Terminator Salvation

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Saw this yesterday evening.

Here's the thing, it was well-executed and well-acted(for the most part), and all the action scenes ranged from satisfying to awesome, but the bottom line is that it was utterly pointless.

All it does is basically show us a random part of the Future Wars(which look completely different from the navy-blue, ashen-ground nightmares we'd been hyped for by the last 20 years of Terminator films) and come up with an extremely convoluted explaination for how the machines could grow flesh and the minimal organs that run it, which I never really thought was that hard to explain....

The movie then ends with basically no resolution other than "fighting the machines is hard but we have to keep going!!!!" when I was hoping to maybe see the war actually end, but that would close the door on making more sequels and money, so I think it was a bit naive of me to be excited for that.

Anton Yelchin's Kyle Reese was by far the best part of the movie for me, both because he was good in general and also really captured Biehn's look and style so it felt like it really was a young him.

As somebody said, it's a solid 7. The extended, future-playground ending of Terminator 2 is still where the series cannon ends for me.

P.S. I haven't looked around the net yet so I'm sure it's already buzzing with this, but in the Future War scene at the beginning of Terminator 2 I remember John having a Y-shaped set of scars on his face just like the burns the Terminator gave him in this one. Awesome continuity. Also, Moon Bloodgood is a badass name.
 
Saw it yesterday, I've seen all the Terminator movies, though I have no emotional attachment to the series at all.

But I really liked this movie, sure it didn't really accomplish anything, at all. But it told it's story, and that story was rather interesting. The Action scenes were great, just an all-around good action flick. I'd put it on the level of Incredible Hulk, decent movie, but probably the best they could do with the material.

Anywho I really liked this movie 8/10

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What are the chances Markus would be a match for John for the transplant? that bugged me.

Was Markus's ever-changing accent on purpose, or was it just poor acting? I swear I heard him speak with not 1 but more like 5 different accents throughout the movie. I figured it could have been because of that chip, but it could have been the actor.

Also CG-Arnold was awesome
 
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I just thought of the best way to phrase my feelings on the story. It felt like a whole season of a television series crammed into a movie. A lot of great ideas and storylines that don't get explored fully
Gemini said:
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What are the chances Markus would be a match for John for the transplant? that bugged me.
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I recall hearing a spoiler a while ago where the original ending was that John Connor dies and they decide to graph Connor's skin onto Marcus to keep the faith of the resistance alive. The actual ending feels like a patch over that. Which I'm glad they did, I feel as if Connors shouldn't die till the end of the war.
 
I thought it was pretty stupid, it was too loud, too chaotic, too many quick edits, too many explosions and John Connor did not come off as a charismatic leader, all he did was shout into a radio.
 
Zombipanda said:
YOU'LL ****ING HATE THIS THEN!!!!
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Eh internet loud doesn't bother me, the sounds that giant robot made while destroying that house made my ears bleed.


Zombipanda said:
Yeah. That's one of McG's many problems.
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What do expect from a guy who calls himself McG?

Also the scene where the rebels were chasing Marcus went on for way too long and why didn't Skynet just kill Kyle as soon as they captured him?
 
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This movie sucked.

I hated all the new characters - Marcus, Blair, Serena Kogan....they were pointless. I guess it was sorta better than T3, but....that's not saying much.

I did like how they put in Guns N' Roses as a nod to the second movie though.

Gemini said:
What are the chances Markus would be a match for John for the transplant? that bugged me.
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I thought that was dumb. Marcus himself had just been jolted back to life with a pair of wires. His heart couldn't have been in that great of shape.
 
ultimatedjf said:
EW.com Exclusive: The Original Ending


Wow.
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Disgusting, unimaginative, pointless. The franchise goes from "If a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too" to "Not only can machines not learn the value of human life, but neither can movie directors" in two films. McG and Bale are *******s for pushing for this.
 
Planet-man said:
Disgusting, unimaginative, pointless. The franchise goes from "If a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can too" to "Not only can machines not learn the value of human life, but neither can movie directors" in two films. McG and Bale are *******s for pushing for this.
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Hah. That's right on the money.

The Overlord said:
What do expect from a guy who calls himself McG?
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A delicious new sandwich from the people who brought us the McChicken?

or at the very least, some funky fresh beats
 
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ultimatedjf said:
EW.com Exclusive: The Original Ending


Wow.
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That's a rubbish ending. If Marcus could do that, why doesn't he do that when he meets Connor for the first time?

I've not seen the movie (I doubt I will), but it seems that it's just become Men vs Machines and nothing more. It's PG13. It's TRANSFORMERS.

The first two Terminator movies scared me. The first movie is a horror film, not an action movie. It's a HORROR film. Like FRIDAY THE 13TH or NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET or ALIEN. And the second movie, was an action movie with horror elements, both keeping true to the desperate futility of the impending armageddon. That the armageddon is coming, you can't stop it, and it's the end of everything. This oppressive future terror.

And it turns out that this terror is rated PG13.

It's betrayed itself.
 
Bass said:
That's a rubbish ending. If Marcus could do that, why doesn't he do that when he meets Connor for the first time?
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I know it wouldn't make sense. As someone who seen the movie it definitely would not work story wise. But it is awesome just the idea of it. Think about sometime you exit a movie saying "Wouldn't it be something if...?" I like that filmmakers consider things like that so radically
I've not seen the movie (I doubt I will), but it seems that it's just become Men vs Machines and nothing more. It's PG13. It's TRANSFORMERS.

The first two Terminator movies scared me. The first movie is a horror film, not an action movie. It's a HORROR film. Like FRIDAY THE 13TH or NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET or ALIEN. And the second movie, was an action movie with horror elements, both keeping true to the desperate futility of the impending armageddon. That the armageddon is coming, you can't stop it, and it's the end of everything. This oppressive future terror.

And it turns out that this terror is rated PG13.

It's betrayed itself.
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That's a fair assessment, it's nothing like the first two, to go into the movie think it will be is just stupid. It's a different story with it's own take which is more popcorn blockbuster. It's fun, that's all.
 
Bass said:
That's a rubbish ending. If Marcus could do that, why doesn't he do that when he meets Connor for the first time?

I've not seen the movie (I doubt I will), but it seems that it's just become Men vs Machines and nothing more. It's PG13. It's TRANSFORMERS.

The first two Terminator movies scared me. The first movie is a horror film, not an action movie. It's a HORROR film. Like FRIDAY THE 13TH or NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET or ALIEN. And the second movie, was an action movie with horror elements, both keeping true to the desperate futility of the impending armageddon. That the armageddon is coming, you can't stop it, and it's the end of everything. This oppressive future terror.

And it turns out that this terror is rated PG13.

It's betrayed itself.
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Wait....


T2 scared you?


*falls over laughing*

Please, it was an above average sci-fi flick, it wasn't even a good thriller. At no point was Sarah or John in any real danger, and I could figure that out when I was a kid. It was hamfisted, and with the ham acting and completely WTF moments of dialogue, it was almost TV movie level bad.

Why T2 got an R rating is completely the **** beyond me. I am astounded at how nostalgia clouds the truth.
 
skotti-chan said:
Wait....


T2 scared you?


*falls over laughing*

Please, it was an above average sci-fi flick, it wasn't even a good thriller. At no point was Sarah or John in any real danger, and I could figure that out when I was a kid. It was hamfisted, and with the ham acting and completely WTF moments of dialogue, it was almost TV movie level bad.

Why T2 got an R rating is completely the **** beyond me. I am astounded at how nostalgia clouds the truth.
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Yeah. I gotta agree with skotti on this one, Bass. The all-star team-up of Arnie and Eddie Furlong is a pretty sad watermark for acting. I certainly wouldn't call it horrifying.

I still hold to the fact that T2 is one of the greatest action films ever made. That's got nothing to do with the acting or the themes or anything like that. It's a great action movie entirely on account of the choreography of the action sequences. That's the only real strength the movie has going for it, but it's executed so well that it doesn't matter.

Still, that projected ending to Salvation makes T2 look like Shakespeare.
 
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