The Overlord
Well-Known Member
Here's Marvel's list of the top ten villains in the UU:
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.5215.Take_10~colon~_Ultimate_Villains
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.5215.Take_10~colon~_Ultimate_Villains
These are my favorite villains, whom I also think are the best villains, in the Ultimate universe (in no particular order):
Dr. Octopus
Doom
Green Goblin
Colonel (and the other Liberators if you want to be more general)
Loki
Black Widow
Galactus (I don't know if anyone else did, but I liked Ultimate Galactus, the way they made him this huge hive-mind of drones that just goes and eradicates planets)
Kleiser (and the Chitauri in general)
Hulk (not really a full-blown supervillain....but I'm talking about the "Hulk Does Manhattan" incident)
Marvel's list kind of sucks; the Brotherhood hasn't really done much in 1610, and Kingpin just isn't that interesting. The image they used for Kingpin isn't even from the Ultimate universe I don't think. Venom looks cool, but his origin is lame. Kraven is more interesting in 1610 than 616, but I don't think he should make the top 10.
Rhona Burchill, the Ultimate Mad Thinker was genius before the X4 crossover.
Actually, that was in her first appearance. I thought that was awesome... and ****ing whack.I forgot about her! Yeah, she was cool before that stupid thing where they said that she took her brother's brain matter and put it in hers (thus creating Ultimate Andy). That doesn't make you super-smart, that makes you super-disfigured.
Ultimate Doom was awesome before Mark Millar touched him.
Ultimate Green Goblin was creepy awesomenss before he became a repetitive mess.
Nihil, aka Ultimate Annihilus is great and will stay great because he's dead as can be iin the Ulti-verse.
Mojo Adams, aka Ultimate Mojo.
Rhona Burchill, the Ultimate Mad Thinker was genius before the X4 crossover.
The Ultimate Psycho-Man from Carey's Silver Surfer arc, will probably be the greatest thing he'll ever write for UFF.
I actually he thought Ultimate Doom encapsulated forty years worth of bastard-eriness into a single character very well, but maybe I read more into it as a hardcore Fantastic Four fan.The only one I disagree with is Doom, I thought his first arc was kinda lame, he didn't seem to have the same level of magnificent Bastard-ness that 616 Doom, he seemed kinda like a bum and the goat feet were kinda stupid.
I actually he thought Ultimate Doom encapsulated forty years worth of bastard-eriness into a single character very well, but maybe I read more into it as a hardcore Fantastic Four fan.
I mean the entirety of his debut arc is all about his psychologically unhinged sense of self-superiority.
616 Doom is driven by a petty sense of self-superiority. He is so driven to prove that he is Reed's better that he constantly endangers any potential chances at functional relationships and governs a country solely for his own vanity.
Ultimate Doom is taught that he is the direct descendant of great people, but over and over he gets ***** smacked by his Daddy about how he never seems to prove to be worthy of it.
Can you imagine how ****ed up that is?
Being told that greatness is in your nature, but being so scorned by your dad because you haven't learned to nurture greatness?
And then after your dad gets exasperated with you, he just dumps you in boarding school and leaves you be, just so he doesn't have to deal with the shame that you are.
So when the accident happens, Doom is so unhinged that he is convinced his powers are the blessing, the greatness he deserved to have even if it means nobody will ever want to snog with his ugly face.
People think the essence of any Doom is about his 'regal sense of honor' and the 'grandiosity of his scheming.' Well it's not. Doom has always been a patently insecure jerk, driven mad by his desperate need to prove his self-worth.
Meet the new Doom, same as the old Doom.
even 616 Doom's origin is far more epic, then Ultimate doom's which seems like a standard, "daddy beat me and now I'm bad" kinda thing.
Well that's a key difference between the two, the UU is less epic (or was) and more real. Infact you could have made a great story about Doom's rise from Hippie minions to Doombots. Get into details of Doom rising in the Latverian ranks, infact it would be interesting to have the former ruler as a regular character and villain before Doom goes full on Bad ***. And by just immediately copying the 616 in his next appearance you ruin that potential
Never read the book of doom by Brubaker did you, the book that detailed Doom going from a mere gypsy peasant to the powerful villain we all today, Ultimate doom doing that would be old hat.
Dude sometimes I'm more then willing to give up realism for the sake of epic and dramatic story telling. Sure Ultimate doom is more realistic, but he is far less of a magnificent bastard then 616 doom. I am more then willing to trade to realism for more magnificent bastards.
I'm just saying the cronologically seeing the rise of Doom into the bad *** would have been better for the UU than just throwing in 616 Doom. I know Doom has a good "rise of" stories tale, but a unique one for the UU would have been better and more interesting
Because an epic origin is a better origin.
Sarcasm aside, this isn't to suggest that Ultimate Doom has the better origin (he doesn't) just that I maintain that he's worthy of at least half the stature accorded to 616 Doom because they are the same self-superior asswipe.
No, what makes Doom better than the Wizard is that his smug sense of self-superiority is better developed, and the fact that for all intents and purposes, he may actually BE the superior or equal of Richards.With Doom, yeah an epic origin is needed and is superior, that's one the things that makes him better then some loser like the Wizard. Like I said Doom getting beaten by his daddy is so generic, that's every psychopath's excuse.