Avengers Steve Rogers: Captain America (Discussion/Spoilers)

[Ice]

Marvel Announces Steve Rogers To Return As Captain America

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Current Cap Sam Wilson will remain in the role, meaning Marvel will have two Captain Americas.


"When Steve handed the shield to Sam, it didn't come with any caveats. It's his. Steve respects and admires what his old partner is doing, and wants him to carry on," Spencer told Marvel.com. "There are enough problems out there, and enough bad guys, to keep both of them busy. They'll have very different missions; Sam will continue fighting the battles no one else will go near, while Steve is faced with a resurgent threat from his past: Hydra is back, and stronger than ever."

 

[DIrishB]

Marvel Announces Steve Rogers To Return As Captain America

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Current Cap Sam Wilson will remain in the role, meaning Marvel will have two Captain Americas.


"When Steve handed the shield to Sam, it didn't come with any caveats. It's his. Steve respects and admires what his old partner is doing, and wants him to carry on," Spencer told Marvel.com. "There are enough problems out there, and enough bad guys, to keep both of them busy. They'll have very different missions; Sam will continue fighting the battles no one else will go near, while Steve is faced with a resurgent threat from his past: Hydra is back, and stronger than ever."

Absolutely NO ONE saw this coming...

 

[E]

That shield is really stupid.

 

[wyokid]

Nick Spencer is on Captain America now?

 

[wyokid]

**** Marvel, this is One More Day level character ruining. http://www.theouthousers.com/index....ill-spoil-captain-america-steve-rogers-1.html

 

[Captain Canuck]

**** Marvel, this is One More Day level character ruining. http://www.theouthousers.com/index....ill-spoil-captain-america-steve-rogers-1.html

That might actually be worse, as much as I hate OMD. It doesn't even make any sense at all.

 

[Ice]

**** Marvel, this is One More Day level character ruining. http://www.theouthousers.com/index....ill-spoil-captain-america-steve-rogers-1.html

That is only issue 1. You don't know if that's actually true or there's more to it than that.

 

[wyokid]

The current theory is Red Skull using his psychic powers to manipulate Steve. Even if it's a fake out it's still incredibly dumb.

 

[E]

Or he's a double agent, or it's not really him, etc. etc. We should know better than to get all worked into a lather about this.

The writing itself, saying nothing of the plot and this twist, was subpar.

And since when is Sharon an old woman?

0/10. Garbage.

 

[Captain Canuck]

Or he's a double agent, or it's not really him, etc. etc. We should know better than to get all worked into a lather about this.

Should we know better than to get worked up, or should you know better than to try and reason with us?

 

[wyokid]

I ended up reading this in the store, don't usually do that, but I was too curious and the owner said he didn't care. The twist obviously shows that something is amiss, but it was still very clunky in the handling. What's more is, and I know this is Red Skull's thing to prey on people's insecurities, but the strawmanning of the refugees debate was in incredibly poor taste and boiled it down to "if you think this you're a Nazi, I'm not going to explain why you're wrong, you just are". Personally I don't have an opinion on the actual matter, I know both sides and understand why they think it, but I would never call any of them Nazis. Yes, it was in character with Red Skull, but it was in incredibly poor taste by Spencer who is a die hard Clinton supporter. I'm very much reminded why I don't usually buy Marvel with this issue and I'm ever more concerned with where the comic industry is headed.

 

[ProjectX2]

Or he's a double agent, or it's not really him, etc. etc. We should know better than to get all worked into a lather about this.

The writing itself, saying nothing of the plot and this twist, was subpar.

And since when is Sharon an old woman?

0/10. Garbage.

Battlestar Johngaltica.

 

[Ice]

Or he's a double agent, or it's not really him, etc. etc. We should know better than to get all worked into a lather about this.

Nick Spencer has said this is the actual Steve Rogers. Not an imposter, not mind controlled, actually Steve.

The writing itself, saying nothing of the plot and this twist, was subpar.

Disagree there. Well, about the writing. I thought it was just fine. The twist, that could've been handled better. It's just obvious (to me at least) this isn't what it seems like, even though people are jumping the gun thinking this is the "end all, be all" kind of moment.

And since when is Sharon an old woman?

When Rick Remender was writing Captain America, there was a point where Sharon was stuck in Dimension Z for like 10 years or more (don't remember if an exact amount was said). They thought her dead because of a bomb, but she came back, actually surviving it.

0/10. Garbage.

3/5. Not bad.

 

[E]

3/5. Not bad.

That equates to a D- on the grading scale. That's pretty bad.

 

[Ice]

That equates to a D- on the grading scale. That's pretty bad.

If you're using the incorrect one, sure.

 

[wyokid]

If you're using the incorrect one, sure.

3/5 = 6/10 60%/100% That's a D

 

[Captain Canuck]

3/5 = 6/10 60%/100% That's a D

At most schools in Canada, it's actually a C.

 

[wyokid]

At most schools in Canada, it's actually a C.

What the heck was an F then?

 

[Ice]

3/5 = 6/10 60%/100% That's a D

If you're doing actual math, sure. But when it comes to rating, 3/5 is not a D, otherwise most movies, music albums, etc., are a failure when critics rate them that.

 

[wyokid]

If you're doing actual math, sure. But when it comes to rating, 3/5 is not a D, otherwise most movies, music albums, etc., are a failure when critics rate them that.

I consider 3/5 a failure, but I'm also incredibly snobby and consider 8/10 as just okay lol

 

[Ice]

I consider 3/5 a failure, but I'm also incredibly snobby and consider 8/10 as just okay lol

If 3/5 is a failure then Rolling Stone hates everything since they use a 5-star rating system (at least when I read them) and on average they rated most of everything 3 stars. Also we'd all pretty much think movies were averagely bad here since we also use 5-star system for movies.

 

[Captain Canuck]

What the heck was an F then?

Below 50%.

It varies, but in most places up here, it's something like

80-100 A
70-79 B
60-69 C
50-59 D
0-49 F

But getting in the 80s is really hard. When I moved back here from living in the US I was sort of shocked by people who were getting 60s in school and were generally okay with it. But that's the grading rubrick here.

And it's not uniform in the US, either. I went to a college in Pennsylvania where 69.9% was an F.


But yeah, in rating things, 3/5, or 3 stars is sort of middle of the road, neither bad nor amazing.

 

[E]

80-100 A
70-79 B
60-69 C
50-59 D
0-49 F

You guys are too nice. I grew up with:

90-100 A (the low end of that - usually 90-92 or 93 - being A-)
80-89 B
70-79 C
60-69 D
59 and below F

 

[wyokid]

You guys are too nice. I grew up with:

90-100 A (the low end of that - usually 90-92 or 93 - being A-)
80-89 B
70-79 C
60-69 D
59 and below F

This is what I had too. It's what I use as my rating scale too

 

[Captain Canuck]

You guys are too nice. I grew up with:

90-100 A (the low end of that - usually 90-92 or 93 - being A-)
80-89 B
70-79 C
60-69 D
59 and below F

I grew up with something similar too (in the US). But again, the grading scale isn't 'nice' in Canada, the grading is harder, so it balances out. In other words, an 80% is an A-, but getting an 80% is generally much more difficult than getting an 80% in the US.

 

[Secret Z fan]

I come here and I get a discussion on ratings lol. Everyone has there own....

I was hoping to hear more discussion on #1 and #2

 

[Ice]

I come here and I get a discussion on ratings lol. Everyone has there own....

I was hoping to hear more discussion on #1 and #2

Well I'm enjoying it so far and all the people who thought Cap was always secretly Hydra were of course, obviously wrong. I noticed most people who cried foul haven't said a word when the truth was revealed. Others were claiming Marvel backtracked or moved up the reveal, that they scrambled to get a new issue published by the end of June (which is impossible). I like where Nick Spencer is going with this. The art is great too. Jesus Saiz is fantastic.