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BB10 said:
But there is a problem (besides the fact that the main Autobot cast having visited Earth before as shown in TLK is never addressed in the Expanded Universe comics). In the timeline that the Writers' Room came up with, it says that Megatron was trapped in the ice by the Witwiccans in the Victorian Era, instead of thousands of years ago like the comics established (timestamp: 2:50).
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I would personally count the thousands of years ago thing over that, simply because that was never established in the films, thus, no contradiction.
 
BB10 said:
I suppose Bumblebee coming to Earth in 2003 in Movie Prequel is no different than the other Autobots coming to Earth in 2007, despite the fact that they are implied to have been here far longer tham that according to the paintings in TLK.

But there is a problem (besides the fact that the main Autobot cast having visited Earth before as shown in TLK is never addressed in the Expanded Universe comics). In the timeline that the Writers' Room came up with, it says that Megatron was trapped in the ice by the Witwiccans in the Victorian Era, instead of thousands of years ago like the comics established (timestamp: 2:50).
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personally for me

every type of media > statements

so in this case

Comics > Statements
 
Pro Bot said:
I would personally count the thousands of years ago thing over that, simply because that was never established in the films, thus, no contradiction.
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Megatron said:
personally for me

every type of media > statements

so in this case

Comics > Statements
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IMO the timeline does have some validity, since it was the basis of the TLK film lore. Plus we do see a Transformer with TLK Megatron's design during the Krakatoa event in a promotional picture, leading validity to the Victorian era statement.
https://tformers.com/secret-past-im...rmers-the-last-knight-posters/31476/news.html
But I can see taking the already released comic over the Writer's Room timeline.
 
selfishmisery said:
A quick skimming through these, here's the order of those in-between stories:
1.) Operation H.I.S.S. comic - Cobra Commander and Destro remain captured, Storm Shadow is discovered to be alive. (Also, substitute the "weeks later"s for "hours later" in the story and there's no discrepancies.)
2.) G.I. JOE: Rise of Cobra (sequel video game) - Baroness escapes but game ends with her recaptured, while Cobra Commander and Destro escape
3.) G.I. JOE: Retaliation Prequel comic - ...I can't find info about the last two issues, so I'll assume Storm Shadow gets away at the end. BUT, he is now leader of the Red Ninja clan which he is shown to be still leading in the...
4.) Operation H.I.S.S. animated shorts - Baroness escapes at the start, but by the end Storm Shadow and Cobra Commander, implicitly Baroness AND Destro offscreen(?), all recaptured by the end

Then there's the 2nd film. Honestly, I can easily interpret the timespan of these 4 stories as happening as under 10 days tbh.

G.I. JOE: Rise of Cobra (film) - August 9-11th, 2015
Operation H.I.S.S. (comic) - August 11-13th, 2015
G.I. JOE: Rise of Cobra (video game) - August 13 - 14th, 2015
G.I. JOE: Retaliation Prequel (comic) - August 14-16th, 2015(?; I don't own the trade paperback)
Operation H.I.S.S. (animated shorts) - August 16-17th, 2015
G.I. JOE: Retaliation (film) - August 17-21st, 2015
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Is this based on this dialogue?

JAYE: This is the President on August 9th.

PRESIDENT: ...an addiction to offshore energy, where we're forced to be kind of embroiled in the affairs of foreign nations.

And this is 10 days later. I mean, otherwise, we're sort of... These are conversational fillers. Little phrases we spit out to give our brain a chance to catch up with our mouth. Like...
- Like.
- Yes.

ROADBLOCK: And our President? Between August 9th and August 19th, he stopped using "you know" and "kind of" and started using "I mean" and "sort of." But that's not all. "Supper" became "dinner." "Soda" became "pop." One President, two fingerprints. But it's a few words, right? I mean, how much can... Check this out. Two press conferences, July 31st, September 1st. See his fingers clasped? Left thumb on top versus right thumb on top. The same person never does this differently, it feels wrong. What if the President isn't the President?
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Doesn't the fact that they refer to September 1st as a date with the fake president imply that the movie is set after September 1st? Also, where'd the thing about it being set before 2016 come from? (I believe you, it's just that your explanation was the nuclear conference and I'm not sure I follow)
 
But then, the timeline is all screwed because it was the real president in the first film. You're just kinda ******. Maybe there's a month time jump in the sequel?
 
"15% reduction by 2016"
There we go, found it! Now the problem is the September 1st thing. I don't know how that fits with the established timeline. Regardless, the first film is definitely somewhere in that August 9th - August 19th gap, between the years 2009-2016.
 
Pro Bot said:
"15% reduction by 2016"
There we go, found it! Now the problem is the September 1st thing. I don't know how that fits with the established timeline. Regardless, the first film is definitely somewhere in that August 9th - August 19th gap, between the years 2009-2016.
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The reason I went with 2015 is because you see that year given onscreen.
Are you just reading the transcript?
 
In the Cyber Missions cartoon, which takes place after ROTF, Frenzy is shown to be alive.

This doesn't cause a huge continuity problem since the ROTF prequel 'Veiled Threat' novel shows that Frenzy's severed head in the ROTF movie was actually still alive. It was just being kept as captive by Seymour Simmons and was dormant when it was not activated. It is possible Frenzy somehow escaped at some point and reunited with Barricade.
 
BB10 said:
In the Cyber Missions cartoon, which takes place after ROTF, Frenzy is shown to be alive.

This doesn't cause a huge continuity problem since the ROTF prequel 'Veiled Threat' novel shows that Frenzy's severed head in the ROTF movie was actually still alive. It was just being kept as captive by Seymour Simmons and was dormant when it was not activated. It is possible Frenzy somehow escaped at some point and reunited with Barricade.
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https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tyran_110.21_Alpha
That it's own timeline.
 
selfishmisery said:
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tyran_110.21_Alpha
That it's own timeline.
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nope it's not.

As you can see it's in the expanded universe timeline:

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Movie_expanded_universe_timeline#2009_to_2010
Ask Vector Prime isn't so good at doing reality designations, for example he gave different reality designations to BOTH the cybertron games, which we both know they're canon to one another and also canon to the Transformers Prime Cartoon.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_812.21_Kappa
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_610.17_Kappa
 
hope u had a good laugh @selfishmisery . Anyway @BB10 the Cyber Mission are in the expanded universe timeline, as it does matches the status quo of Barber's comics, so no contraddictions.

Infact basically everyone besides "someone" has it in the timeline.
 
Megatron said:
nope it's not.

As you can see it's in the expanded universe timeline:

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Movie_expanded_universe_timeline#2009_to_2010
Ask Vector Prime isn't so good at doing reality designations, for example he gave different reality designations to BOTH the cybertron games, which we both know they're canon to one another and also canon to the Transformers Prime Cartoon.

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Uniend_812.21_Kappa
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Primax_610.17_Kappa
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Canon-adjancy, really. The Cyberton games example you gave is in regards to historical elements being shared between those universes but in regards to exact events those are unique to one reality.

Similar to how a few elements of the DCEU will carry over to the DCU in "rough memory" but not 100% the same.

Cyber Missions may have some bits & pieces that happened in the movie/IDW timeline, but as the shorts are presented they are designated differently.

"Ask Vector Prime isn't so good at doing reality designations" is opinion. If it wasn't the Wiki would disregard it.
 
Megatron said:
hope u had a good laugh @selfishmisery . Anyway @BB10 the Cyber Mission are in the expanded universe timeline, as it does matches the status quo of Barber's comics, so no contraddictions.

Infact basically everyone besides "someone" has it in the timeline.
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Chill. You are acting petty as heck with your phrasing right now, man.

If the laugh emoji triggers you that much I will undo it.
 
selfishmisery said:
Canon-adjancy, really. The Cyberton games example you gave is regards to historical elements being shared between those universes but in regards to exact events those are unique to one reality.

Similar to how a few elements of the DCEU will carry over to the DCU in "rough memory" but not 100% the same.

Cyber Missions may have some bits & pieces that happened in the movie/IDW timeline, but as the shorts are presented they are designated differently.

"Ask Vector Prime isn't so good at doing reality designations" is opinion. If it wasn't the Wiki would disregard it.
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the wiki disregard it:

From the Expanded Universe timeline in the wiki:

"The Decepticons continue their struggles against the Autobots and NEST all around the world. Cyber Missions When Soundwave is captured after a failed attack on NEST command, Cyber Missions 1 Cyber Missions 2 the Autobots pretend to transport him to lure Megatron and the Decepticons into a trap. The Decepticons fall for the ruse, which proves to the final straw for Megatron's disenfranchised troops: they all abandon their leader to his fate. Megatron is ordered to depart Earth by Optimus Prime, Decepticons Attack". Again this is in the first link i sent you.

Also the guys of the wiki made a simplified order for the espanded universe, and they added Cyber missions.
 
Megatron said:
the wiki disregard it:

From the Expanded Universe timeline in the wiki:

"The Decepticons continue their struggles against the Autobots and NEST all around the world. Cyber Missions When Soundwave is captured after a failed attack on NEST command, Cyber Missions 1 Cyber Missions 2 the Autobots pretend to transport him to lure Megatron and the Decepticons into a trap. The Decepticons fall for the ruse, which proves to the final straw for Megatron's disenfranchised troops: they all abandon their leader to his fate. Megatron is ordered to depart Earth by Optimus Prime, Decepticons Attack". Again this is in the first link i sent you.
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I'm talking the Vector Prime designations in their entirety.

Those are historical events that are shared, yes. The shorts down to a T are designated as their own reality.
 
selfishmisery said:
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tyran_110.21_Alpha
That it's own timeline.
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I don't take those designations seriously. Both the prequel Bayverse novels were referenced in the comics and the writee John Barbee confirmed he considera them canon to the comics. Yet, the novels have a different designation.

Even the people writing about those designations have said that they do not translate 100% to universes. Plus they also claim that streams can split off and merge again.
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:primax_787.3_Alpha"This. There is no reasons streams can't diverge and then reconnect", Jim Sorenson, writer of Ask Vector Prime, on a discussion on why Headmasters has its own designation.
 
There is a reason why I put the individual Tyran universal streams in the timeline headers, also.
 
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BB10 said:
I don't take those designations seriously. Both the prequel Bayverse novels were referenced in the comics and the writee John Barbee confirmed he considera them canon to the comics. Yet, the novels have a different designation.

Even the people writing about those designations have said that they do not translate 100% to universes. Plus they also claim that streams can split off and merge again.
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:primax_787.3_Alpha"This. There is no reasons streams can't diverge and then reconnect", Jim Sorenson, writer of Ask Vector Prime, on a discussion on why Headmasters has its own designation.
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DC's Hypertime logic essentially.

Hear what I am saying though: This isn't a generalized "expanded universe" timeline. That is what Pro Bot's thread is for. I am spliting things up into catagories based on the Vector Sigma designations, branches excluded.
 
There was something called Beast Wars Diorama Story. The chapters 11-13 included Bayverse characters arriving on the Beast Wars era to promote their toys. If it's canon to the Japanese Bayverse timeline, then it must take place in between the events of the 2007 movie, as it features characters that die at the end of the 2007 film, like Blackout and Megatron (in his 2007 form). This story is canon to the JG1 timeline.
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Source:Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_(Japan)#cite_ref-18




https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Tigatron_Chapterhttps://tfwiki.net/wiki/Gimlet_Chapterhttps://tfwiki.net/wiki/Motorarm_Chapter
 

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