Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 5)

Pro Bot said:
It makes all the sacrifices and events in those films meaningless, though. That's the issue. It's narratively unsatisfying to just kill them all off.
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Killing them off can definitely work with the right plot, I just don't think they should bring them back if they do. Killing them off for no reason is a good way to show how powerful/amoral the villain is (for example) and even then movies don't have to be narratively satisfying to be good. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre ended with no sense of catharsis, which is the main reason the BBFC gave for banning it in the uk for 20 years, yet it's now praised for its unsatisfying ending, because it's unsatisfying ending is satisfying
 
Pro Bot said:
Secret Invasion is art, you're just a hater. Way better than Daredevil. It's a bit sexist that my favorite female superhero, Raava/War Machine, wasn't in the "girls get it done" scene in Avengers: Endgame. Don Cheadle played a very attractive woman in that film.
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... I know that's trying to be joking and all, but it kinda peevs me a bit.
 
stphylcccs said:
Killing them off can definitely work with the right plot, I just don't think they should bring them back if they do. Killing them off for no reason is a good way to show how powerful/amoral the villain is (for example) and even then movies don't have to be narratively satisfying to be good. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre ended with no sense of catharsis, which is the main reason the BBFC gave for banning it in the uk for 20 years, yet it's now praised for its unsatisfying ending, because it's unsatisfying ending is satisfying
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You don't have to kill off THE versions of characters from these films, though. You have an entire multiverse to do that. There was a planned sequence where Thanos kills all of the 2015 Avengers in Avengers: Endgame, just so show how strong he is.

Bringing back legacy characters just to kill them off is a lazy way to get people to care. You don't have to work hard to do it, they already care because of someone else's hard work. Luke Skywalker's death in Star Wars: Episode VIII: The Last Jedi didn't need to happen. It was lame. Killing off all the characters you like and leaving you with all the ones you aren't keen on makes watching the movie bitter and less exciting. Heck, I'd even compare it to killing off an adorable dog in a movie... did they have to work hard in John Wick to make you like the dog, or was it simply effective because we love dogs?

As for your argument on The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, I think that leaving a viewer with a sense of dread and unease is GOOD. That can be satisfying, and it doesn't require bringing back a character from a 20+ year old movie and destroying their entire universe, rendering the entire film series canonically meaningless.
 
stphylcccs said:
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre ended with no sense of catharsis, which is the main reason the BBFC gave for banning it in the uk for 20 years, yet it's now praised for its unsatisfying ending, because it's unsatisfying ending is satisfying
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In fairness, the BBFC back then was run by old idiots and moral guardians who didn't want any "bad influences" on the UK public, even stuff like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles being censored IIRC. You can thank the likes of Mary Whitehouse and James Ferman for stuff like Texas Chainsaw Massacre being labelled a Video Nasty for decades.
 
stphylcccs said:
Not gonna lie, I'm kinda sick of the good guys always winning. It's unrealistic, and has just gotten rid of all stakes.
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See:
Ironheart (4 months ago)
Pro Bot said:
It was lame. Killing off all the characters you like and leaving you with all the ones you aren't keen on makes watching the movie bitter and less exciting.
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See: Logan (2017)
 
barryh said:
See:
Ironheart (4 months ago)

See: Logan (2017)
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Ah, but Logan didn't exactly do it for cheap nostalgia heartstring reasons. It was earned, and it certainly wasn't the same thing as destroying the whole universe. He died for a reason. What would Tobey die for if his entire universe got destroyed and all of his adventures were rendered pointless?
 
barryh said:
See:
Ironheart (4 months ago)

See: Logan (2017)
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Yeah, I know it does happen sometimes, and I love when big companies actually decide to do it, but usually it doesn't happen. Obviously don't just bring back legacy to nostalgia bait, then kill off those universes, but I feel if they could do it right it work really well
 
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