Marvel Cinematic Universe News, Rumors, and Discussion
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DIrishB
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What? Less payment? Marvel outright owns the film and television rights for Daredevil. Just because Netflix is airing and producing the DD series doesn't give them any right to licensing ownership to the character, hence if they wanted DD to appear on AoS they could do that without having to pay anything to anyone except Charlie Cox, the actor, for playing the role on AoS.
That said, I seriously doubt he'll show up on AoS. For one, it doesn't fit the story at all, right now. Why would a crime fighting, street-level vigilante who's just starting out happen upon Coulson and his team? Especially since they're building up the Inhumans plot, and will (around the time Daredevil premieres) be only a few weeks out from their inevitable Age of Ultron crossover on AoS.
Besides, the DD show doesn't even need that type of shameless plug... it's anticipated beyond measure by most comic fans, and assuming the reviews are good (which they likely will be), combined with the fact it's an MCU extension, that combination is really all the advertising the show needs. The amount of coverage it's been getting in both comic media and the general media is pretty impressive. They certainly don't need a forced and unnatural AoS cameo to sell the DD series to the general public. Hell, I'd argue the DD Netflix show will probably have a bigger viewership than AoS does on average.
I really doubt you'll see Daredevil on AoS at all, let alone in the next month or so.
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vintsukka
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I don't know who Jeff Sneider is, but he's pretty sure the MCU Spidey won't be white and probably won't be called Peter Parker:
http://screenrant.com/spider-man-marvel-reboot-2017-casting-race/
http://screenrant.com/spider-man-marvel-reboot-2017-casting-race/
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Captain Canuck
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I'm cool with him not being white, but I don't want them to do Miles yet. I just really want to see Peter Parker done right.
Then in a few years, introduce Miles.
mike3717
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I think this Jeff Sneider character is full of it. For some reason I just can't see Marvel, first thing after getting characters rights back, either killing Peter Parker or doing a random race switch on one of their highest profile most well know characters. Especially since the characters true movie potential has barely been touched. Spider-man is practically a universe of his own. With all the potential, between solo films, team-ups, spin-off films, that would just be bad business. And I don't see Marvel making that mistake again.
Ice
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Marvel doesn't have the rights back to Spider-Man, they just made a deal where Sony lets them use him. Sony still is in full ownership of the character's film rights and still have final say. That's not to say you're wrong, but just if anyone will make the decision (with of course Marvel's input), it'll be Sony.
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Correct, instead of paying for Clark Gregg, Chloe Bennett, and whoever else extra, they only have to pay Charlie Cox extra. Thus less payment.
Sif is coming back and they're tying that in. Mr. Hyde is a Daredevil bad guy so that'd be cool to see, Crusher Creel is in both shows, and the casting of Karla Gideon. There's so many ways to connect it.
Neither did Agent Carter, didn't stop them.
DIrishB
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Yup. Of course, Sony only owns the rights to the Peter Parker version of Spider-Man. Miles didn't even exist when Sony got the rights. Of course, while Miles is a completely different character, he's still Spider-Man, which would've prevented Marvel Studios from doing a live action film version of Miles while Sony still held the rights to Peter, due to brand recognition/confusion/infringement laws likely laid out in the original contract between Sony and Marvel.
All that said, I do think this guy is pulling this completely out of his ass, especially since he's offering no proof whatsoever.
Further, you have to consider it from Marvel's point of view in terms of the comics. Peter Parker Spider-Man is still one of their most popular franchises. Granted Miles is popular too, but I don't think he has anywhere near the readership numbers that Amazing Spider-Man has, nor will he even once he crosses over into the 616 universe after Secret Wars. At least not for a long time, and even then that's unlikely since he's still and always will be a spin-off of a different version of the original Spider-Man. Much as I love Miles, that's the case.
I do think there's validity to the idea that eventually they'll do Miles in the MCU, but most likely only after they do several movies focusing on Peter Parker, which eventually they'll do a passing of the mantle movie where Miles becomes the new Spidey.
And given the rumors surrounding Civil War (and Cap potentially dying and then Bucky stepping up as the new Cap), Thor - Ragnarok (with all the Asgardians, including Thor, likely killed off), etc, there does seem to be a coming transition to new characters after the original actors move on. I actually think it's more likely most of the big name Avengers will die fighting Thanos in Infinity War, Part II, and Phase 4 will see the introduction of new actors and characters in the roles of Cap, Thor, and possibly even Iron Man.
I do think Peter Parker will survive Infinity War, Part 2 (since that'll be less than two years after his premiere in the MCU), but eventually he'll be killed off in a. solo film, and Miles will get his shot.
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Ah, ok, fair point.
I'm not saying they're not connecting the shows, I'm just saying I doubt you're going to see Charlie Cox showing up as Daredevil on AoS. Also, we don't know Creel is in both, they only released a promo image that may indicate that (yet the actor hasn't been listed in any cast lists). Who is Karla Gideon? And Sif returning has nothing to do with Daredevil as far as I know, so how is that being "tied in"?
Agent Carter was the mid-season replacement for AoS airing on the same network in the same time slot. They're blatantly associated shows, with Agent Carter serving as a prequel show that leads to the formation of SHIELD, which plays a HUGE role on AoS.
Not at all the same situation as Daredevil. Notice also that there haven't been any promos released for DD that have aired on ABC, nor will there be. Not the same thing at all.
Like I said, I'm not opposed to the idea, I just don't see it happening.
If DD is going to show up anywhere after his first season (and cameos in the other Netflix shows and eventually Defenders), it'll likely be in his own film, co-produced with Netflix (who are trying to also break into the original films market). A theatrical Daredevil film as part of the MCU and produced by both studios could be done to allow Netflix exclusive airing of the film on NF for a few months after its theatrical run and before it's released on DVD/Bluray.
It's something that benefits Marvel through, again, bringing a popular character to film (after what will likely be a successful TV series debut on Netflix) and helps cheapen production costs for MS by sharing those costs with Netflix (and it would likely be one of their cheaper movies to produce since it won't involve copious CGI or special effects) but not having to give up creative control, while allowing Netflix to share in the profits of the theatrical run as well as benefit from a several month window of exclusive airing on the Netflix service.
Daredevil showing up on AoS? Just don't see it happening, at least not this season.
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wyokid
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I meant they're tying Sif's return into the larger story. Maybe Cal is selling drugs in Hell's Kitchen. Karla Gideon is the character from Daredevil: Redemption that was recently cast.
There have been. The logo in the city ad played during Agent Carter when I was watching it live. AoS needs the boost and like you said, Daredevil is going to have more viewers. What better way to boost AoS than the main character appearing?
DIrishB
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Like I said, I'd like it to happen, I just doubt it will.
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DIrishB
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No need to worry. The deal is already signed (hence the public announcement). And after seeing the returns on the next Spidey solo film in 2017 (which will assuredly be better than ASM2's), I doubt Rothman will try to negate or control anything to a point of ruining the deal.
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Actually, after reading about this guy's views of superhero films and his track record with anything that's not a straight up drama film, I am indeed apprehensive. Apparently he micromanaged Wolverine: Origins extensively, and it was during his tenure at Fox that we got X-Men - The Last Stand, and the two Fantastic Four movies.
And also, this:
Oh... ****.
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I read that the studio head honchos are either exploring or pushing for (depending on where you read it) a minority Spider-Man.
Didn't Donald Glover have some quote about all of this? Wasn't he influential on some level on the creation or development of Miles?
Didn't Donald Glover have some quote about all of this? Wasn't he influential on some level on the creation or development of Miles?
Captain Canuck
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Sigh. Come on Marvel & Sony, you got me excited about Spider-Man again, don't mess it up!
Like I said above, I don't care if he's white or not. Just as long as he's Peter Parker. They can for sure introduce Miles eventually, but not yet.
Althoug, I feel like if Peter Parker isn't white, then some of what makes Miles unique gets lost.
Like I said above, I don't care if he's white or not. Just as long as he's Peter Parker. They can for sure introduce Miles eventually, but not yet.
Althoug, I feel like if Peter Parker isn't white, then some of what makes Miles unique gets lost.
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No need to worry. The deal is already signed (hence the public announcement). And after seeing the returns on the next Spidey solo film in 2017 (which will assuredly be better than ASM2's), I doubt Rothman will try to negate or control anything to a point of ruining the deal.
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Actually, after reading about this guy's views of superhero films and his track record with anything that's not a straight up drama film, I am indeed apprehensive. Apparently he micromanaged Wolverine: Origins extensively, and it was during his tenure at Fox that we got X-Men - The Last Stand, and the two Fantastic Four movies.
And also, this:
Oh... ****.
Told you.
DIrishB
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Everyone has seen the Deadpool test footage, right?
http://youtu.be/LoXGsv9nsNs
When Deadpool says "Hi, Tom" at the end, it's because Tom Rothman was so opposed to a Deadpool film and wouldn't let it happen. That's some brilliant meta right there, I tell you what!!
http://youtu.be/LoXGsv9nsNs
When Deadpool says "Hi, Tom" at the end, it's because Tom Rothman was so opposed to a Deadpool film and wouldn't let it happen. That's some brilliant meta right there, I tell you what!!
Captain Canuck
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Not bad. But "la piscina de la muerte" is not part of the MCU.
DIrishB
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I know that, but we were on a tangent concerning Tom Rothman and how he's bad news when it comes to overseeing superhero films.
Captain Canuck
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Oh, I see.
DIrishB
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A couple of really great articles on the Marvel/Sony Spider-Man deal, examining the specifics (especially how much creative control Feige/Marvel will have... it's more than we think), and the fact that Tom Rothman likely won't screw up the plans due to Sony desperately needing this deal to work out (put simply, if Rothman tries his micro managing approach and ruins the next Spidey solo film as a result, and likely the deal with Marvel Studios as an extension of that, the stockholders and board at Sony will likely be calling for his job):
The first one is a long read but very informative and also does a good job of analyzing the facts and making sense of many peoples' knee-jerk reactions (doom and gloom) likely not being accurate:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SauronsBANE1/news/?a=115820
Second one just reiterates a lot of the first article:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=115816
Either way, it amounts to very encouraging news, assuming it's all valid (which it likely is). After all, Feige is no dummy, and I very much doubt he'd sign any deal linking the MCU (a film series he's worked very hard on over the past 10 years) to Sony's Spider-Man if he wouldn't have a great degree of control to ensure the future Spidey films are done right.
So basically, we can all relax... at least until the film comes out in a couple years.
The first one is a long read but very informative and also does a good job of analyzing the facts and making sense of many peoples' knee-jerk reactions (doom and gloom) likely not being accurate:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SauronsBANE1/news/?a=115820
Second one just reiterates a lot of the first article:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=115816
Either way, it amounts to very encouraging news, assuming it's all valid (which it likely is). After all, Feige is no dummy, and I very much doubt he'd sign any deal linking the MCU (a film series he's worked very hard on over the past 10 years) to Sony's Spider-Man if he wouldn't have a great degree of control to ensure the future Spidey films are done right.
So basically, we can all relax... at least until the film comes out in a couple years.
