Captain America Movie

I don't think an origin story is necessary. You could easily open up with a war moment. Something like the first issue of Ultimates but instead of a decisive battle it would be Cap's first battle leading the troops and you get the dialog between bucky and some of the soldiers who have heard about Cap's hype and don't believe. then you get about 15 minutes of battle and then a newspaper boy handing out the latest issue showing "Poster Boy Experiment Success!" with a pic(taken by bucky) of Cap leading the troops to victory. You can easily throw in some dialog with cap and bucky that could indicate how cap got his powers. or even some kid saying, Wow Cap, you sure are strong!" and then cap saying, "Anyone can be strong. The Super Soldier Experiment made that possible. You gotta have courage when you're out there kid. Without courage, being strong is useless." I don't know something like that and within a few minutes it's explained without taking up time in the movie of how it all happened.
 
The Cap movie should take place during WWII, and ends with Cap getting frozen in the ice. The Avengers movie should kick off with them defrosting him a la Ultimates.
 
Ridiculously so.

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I disagree, who is decide waht is cheesy and what is not? Superheroes by defination are cheesy. Really how is Cap sillier than say Superman? Plus the American public loves over the top, goofy, patriotism, its every where. Stuff like has been part of hollywood for years. The only real problem is people oversees may not like it.

These are the movies we try to avoid making. "Superhero movie" shouldn't be a genre. Each character should fall into a genre that caters to his particular strengths. Making Captain America a superhero is silly. Making him a super-soldier is the way to go.
 
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These are the movies we try to avoid making. "Superhero movie" shouldn't be a genre. Each character should fall into a genre that caters to his particular strengths. Making Captain America a superhero is silly. Making him a super-soldier is the way to go.
Agreed. Cap as a super soldier in WW2 is the way to go with his movie. Save the man out of his time period/superhero stuff for the Avengers movie.
 
The Cap movie should take place during WWII, and ends with Cap getting frozen in the ice. The Avengers movie should kick off with them defrosting him a la Ultimates.

Works for me, as long as the ice at the end isn't so much a cliffhanger as a dramatic self-sacrifice ending that gives some closure on its own.

Maybe have a post-credits scene like Iron Man that hints at him being found by the Avengers.

These are the movies we try to avoid making. "Superhero movie" shouldn't be a genre.

Bingo.

Each character should fall into a genre that caters to his particular strengths. Making Captain America a superhero is silly. Making him a super-soldier is the way to go.

Agreed.
 
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Agreed. Cap as a super soldier in WW2 is the way to go with his movie. Save the man out of his time period/superhero stuff for the Avengers movie.

Precisely. You have a nice story of heroism and blowing things up that concludes in a sacrificial climax, establishing the history of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the super soldier program, and then when you pick him up in the Avengers, you have a good point of view character for the audience.

And if you scripted the arc nicely, you could leave some room in there to maybe go back and explore the possibilities of an Invaders story.
 
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These are the movies we try to avoid making. "Superhero movie" shouldn't be a genre. Each character should fall into a genre that caters to his particular strengths. Making Captain America a superhero is silly. Making him a super-soldier is the way to go.

I'm saying arguing that saying captain America is cheesy is pretty futile, considering that America itself is very cheesy, America is way more over the top then a lot of the world's other countries in how it expresses its patriotism. Sure cap is cheesy, but that's because America is cheesy and America people eat that cheese with a spoon.

So I don't buy that the idea that Cap is too cheesy a concept to work on screen. Now there is happy medium here, combining 616 characterization, with themes and visuals from the ultimates, but there is nothing wrong with the concept itself.
 
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Another person I'd consider for the part is Travis Schultz, a.k.a. Keith Dudemeister from Scrubs.

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But only if they were prepared to embrace the Aryan-ness of the character and then actually POINT OUT how stupid and hypocritical it is, which they'll never do.
 
Hopefully Marvel pulls an RDJ and an Ed Norton and pulls out a stellar actor that know one thought of but is absolutly perfect for the role. Hopefully.
 
just saw that team america/captain america parody... and i have to say, matt salinger had what i consider to be the perfect look, facially, for cap. look at that moment when he has his mask off- pure steve rogers.

that said, the mask itself was HORRIBLE and made him look fish-eyed and flat-nosed.

anyways, here's to hoping the get someone good
 
Precisely. You have a nice story of heroism and blowing things up that concludes in a sacrificial climax, establishing the history of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the super soldier program, and then when you pick him up in the Avengers, you have a good point of view character for the audience.

And if you scripted the arc nicely, you could leave some room in there to maybe go back and explore the possibilities of an Invaders story.

I don't think we'll get a SHIELD origin since they were working on the name in Iron Man and the H in it stood for Homeland which reeks of post 9-11. I wouldn't be surprise if SHIELD is rather new in the movieverse.
 
I don't think we'll get a SHIELD origin since they were working on the name in Iron Man and the H in it stood for Homeland which reeks of post 9-11. I wouldn't be surprise if SHIELD is rather new in the movieverse.
Just to play devil's advocate, I don't think a SHIELD that bears the 9/11 reeking name of "Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division." necessarily abnegates the possibility of a movieverse SHIELD origin story set a decade, two, three, four or five before Iron Man.

In the 40s or 50s, it could just be "two guys and a bar tab" that isn't called SHIELD, but forms the beginnings of the organization.

In the 60s Cold War, it becomes the Supreme Headquarters, International Espionage Logistics Directorate.

But in the mid 90s, when espionage ceases to become the barometer of international data gathering and the importance of diplomacy and foreign politesse grows, it becomes Strategic Hazard Intervention, Executive Logistics Directorate.

And then after 9/11 and Katrina, when America becomes more concerned about the enemies and agitants from within it becomes Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement, and Logistics Division.

Regardless of the specifics, a changing SHIELD would not only give a historical context to it, but act as a meta-reflection of the ever changing yet inherently nonsensical comic book backronym.
 
It be easy to write the plots for captain America movis, just have Bill O'Reilly write them:

Captain america vs. Gay marriage

Captain America vs. War Protesters

Captain America vs. The Secular Atheist who teaches evolution

That's 3 movies right there!
 
I disagree, who is decide waht is cheesy and what is not? Superheroes by defination are cheesy. Really how is Cap sillier than say Superman? Plus the American public loves over the top, goofy, patriotism, its every where. Stuff like has been part of hollywood for years. The only real problem is people oversees may not like it.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying there's contradictions at the core of Captain America's origin that need to be addressed in some way to make Captain America not be silly. First, the idea that America's solution to the war is remarkably similar to the Nazi party's philosophy of eugenics. Second, the fact that the Super-Soldier program is basically taking steroids on PCP and pumping them into a human being to create a living weapon. Part of that ethical conflict can be explained with this naive 1940's perspective of "It's science!" but given the preeminence of steroids in our society, it's still something that needs to be addressed.

So you have Captain America as this scrawny private at the start of the war who gets pumped full of juice to become America's top weapon. You throw him into the crucible, and see how he goes from becoming a total ***** into being America's hard-*** hero soldier. You square him off against grotesque nazi genetic experiments, and in doing so, you create the central conflict. He sees the hypocrisy of the Super-Soldier program in that he sees this American perspective of, "We'll use drugs to make men better." and in it sees how similar the two sides of the battle really are. And then you close the arc at the very end of the war, with Captain America having to start some sort of apocalyptic last strike by Nazi extremists, even as Berlin and Germany have fallen to the Allies. On the eve of this climax, you have Cap pulled aside by the US military brass who are looking forward to the upcoming war they see with the Soviet Union. And they tell him about how they've already started recruiting high-ranking (now former) Nazi geneticists to perfect the Super-Soldier formula. They think the reason it worked so well in Captain America is something to do with his genetic structure, and their plans are to retroengineer the serum from his genetic structure to create a superman combat unit called the Invaders, who will be under the umbrella of a new counter-intelligence agency called S.H.I.E.L.D. (and ourchair did a good job of validating their post-WWII existence). And we get a look at Cap's face upon hearing this, and he's absolutely furious. And then we know how it all ends. Saving the world, Captain America rides a rocket into the ocean and the U.S. loses their chance to exploit the formula in him, until sixty years later, when they find him floating deep in the Arctic.

It touches the innate hypocrisies in the Captain America myth and also establishes the premise of a super-human arms race, which seems like it should be the heart of a distilled modern Avengers story. And while I don't feel like Cap can hold a franchise of his own, the historic Captain America story would open up the possibilities to spin out historical origin stories, in a similar way to how FOX is using the X-Men franchise to create a stable of mutant origin stories. If you give Bucky a cameo in the Captain America film, then you leave the possibility to do an espionage spy thriller with Winter Soldier at the height of the Cold War, something in the style of the Bourne Identity that details the Superhuman Cold War that has its origins in Captain America and reaches its pinnacle in the modern Avengers. Something similar could be done with Isaiah Bradley.

Plenty of comic book characters are silly at their core. But you have to address the silliness and find a way to address it in a serious context if you want to make these characters not silly.

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Another person I'd consider for the part is Travis Schultz, a.k.a. Keith Dudemeister from Scrubs.

I.... What......? I don't get any of your casting choices. TV comedy actors? That confuses me.
 
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I like Zombi's storyline idea to the core. I think at the beginning of the movie you could have the cap who fights for america and then at the end you havve the cap who fights for the weak and the core of america's ideals rather than the government.
 
I'd like to see Cap hate the new united states, and think of it as a mockery of wait the states should be

and then at the end of the movie have him endorse Obama

DUDE THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT OBAMA TO PLAY FURY!
 

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