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All of the below are "for the first time":

So I'm watching Jessica Jones Season 2 now. Yes, it's true that Foggy is working for Hogarth in this season, as he comes out of his office and into hers to talk to her about her problems (ALS). I just finished episode 8. After JJ S2, I'll watch the rest in this order (skipping the movies for now), and see how it fits together that way:

Agents of SHIELD Season 4 (EP 13-22)
Agents of SHIELD Season 5 (EP 1)
Luke Cage season2/ More than an arm
Daredevil Season 3
Punisher Season 2
Agents of SHIELD S5 (EP 2,3,5,4,6-13(
Runaways Season 1
Runaways Season 2 (EP 1)
Iron Fist Season 2 (EP 1-7)
Runaways Season 2 (EP 2-13)
Iron Fist Season 2 (EP 8-10)
Agents of SHIELD Season 5 (EP 14-22)
 
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All of the below are "for the first time":

So I'm watching Jessica Jones Season 2 now. Yes, it's true that Foggy is working for Hogarth in this season, as he comes out of his office and into hers to talk to her about her problems (ALS). I just finished episode 8. After JJ S2, I'll watch the rest in this order (skipping the movies for now), and see how it fits together that way:

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 4 (eps 13-22)
Luke Cage season2/ More than an arm
Daredevil Season 3
Punisher Season 2
Agents of SHIELD s5 EP 1,2,3,5,4,6-13
Runaways Season 1
Runaways Season 2 EP 1
Iron Fist Season 2 EP 1-7
Runaways Season 2 EP 2-13
Iron Fist Season 2 EP 8-10
Shield s5 e14-22
That's good. I would watch Runaways S2 in it's entirety but that's up to you
 
Before or after Iron Fist? I have it separated because, doesn't S02E01 come immediately after the first season? So glad I found an "alternative" way to watch Runaways so I don't need Hulu or have to sit through the annoying commercials. Same with Cloak & Dagger. I really wish they'd go ahead and bring everything from Defenders on to Blu Ray!
 
Now we are getting somewhere. Thanks!


Ok. Now, Selfishmisery's method sounds about the most accurate we can get, what with all the crossovers and the DA election. I agree with moving Daredevil S3 back a couple months.

Except all the Snow in the first 10 or so episodes of Daredevil 3. Doesn't really jive with Cage or Punisher.
 
Except all the Snow in the first 10 or so episodes of Daredevil 3. Doesn't really jive with Cage or Punisher.

We may or may not just have to ignore that based on the fact that it sometimes snows in September in the Northern part of the United States.
Punisher S2 might have to spread out from September to October for it to work...It almost never snows in August, from what I've just read.

Basically:
late-August to early-September
Luke Cage S2

September (post-Luke Cage S2)

The Punisher S2 Ep 1 - 5
Daredevil S3 Ep. 1 - 7

early-to-mid-October
Daredevil S3 Ep 8 - 13
The Punisher S2 Ep 6 - 13
 
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We may or may not just have to ignore that based on the fact that it sometimes snows in September in the Northern part of the United States.
Punisher S2 might have to spread out from September to October for it to work...It almost never snows in August, from what I've just read.

Basically:
late-August to early-September
Luke Cage S2

September (post-Luke Cage S2)

The Punisher S2 Ep 1 - 5
Daredevil S3 Ep. 1 - 7

early-to-mid-October
Daredevil S3 Ep 8 - 13
The Punisher S2 Ep 6 - 13

Other than part of episode 1 of DD S3 crossing with the end of Defenders, of course. I watched the first 15 min of DD, just because of this fact.

I've definitely seen snow in September and October, born in Cleveland, OH. I'll watch the above for my first watch when I get there and see how it goes, as soon as I finish the second half of Shield S4.
 
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates lately. I'll update the timeline with Punisher season 2 soon.

In Punisher 2x11, at around 20:45, the ID of the nurse's uniform that Amy steals is valid between 01/18 and 01/20. So if we go with prop dates, then that might be evidence for 2018.

I'll admit that I do prefer the placement of Daredevil season 3 in early 2017. But as Pro Bot said, it's most likely after Luke Cage season 2. Not to mention that the Iron Fist season 2 description implies it to be set before Daredevil comes back:

https://www.cbr.com/iron-fist-season-2-synopsis/

Season 2 furthers the transformation of Danny, a character with a fish out of water coming of age story making his way in a harsh new world, battling to work out who he is. This season, Danny has promised that with Matt Murdock gone, he will step up and protect his city. But a sinister plot twist threatens his very identity and he must conquers his villains to protect the town and people he holds close to his heart.

So it looks like, at the very least, Luke Cage s2 and Iron Fist s2 are both set after The Defenders but before Daredevil s3. If we take this information into account, then we'd have to ignore the prop dates, which I'm fine with, but it would also mean that we'd have to push The Defenders back a few months so that Luke Cage season 2 takes place in August-September.

Based on the information in Daredevil season 3, it would seem to be taking place in early 2017. But my decision to place it in late 2017 was based on its relationship to the other Netflix seasons.

Any suggestions on how to work this out?
 
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I think if we ignored too many prop dates, we'd have to do the same for all the other ones through-out the MCU. That's not gonna work at all.

I'm not even sure what kind of problems moving Iron Fist S2 to January 2017 would cause. Yet Luke Cage S2 is definitely cemented in the Fall.
Hmmm...
 
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I notice you capitalised AoS alternative timeline. May I ask why?

For The Punisher S2, just go for your gut. We it can work out later.
 
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I just watched Agents of SHIELD season 4 on Netflix. Anyone else have a problem playing episode 22 on TVs? It works fine on my phone, but if I try to cast it to Chrome cast or play via the Netflix Wii U app, it either freezes or the audio is way out of sync. Again, on my Android phone itself, it plays just fine. Never had this problem with any other show, episode or movie. Anyone else?
 
I just watched Agents of SHIELD season 4 on Netflix. Anyone else have a problem playing episode 22 on TVs? It works fine on my phone, but if I try to cast it to Chrome cast or play via the Netflix Wii U app, it either freezes or the audio is way out of sync. Again, on my Android phone itself, it plays just fine. Never had this problem with any other show, episode or movie. Anyone else?
Here, in the UK, we don't have AoS. I don't recall anything like that happening nonetheless.
 
Haha, no I meant AoS. Does it not air in the UK? It's my favorite of all the Marvel shows.
 
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Hey so, what do you guys think.about the whole president issue in the MCU? They mention Obama in Luke Cage, Runaways and one of Cap's books in Winter Soldier. Then Hillary Clinton is mentioned in Runaways. Of course, the MCU has President Ellis, seen in AoS, Iron Man 3 and WHiH segments. I like the fan theory that Obama was president for one term from 08-12, then he lost to Ellis in 2012, due to the "incident". Then I think Ellis went up against Clinton in 2016 and beat her as well. I still haven't seen Runaways (either season), but I guess some people in it are upset that Clinton lost. I guess it's just because they wanted a woman president.

I have to rewatch Iron Man 3 to see how everything fits with Killian's dialouge and everything. For you UK guys, the US presidential term is 4 years, with a maximum of 8 years if re-elected. I have no idea how elections/ King and Queen stuff work outside of the US myself.
 
Hey so, what do you guys think.about the whole president issue in the MCU? They mention Obama in Luke Cage, Runaways and one of Cap's books in Winter Soldier. Then Hillary Clinton is mentioned in Runaways. Of course, the MCU has President Ellis, seen in AoS, Iron Man 3 and WHiH segments. I like the fan theory that Obama was president for one term from 08-12, then he lost to Ellis in 2012, due to the "incident". Then I think Ellis went up against Clinton in 2016 and beat her as well. I still haven't seen Runaways (either season), but I guess some people in it are upset that Clinton lost. I guess it's just because they wanted a woman president.

I have to rewatch Iron Man 3 to see how everything fits with Killian's dialouge and everything. For you UK guys, the US presidential term is 4 years, with a maximum of 8 years if re-elected. I have no idea how elections/ King and Queen stuff work outside of the US myself.
Nah, we don't really care about that royal family thing. The Queen just goes "alright mate. That law is fine" and they are only really important for tourists. as for the president thing, i completely agree with that theory.
 
There are two new books out that tie in to Captain Marvel. Not 100% sure if they're canon, but I'm starting to read them. I'll keep updated on timeline placement.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L54FDJQ/?tag=tcbcom-20https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07L51XC3S/?tag=tcbcom-20
I finished reading Captain Marvel: Higher, Further, Faster. It takes place over the course of Carol Danvers' first year at the Air Force Academy. Specifically, Chapters 1-12 take place in 1983, while Chapters 13-20 are in 1984.
 
Hey so, what do you guys think.about the whole president issue in the MCU? They mention Obama in Luke Cage, Runaways and one of Cap's books in Winter Soldier. Then Hillary Clinton is mentioned in Runaways. Of course, the MCU has President Ellis, seen in AoS, Iron Man 3 and WHiH segments. I like the fan theory that Obama was president for one term from 08-12, then he lost to Ellis in 2012, due to the "incident". Then I think Ellis went up against Clinton in 2016 and beat her as well. I still haven't seen Runaways (either season), but I guess some people in it are upset that Clinton lost. I guess it's just because they wanted a woman president.

I have to rewatch Iron Man 3 to see how everything fits with Killian's dialouge and everything. For you UK guys, the US presidential term is 4 years, with a maximum of 8 years if re-elected. I have no idea how elections/ King and Queen stuff work outside of the US myself.
The only problem with that theory is that Ellis' term wouldn't start until February 2013, when he is clearly President in Iron Man 3 at the end of 2012. Maybe Obama was impeached so Ellis' term could begin earlier?
 
Hey so, what do you guys think.about the whole president issue in the MCU? They mention Obama in Luke Cage, Runaways and one of Cap's books in Winter Soldier. Then Hillary Clinton is mentioned in Runaways. Of course, the MCU has President Ellis, seen in AoS, Iron Man 3 and WHiH segments. I like the fan theory that Obama was president for one term from 08-12, then he lost to Ellis in 2012, due to the "incident". Then I think Ellis went up against Clinton in 2016 and beat her as well. I still haven't seen Runaways (either season), but I guess some people in it are upset that Clinton lost. I guess it's just because they wanted a woman president.

I have to rewatch Iron Man 3 to see how everything fits with Killian's dialouge and everything. For you UK guys, the US presidential term is 4 years, with a maximum of 8 years if re-elected. I have no idea how elections/ King and Queen stuff work outside of the US myself.

There is a YOUTUBE VIDEO which goes over all the relevant information related to this. The only wrinkle is the 'obama administration' comment in Runaways which I have stated on many other sites was because Runaways was never actually stated as being MCU...until it was...one month before season 1 premiered.
 
There is a YOUTUBE VIDEO which goes over all the relevant information related to this. The only wrinkle is the 'obama administration' comment in Runaways which I have stated on many other sites was because Runaways was never actually stated as being MCU...until it was...one month before season 1 premiered.
All easily explained. Obama was president from 2008 to 2012. When Killian talks about "dodging the president's stance" he doesnt say WHICH president. He could have just meant "in general". All presidents would likely be against Killian's weapons stuff.

January, 2012
Obama sings the Al Green song during his campain, while campaigning against Ellis.

May, 2012
The Chitauri invasion happens. This, in addition to implications in regards to the Roxxon oil spill that happened during Obama's administration has him shaken. He's has not prepared himself for an alien invasion.

November 6, 2012
Presidenial election. Ellis wins against Obama. Obama says, "Hey man, you already won this thing. You're prepared for aliens and stuff? Not me man, I'm out. The office is all yours." Due to the circumstances, Obama is allowed to step down and leave office a few months early.

November 13, 2012 (one week after the election)
The media reports that Obama has stepped down slightly early and has allowed Ellis to take his place.

State of the Union address
Obama: "Hello, American citizens. In 2001, there was a deadly terrorist attack in New York City. A few months ago, New York City was attacked again. By aliens, space aliens! Luckily, a secret organization, called The Avengers, was able to thwart thier plans and send them packing. I apologize that I was ill-prepared for the Chitauri invasion. Human terrorists are one thing, but terrorists from outer space? I'm sorry, I'm still trying to wrap my brain around that. Last week, the great people of The United States of America have elected Matthew Ellis in my place. We've been talking, and we have come to the conclusion that President Elect Ellis would be far more suited to handle any potential further otherworldly threats, with the help of The Avengers. With great sadness, I hope that the people of this great nation will understand, that today will be my final day in office. Any questions you may have will be addressed to and responded by our new president. Ladies and gentlemen, I now present to you, President Matthew Ellis."

Maybe he stays around for a bit to pack up and fill Ellis in on what's been going on. Maybe Ellis witnessed the Captain Marvel events, and from that day forward, devoted his life to understanding superheroes and thier foes. Hey, there's never been a real life alien invasion, so this is all plausable.

December 2012 to January, 2013
Ellis has been president for a little over a month now. He ends up getting kidnapped by Killian during the events of Iron Man 3. Again, I need to watch the movie again to see exactly what transpires in regards to mentions of presidency.

November, 2016
Ellis runs against Hillary Clinton and wins his second term. Ellis is, and has always been a great, well respected president. However, some people want to make history, and elect our first female president. Hey, we had a black guy, so why not a woman now? (That's the only reason I personally voted for Obama, wrong reasons be damned. I don't care about politics at all, but I was tired of seeing nothing but white dudes as president, and I am white myself.) For mainly this reason (still no female president), some of the Runaways are upset. (By the way, I still haven't watched any episodes of Runaways.)
 
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All easily explained. Obama was president from 2008 to 2012. When Killian talks about "dodging the president's stance" he doesnt say WHICH president. He could have just meant "in general". All presidents would likely be against Killian's weapons stuff.

January, 2012
Obama sings the Al Green song during his campain, while campaigning against Ellis.

May, 2012
The Chitauri invasion happens. This, in addition to implications in regards to the Roxxon oil spill that happened during Obama's administration has him shaken. He's has not prepared himself for an alien invasion.

November 6, 2012
Presidenial election. Ellis wins against Obama. Obama says, "Hey man, you already won this thing. You're prepared for aliens and stuff? Not me man, I'm out. The office is all yours." Due to the circumstances, Obama is allowed to step down and leave office a few months early. Maybe he stays around for a bit to pack up and fill Ellis in on what's been going on. Maybe Ellis witnessed the Captain Marvel events, and from that day forward, devoted his life to understanding superheroes and thier foes. Hey, there's never been a real life alien invasion, so this is all plausable.

December 2012 to January, 2013
Ellis has been president for a little over a month now. He ends up getting kidnapped by Killian during the events of Iron Man 3. Again, I need to watch the movie again to see exactly what transpires in regards to mentions of presidency.

November, 2016
Ellis runs against Hillary Clinton and wins his second term. Ellis is, and has always been a great, well respected president. However, some people want to make history, and elect our first female president. Hey, we had a black guy, so why not a woman now? (That's the only reason I personally voted for Obama, wrong reasons be damned. I don't care about politics at all, but I was tired of seeing nothing but white dudes as president, and I am white myself.) For mainly this reason (still no female president), some of the Runaways are upset. (By the way, I still haven't watched any episodes of Runaways.)
He literally states in the video why Ellis was president from 2008-2012...Iron Man 3 takes place in December 2012, and a president isn't 'sworn in' until January 2013. Even if someone else won the election the next 4 years, Ellis had to be the 'sitting president' until at least January 2013, which means he was president from 2008-2012, won re-election and was the 'sitting president' until January 2017.

Or the quote from 'President Ellis' in the Cap exhibit after his return in 2011.

I have discussed this with many people and it seems people 'REALLY WANT' Obama to exist as president in the MCU and toss the sitting president information to the wind just to make it work. Is it that hard to believe that in a work of fiction, a fictional president is the president and Obama wasn't?
 
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He literally states in the video why Ellis was president from 2008-2012...Iron Man 3 takes place in December 2012, and a president isn't 'sworn in' until January 2013. Even if someone else won the election the next 4 years, Ellis had to be the 'sitting president' until at least January 2013, which means he was president from 2008-2012, won re-election and was the 'sitting president' until January 2017.

Or the quote from 'President Ellis' in the Cap exhibit after his return in 2011.

I have discussed this with many people and it seems people 'REALLY WANT' Obama to exist as president in the MCU and toss the sitting president information to the wind just to make it work. Is it that hard to believe that in a work of fiction, a fictional president is the president and Obama wasn't?

I understand what you're saying, but given the circumstances, something that's NEVER happened in the history of the universe (the alien invasion), I'm sure the government could make an exception and let Obama leave 2 months early. It's not that far-fetched. If Luke Cage and Runaways never mentioned Clinton or Obama, no, I wouldn't want them in the MCU. However, what's done is done, and this is the best way to make everything work. You can't base everything 100% the same as real life, since we don't have superpowers or aliens. Is it that hard to believe that a "sitting president" can move to "president" two months early? Even when there were aliens attacking the Earth, and super powers exist?

And Cap came back in April of 2012 (while Ellis was campaigning in my theory), so my theory still works. Plus, who's to say they added that quote/ built that Smithsonian tribute AS SOON AS CAP WAS UNFROZEN? It probably took a few months/ years. Besides all that, the whole purpose of this timeline is to make everything fit together in a way that makes sense. There are lots of gaps we have to fill in ourselves. Other than the 2 months early deal, this way works PERFECTLY. And IMO, based on the fact that the MCU has aliens and powered humans, works 100%.

April
The Avengers - Prelude: Fury's Big Week #4, "Chapter 8" (pg. 11)
Captain America - The First Avenger Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:03:38 )
The Avengers - Prelude: Fury's Big Week #4, "Chapter 8" (pg. 12-20)
Captain America - The First Avenger Chapter 16 (1:50:38 - 1:53:37)
Captain America - The First Avenger #2 (pg. 18-20)
 
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I understand what you're saying, but given the circumstances, something that's NEVER happened in the history of the universe (the alien invasion), I'm sure the government could make an exception and let Obama leave 2 months early. It's not that far-fetched. If Luke Cage and Runaways never mentioned Clinton or Obama, no, I wouldn't want them in the MCU. However, what's done is done, and this is the best way to make everything work. You can't base everything 100% the same as real life, since we don't have superpowers or aliens. Is it that hard to believe that a "sitting president" can move to "president" two months early? Even when there were aliens attacking the Earth, and super powers exist?

And Cap came back in April of 2012 (while Ellis was campaigning in my theory), so my theory still works. Plus, who's to say they added that quote/ built that Smithsonian tribute AS SOON AS CAP WAS UNFROZEN? It probably took a few months/ years.

See what I mean? It MUST work for you for some reason. I really don't get it, but there are those out there that believe that Obama MUST be president in some form or fashion. It's just handwaving to make it work. The link covers Luke Cage references too (did you actually watch it?), the only thing it doesn't cover is Runaways, of which I have already stated why it slipped into the MCU.

You originally asked what we on here thought of the issue. Ok, here it goes. It isn't an issue because there is no issue. Ellis was president for both terms, and Obama at least 'ran for president'. There is enough evidence to support this in both the movies and the shows.
 
See what I mean? It MUST work for you for some reason. I really don't get it, but there are those out there that believe that Obama MUST be president in some form or fashion. It's just handwaving to make it work. The link covers Luke Cage references too (did you actually watch it?), the only thing it doesn't cover is Runaways, of which I have already stated why it slipped into the MCU.

You originally asked what we on here thought of the issue. Ok, here it goes. It isn't an issue because there is no issue. Ellis was president for both terms, and Obama at least 'ran for president'. There is enough evidence to support this in both the movies and the shows.

What about the "issue" of Matt Ellis being president for over 8 years? Isn't he still pres in the MCU?

Yes I did watch that video, and Luke Cage season 1 (just started on season 2). I know they don't say PRESIDENT Obama. But what about Runaways, where they say something about "you haven't had a date since the Obama administration "? And the Clinton references (which I guess could work either way). Doesn't matter if Runaways was an MCU afterthought. It's in the MCU now. The whole purpose of this timeline is to make everything fit better together. I'm American, and I understand (somewhat, I don't really care) how our elections work. Who gives a rat's ass about the whole sitting president thing? Like I said, their world has aliens, time travel, super heroes, magic dimensions, etc. That's all believeable, but a president leaving SLIGHTLY before his time is "inconceivable"? (Wallace Shawn voice)
 
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What about the "issue" of Matt Ellis being president for over 8 years? Isn't he still pres in the MCU?

Yes I did watch that video, and Luke Cage season 1 (just started on season 2). I know they don't say PRESIDENT Obama. But what about Runaways, where they say something about "you haven't had a date since the Obama administration "? And the Clinton references (which I guess could work either way). Doesn't matter if Runaways was an MCU afterthought. It's in the MCU now. The whole purpose of this timeline is to make everything fit better together. I'm American, and I understand (somewhat, I don't really care) how our elections work. Who gives a rat's ass about the whole sitting president thing? Like I said, their world has aliens, time travel, super heroes, magic dimensions, etc. That's all believeable, but a present leaving SLIGHTLY before his time is "inconceivable"? (Wallace Shawn voice)

The last time he was physically seen on screen was the March 21, 2016 according to this guide, which is well within his second term. Former Presidents are still referred to as Mr President or President Whomever after they have left office, so mentions of him beyond that point are acceptable.

But you have clearly made up your mind about who you want as the presidents in your head canon, even though you asked our thoughts, so any further debate is pointless. I apologize for engaging you in this. Have a good day.
 
The last time he was physically seen on screen was the March 21, 2016 according to this guide, which is well within his second term. Former Presidents are still referred to as Mr President or President Whomever after they have left office, so mentions of him beyond that point are acceptable.

But you have clearly made up your mind about who you want as the presidents in your head canon, even though you asked our thoughts, so any further debate is pointless. I apologize for engaging you in this. Have a good day.
No, no, I appreciate the discussion. It seems we both have made up our minds. That's what forums are all about. To discuss things that we may have differing opinons on. Your (and the guy who made the video) only real problem is the whole "sitting president" issue, which, in my opinion is really not a big deal at all, and I've found a way to make it work. At least joshjodalton and Pro Bot agree with me on at least some level. It's ok to have differing opinions and all that. I appreciate your feedback, and it's helped me figure out things I need to be the way I need them to be in my own head canon. I just have to have everything fit together neatly like a puzzle.

Also in my MCU head canon, due to Ed Norton Banner's experimentation with Sterns, he lost both of his original Hulk and human forms and became Mark Ruffalo Banner and the Hulk we see today. Also, Terrance Howard's Rhodey was in a horrible car accident that disfigured his face. He had to have radical reconstructive surgery and ended up looking like Don Cheadle. Then he lost the use of his legs to Vision years later. Poor guy. Can't catch a break! I even made fan videos of both of these "incidents". All of the other cast changes can be chalked up to age (Howard Stark) and not that noticeable (Fandral).

Still trying to figure out some head canon to make Logan come before the future part of Days of Future Past. Like this would have happened if Logan was unsuccessful in 1973. Sort of like the Zelda split timelines. I like my superhero movies to have warm fuzzy endings.
 
Are we going to set a closing date for the Punisher/ DD vote before making it official on the timeline? Seems like a fair way to settle the harder to place stuff. I imagine after Phase 3 everything should be set in stone, allowing for all follow up shows/ films to have no effect on the placements which will make things easier.
 
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