So are UXM and UFF finished for good?

[The Overlord]

After Ultimatum, USM and Ultimates were relaunched, but not UFF and UXM, so are those titles done for good?

 

[the watcher]

After Ultimatum, USM and Ultimates were relaunched, but not UFF and UXM, so are those titles done for good?

Most likely. Unless marvel gets the ideal of a New Ultimate Fantastic Four or Ultimate Fantastic Force featuring a different cast. Or Like The Young X-Men, X-Factor, etc., etc.

 

[ProjectX2]

Jeph Loeb and Art Adams are working on an Ultimate series that hasn't been revealed yet so it could possibly be one of these.

 

[vmenge]

Jeph Loeb and Art Adams are working on an Ultimate series that hasn't been revealed yet so it could possibly be one of these.

I hope not
While I think the fate of some characters from UFF and UXM will be dealt with on UCSM and UCA, I hope they appear in a mini of sorts.

 

[The Overlord]

Jeph Loeb and Art Adams are working on an Ultimate series that hasn't been revealed yet so it could possibly be one of these.

It seems like those titles should remain canceled if the alternative is ending up in Loeb's hands.

 

[The Overlord]

Anyway considering most of the major heroes and villains of UXM are now dead, is there anything that could be done with that title?

 

[Gemini]

Anyway considering most of the major heroes and villains of UXM are now dead, is there anything that could be done with that title?

well the x-mythos has always been one of the deepest wells character-wise. There's alot more fish in that pond

 

[The Overlord]

well the x-mythos has always been one of the deepest wells character-wise. There's alot more fish in that pond

I guess, but does anyone want to read about ultimate maggot or Ultimate Skin instead of Wolverine, Cyclops and Xavier? They have kinda hit the same impasse the film series has hit, by killing off some the most interesting characters its hard to maintain the franchise. Sure there are a lot of characters in the X-universe, but a lot of them are not interesting concepts.

Plus with Magneto dead and Kirkman wasting Apocalypse and Sinster, there are very few Big Bads left for the UXM to fight. At this point all we might end up with is Ultimate Maggot fighting Ultimate Sugarman.

 

[Gemini]

I guess, but does anyone want to read about ultimate maggot or Ultimate Skin instead of Wolverine, Cyclops and Xavier? They have kinda hit the same impasse the film series has hit, by killing off some the most interesting characters its hard to maintain the franchise. Sure there are a lot of characters in the X-universe, but a lot of them are not interesting concepts.

Plus with Magneto dead and Kirkman wasting Apocalypse and Sinster, there are very few Big Bads left for the UXM to fight. At this point all we might end up with is Ultimate Maggot fighting Ultimate Sugarman.

You're making quite a few leaps of judgement there.

Quicksilver setting himself up as a new big-bad could work if handled by the right writer.

There's Magus and the technarchy, they could be re-worked as a computer virus that's developed a consciousness, that start out as a harmless neucense, but as they absorb more and more technology, gain the ability to jump to organic life. and specifically target mutants and super-humans for their enhanced abilities.

 

[Ice]

You're making quite a few leaps of judgement there.

Quicksilver setting himself up as a new big-bad could work if handled by the right writer.

There's Magus and the technarchy, they could be re-worked as a computer virus that's developed a consciousness, that start out as a harmless neucense, but as they absorb more and more technology, gain the ability to jump to organic life. and specifically target mutants and super-humans for their enhanced abilities.

Now that's good thinking.

 

[Zombipanda]

You know what wicked cool villain we haven't seen in the Ultimate Universe yet?

Besides which, there's no need to put so much focus on "villains". Not every comic book needs to be about the superhero/super villain dynamic, especially not X-Men. Personally, I feel X-Men always works better when it's a book that focuses primarily on mutants as a social phenomenon more than as a superhero team. The implications of mutantcy should have far more complicated implications than just "Who's a good guy and who's a bad guy". The UU is way past the point where we can just focus on "Who to ultimize next". Each book needs a new, dramatic direction that distinguishes it from its mainstream counterpart and doesn't rely on the crutch of just reduxing old characters.

 

[Gemini]

I always liked the idea of having the Brotherhood be more of an anarchist brit-punk revolution at any cost type gang, compared to the private school set-up for the x-men.

Having the initial conflicts being mainly caused by naive x-students being suckered into the brotherhoods apparent benefits (like the kids being recruited for the foot in the first tmnt movie)

 

[Random]

You know what wicked cool villain we haven't seen in the Ultimate Universe yet?

Besides which, there's no need to put so much focus on "villains". Not every comic book needs to be about the superhero/super villain dynamic, especially not X-Men. Personally, I feel X-Men always works better when it's a book that focuses primarily on mutants as a social phenomenon more than as a superhero team. The implications of mutantcy should have far more complicated implications than just "Who's a good guy and who's a bad guy". The UU is way past the point where we can just focus on "Who to ultimize next". Each book needs a new, dramatic direction that distinguishes it from its mainstream counterpart and doesn't rely on the crutch of just reduxing old characters.

I really liked the arc with Xavier on a speech tour and when his faith in his mission is failing an amnesia ridden Magneto reaffirms his belief. Not only was that a great moment but the arc focus on how the X-Men were doing this to build their support. Like Jean Grey helping to find missing children. Or a story like Gambit helping a kid. They could really make an interesting title without a single super villain if they wanted.

 

[Gemini]

That gambit story with the kid, was so awesome

a must read for anyone with any sort of approval of the character

I loved that they randomly associated him with hammerhead

 

[Ice]

That gambit story with the kid, was so awesome

a must read for anyone with any sort of approval of the character

I loved that they randomly associated him with hammerhead

And by Chuck Austen, which is surprisingly enough. But yes, it's a great one.

 

[Zombipanda]

Well, what I mean is, I think there would be broader social implications for mutants. With more traditional super powers, it's like, you're either a scientist or a soldier, so the characters are already established in these pretty clear lines of career paths. But with mutations, anyone can be a mutant, and most of them aren't going to be like "Oh. I'm going to be a superhero now". I'd imagine most of them aren't even going to suddenly think "I need to get on this mutant rights bandwagon now!" They're going to apply their powers to whatever fields they're interested in. You would see film and music and all varieties of science radically altered. There's all the talk of mutants as the next step of evolution, but this is on a macro level, not a micro one. There's the potential in these guys to revolutionize the energy crisis, world food shortages, global warming, to completely upend any number of industries and in the process completely upend traditional economics and politics as we know it, not through any active sense of "mutant power" revolution. ****, just by existing they are revolutionary.

 

[Gemini]

And by Chuck Austen, which is surprisingly enough. But yes, it's a great one.

I know it's crazy right?

 

[compound]

There's all the talk of mutants as the next step of evolution, but this is on a macro level, not a micro one. There's the potential in these guys to revolutionize the energy crisis, world food shortages, global warming, to completely upend any number of industries and in the process completely upend traditional economics and politics as we know it, not through any active sense of "mutant power" revolution. ****, just by existing they are revolutionary.

Zombipanda hit the nail right on the head! And it's precisely crucial to explore this possibility in the Ultimate universe, because Decimation effectively ruined the chance to explore the idea further in the mainstream MU continuity (at least until M Day is reversed, though i'm actually beginning to doubt that will ever happen, at this point).

It can be an Ultimate book about Mutants, and it should probably have the "X" branding (for marketing sake) but it doesn't need to be an X Men book, or even directly linked to the core themes of integration/mutant rights/Xavier's dream. (I suppose it will *need* to at least acknowledge the reality of mutant discrimination. But there are plenty of ways to do that, without putting the issue front and center.)

 

[Gemini]

Yeah I always thought the civil/gay rights allegory used for the x-men since forever was really missing the big picture when it comes to a genetic leap that allows something as significant as super-powers.

 

[Zombipanda]

Zombipanda hit the nail right on the head! And it's precisely crucial to explore this possibility in the Ultimate universe, because Decimation effectively ruined the chance to explore the idea further in the mainstream MU continuity (at least until M Day is reversed, though i'm actually beginning to doubt that will ever happen, at this point).

It can be an Ultimate book about Mutants, and it should probably have the "X" branding (for marketing sake) but it doesn't need to be an X Men book, or even directly linked to the core themes of integration/mutant rights/Xavier's dream. (I suppose it will *need* to at least acknowledge the reality of mutant discrimination. But there are plenty of ways to do that, without putting the issue front and center.)

I need to get my pitch up for Ultimatum done right. It would totally set the stage for something to that effect.

And on an even geekier note, me and some friends run an online roleplaying game playing with many of the same themes, playing with the fundamental changes that a "mutant boom" would have on the world at large. It's actually worked out surprisingly well so far. Mutation as self-willed evolution, willful transhumanism.