishop's badass move. That being said different but similar is kinda the point of the multiverse and with a cast change that different I'm leaning back to them being different branches
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I mean She-Hulk used the Netflix theme similar to how they've done with other projects and the X-Men 97 theme. I think they're a nod rather than confirmation. If they were, there are much better ways Marvel themselves can confirm it. We'll see what happens with Born Again, but like I said I expect they use the time jump since DDS3 to keep vague and continue to have people believe what they want.
 
Rman said:
I never saw the cufflinks as some 100% confirmation. To me, it's no different than them bringing back Cox, D'Onofrio, or Bernthal.
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Those cufflinks are absolutely more unique than a simple recasting. Its part of Kingpin's very dark origin of his abusive father and a reminder to not be cruel like he was. They were subtly acknowledging that.

Which is why this drastic change is baffling, unless Disney sees no ethnic boundaries between these two actresses for some reason, but the fact we are even discussing this opens up a hot button can of worms.... I will say though, take this with upmost subjectivity, the actresses look much more similar to each other than Terrance Howard did with Don Cheadle. The War Machine actors look NOTHING alike.
 
selfishmisery said:
Those cufflinks are absolutely more unique than a simple recasting. Its part of Kingpin's very dark origin of his abusive father and a reminder to not be cruel like he was. They were subtly acknowledging that.

Which is why this drastic change is baffling, unless Disney sees no ethnic boundaries between these two actresses for some reason, but the fact we are even discussing this opens up a hot button can of worms.... I will say though, take this with upmost subjectivity, the actress look much more similar to each other than Terrance Howard did with Don Cheadle.
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My thought is last we heard the Marvel Television shows were canon and there's been no offical word they aren't despite some inconsistencies and design changes. My own personal opinion is they are different branches now due to this change. But I think this place should keep them in the same timeline until something offical happens.
 
Starvel said:
My thought is last we heard the Marvel Television shows were canon and there's been no offical word they aren't despite some inconsistencies and design changes. My own personal opinion is they are different branches now due to this change. But I think this place should keep them in the same timeline until something offical happens.
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I don't think they'll ever come out and say they aren't canon. But at the same time, I don't think Marvel Studios cares if their own projects contradict them and show inconsistencies.
 
Random thought: But Matt Murdoch in DD's series finale said if Kingpin ever hunted him, Foggy or Karen again he would go after Vanessa.

There is no Foggy or Karen and Vanessa looks different...reaching but they could make that work in the aforementioned context - Kingpin, now out of prison, gets plastic surgery for Vanessa so Matt won't recognize her (yes, there is race changing plastic surgery and it has happened with other characters in the comics) and keeping her name private. Kingpin keeps his promise and thus Foggy and Karen go into hiding for their own protection, while Matt is by himself once again.
 
selfishmisery said:
Random thought: But Matt Murdoch in DD's series finale said if Kingpin ever hunted him, Foggy or Karen again he would go after Vanessa.

There is no Foggy or Karen and Vanessa looks different...reaching but they could make that work in the aforementioned context - Kingpin, now out of prison, gets plastic surgery for Vanessa so Matt won't recognize her (yes, there is race changing plastic surgery and it has happened with other characters in the comics) and keeping her name private. Kingpin keeps his promise and thus Foggy and Karen go into hiding for their own protection, while Matt is by himself once again.
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I honestly feel like that's a pretty convoluted and far-fetched explanation. They've said this is a season 1, not a season 4. I'm not saying the Netflix stuff isn't canon, but I doubt it plays a role in the plot as much as this is suggesting.
 
Rman said:
I honestly feel like that's a pretty convoluted and far-fetched explanation. They've said this is a season 1, not a season 4. I'm not saying the Netflix stuff isn't canon, but I doubt it plays a role in the plot as much as this is suggesting.
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It's not that 'convoluted' of an idea compared to some of the stuff in Agents of SHIELD or expanded MCU lore, tbh. lol
 
selfishmisery said:
It's not that 'convoluted' of an idea compared to some of the stuff in Agents of SHIELD or expanded MCU lore, tbh. lol
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If this was S04 of the Marvel Television run series and the recast happened and Foogy and Karen were missing I'd say it's possible. A little out there maybe but possible enough it could work as an explanation.

However since it's Marvel Studios I'd say your theory takes into account them actually caring more about the continuity of the shows than they actually do.
 
Plot twist, in the 8/9 years since DDS3, Fisk and Netflix Vanessa have separated and he fell in love with someone else who just so happens to share the same first name.
 

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