Arrowverse / DC-CW Timeline (v 3.0)

[Megatron]

I've learned about the surprise cameo in S&L's finale.
1.) It's not who you think it is.
2.) It 100% brings S&L into the Arrowverse in a way I don't fully understand yet.

EDIT:
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So no S&L into the arrowverse?

 

[selfishmisery]

So no S&L into the arrowverse?

Correct.

 

[Pro Bot]

It is an interesting ending, I'll say. Reminds me of Lucifer actually.

 

[selfishmisery]

Lemme think on this.
We're probably at a Earth-Thirty-Two situation where it somehow Hypertime'd out of Earth-Prime at some point.

I only have theories regarding that, but ultimately I might have to put the timeline in the reserved space in the Non-Arrowverse thread.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-Thirty-Two

 

[selfishmisery]

The time dilation it took for Clark to get to Inverse World was 32 days plus the one day to get back

Lois: "It's been 32 days since Lex was released from prison."

Clark: "It [Sam Lane's heart] allowed me to live 32 more years."

Earth-32. Some theories regarding Hypertime BS I'll bring up at a later point.

 

[LegionAOD]

Spoiler: how Superman and Lois ISN'T connected to Arrowverse

Superman & Lois, while initially connected to the Arrowverse through its introduction in Supergirl, was revealed to be set in a separate universe within the multiverse. Superman & Lois's titular stars, Tyler Hoechlin and Elizabeth Tulloch appeared as Clark Kent and Lois Lane in Supergirl and The Flash. However, COVID-19 restrictions and the cancelation of another crossover event prompted Warner Bros. to keep Superman & Lois in a separate continuity. This was confirmed in season 2 through the multiverse

Thought to spoiler tag JUST in case...

 

[selfishmisery]

Spoiler: how Superman and Lois ISN'T connected to Arrowverse

Superman & Lois, while initially connected to the Arrowverse through its introduction in Supergirl, was revealed to be set in a separate universe within the multiverse. Superman & Lois's titular stars, Tyler Hoechlin and Elizabeth Tulloch appeared as Clark Kent and Lois Lane in Supergirl and The Flash. However, COVID-19 restrictions and the cancelation of another crossover event prompted Warner Bros. to keep Superman & Lois in a separate continuity. This was confirmed in season 2 through the multiverse

Thought to spoiler tag JUST in case...

I'm aware of this. Sometime after Diggle's guest appearance in season 1 and well after the Batwoman crossover fell through I guess is when, creatively, it became another universe.

 

[ItzStitch626]

I'm aware of this. Sometime after Diggle's guest appearance in season 1 and well after the Batwoman crossover fell through I guess is when, creatively, it became another universe.

So where are you gonna add Superman and Lois to now? The non-arrowverse thread?

 

[selfishmisery]

So where are you gonna add Superman and Lois to now? The non-arrowverse thread?

Yes.

 

[Pro Bot]

Lemme think on this.
We're probably at a Earth-Thirty-Two situation where it somehow Hypertime'd out of Earth-Prime at some point.

I only have theories regarding that, but ultimately I might have to put the timeline in the reserved space in the Non-Arrowverse thread.
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-Thirty-Two

The time dilation it took for Clark to get to Inverse World was 32 days plus the one day to get back

Lois: "It's been 32 days since Lex was released from prison."

Clark: "It [Sam Lane's heart] allowed me to live 32 more years."

Earth-32. Some theories regarding Hypertime BS I'll bring up at a later point.

I always thought of S&L as post-crisis Earth-38 myself, but Earth-32 certainly makes sense as a hypertime Earth-Prime.

 

[selfishmisery]

unrelated:

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

unrelated:

We genuinely dodged a bullet with this one.

 

[Megatron]

unrelated:

I Just saw It. I died and got resurrected again.

 

[selfishmisery]

I Just saw It. I died and got resurrected again.

That trailer did to me the same as what happened to Angstrom in the opening of the newest Invincible.

 

[selfishmisery]

James Gunn apparently threw shade at the CW/Arrowverse a week ago, calling them "low-budget party favors", and I find that super gross and entitled tbf.

They were more-niche and not pristine but a lot of people worked on those shows and were happy with them.

Gunn, I like you for most things, virtue signaling is not one of them. You overpraised The Flash movie, a film I didn't mind, but c'mon man.

 

[selfishmisery]

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/james-gunn-dc-studios-quality-control-dcu-elseworlds/
Okay looking at what he said with more context, he's clearly just talking about the carelessness in how everything was greenlit before he took over. He wasn't dissing a whole era of DC TV.

 

[Avilos]

Ok I do not know where you got that original interpretation but this is a huge part of the problem of online news PLUS fan reactions to it. Stuff is taken completely out of context or just wrong. Fans rush to share before confirmation. I appreciate that you quickly corrected what he really said. But often people will see original post and never see correction and will always believe it.

For the record I am a Arrowverse fan more than a James Gunn fan. But very excited about the possibilities for what he is doing. I think Arrowverse fans would agree with what he really said. Which was not even specifically about the Arrowverse itself but DC tv of past. That rights were handed out very casually. It's amazing a lot of it was good. Part of what he was talking about were Probably oddball things developed and never made. Which tied up rights for years.

 

[selfishmisery]

Ok I do not know where you got that original interpretation but this is a huge part of the problem of online news PLUS fan reactions to it. Stuff is taken completely out of context or just wrong. Fans rush to share before confirmation. I appreciate that you quickly corrected what he really said. But often people will see original post and never see correction and will always believe it.

For the record I am a Arrowverse fan more than a James Gunn fan. But very excited about the possibilities for what he is doing. I think Arrowverse fans would agree with what he really said. Which was not even specifically about the Arrowverse itself but DC tv of past. That rights were handed out very casually. It's amazing a lot of it was good. Part of what he was talking about were Probably oddball things developed and never made. Which tied up rights for years.

Threads (the Meta version of Twitter/X)

 

[selfishmisery]

@Avilos But yeah I agree with everything you said.

DC, I'd say ever since after Man of Steel or around Flash S2, has fallen prey to far too many cooks in the kitchen. Between 2013-2015 until now has been a period of unfulfilled promises, executive meddling and legitimately bad planning.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Without spoilers, what other shows/movies/stuff are connected to the Arrowverse via the Multiverse?

 

[selfishmisery]

Without spoilers, what other shows/movies/stuff are connected to the Arrowverse via the Multiverse?

(You just reminded me that I have to make adjustments to this thread. Will get to that soon.)

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Arrowverse#Structure_of_the_Multiverse

 

[selfishmisery]

Without spoilers, what other shows/movies/stuff are connected to the Arrowverse via the Multiverse?

Here's the list:

1. Powerless
2. Naomi
3. Superman & Lois
4. Gotham Knights
5. Lucifer
6. Smallville
7. Birds of Prey (2002)
8. DC Extended Universe
9. DC Universe
10. Titans
11. Doom Patrol
12. Swamp Thing (2019)
13. Stargirl
14. Sandman / Dead Boy Detectives
15. Donnerverse
16. Superman Returns
17. Burtonverse (Batman (1989), Batman Returns)
18. Schumacherverse (Batman Forever, Batman & Robin)
19. The Flash (1990)
20. Green Lantern (2011)
21. The Adventures of Superman (1952)
22. Batman (1966)
23. Wonder Woman (1975)
24. Pennyworth / Gotham
25. Krypton
26. The Batman Crime Saga
27. Joker
28. Harley Quinn (2019) cartoon
29. Watchmen (2019)

I think that's it?
Obviously some Vertigo stuff like iZombie or Sweet Tooth can't be mentioned due to creator-owned rights issues, and The Dark Knight Trilogy is off-limits to the multiverse because of Nolan. Stuff that WB has no hands in like Preacher / The Boys or Y: The Last Man can't ever be acknowledged.

 

[selfishmisery]

Here's the list:

1. Powerless
2. Naomi
3. Superman & Lois
4. Gotham Knights
5. Lucifer
6. Smallville
7. Birds of Prey (2002)
8. DC Extend Universe
9. DC Universe
10. Titans
11. Doom Patrol
12. Swamp Thing (2019)
13. Stargirl
14. Sandman / Dead Boy Detectives
15. Donnerverse
16. Superman Returns
17. Burtonverse (Batman (1989), Batman Returns)
18. Schumacherverse (Batman Forever, Batman & Robin)
19. The Flash (1990)
20. The Adventures of Superman (1952)
21. Batman (1966)
22. Wonder Woman (1975)
23. Pennyworth / Gotham
24. Krypton
25. The Batman Crime Saga
26. Joker
27. Harley Quinn (2019) cartoon
28. Watchmen (2019)

I think that's it?
Obviously some Vertigo stuff like iZombie or Sweet Tooth can't be mentioned due to rights issues, and The Dark Knight Trilogy is off-limits to the multiverse because of Nolan. Stuff that WB has no hands in like Preacher / The Boys or Y: The Last Man can't ever be acknowledged.

This list is based on onscreen Multiverse connections and producer input (which is the case for Krypton, Gotham, Gotham Knights, Sandman, Powerless, Naomi, The Batman and Watchmen). I didn't pull any of this out of thin air.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

This list is based on onscreen Multiverse connections and producer input (which is the case for Krypton, Gotham, Gotham Knights, Sandman, Powerless, Naomi, The Batman and Watchmen). I didn't pull any of this out of thin air.

Noted. Is there an IRL chronological order of when these connections/input occur (mainly so I know when to watch them on my Viewing Order)?

 

[selfishmisery]

Noted. Is there an IRL chronological order of when these connections/input occur (mainly so I know when to watch them on my Viewing Order)?

Well, there's 3 "stages" of DC's Live-action Multiverse for starters:
1.) The 1st "stage" - Smallville (Earth-167) basically sets the stage for the Multiverse concept in season 10 and the Season 11 comics, although it never brings up other live-action continuities and it basically wipes out a bunch of nothing-Earths of the higher echelon to a smaller number by the time the Arrowverse begins - until Crisis on Infinite Earths.

2.) The 2nd "stage" is Post-Crisis. More on that when I have the time to explain what order, chicken-and-the-egg, that provides. It encompasses most of what I listed above. Some like Batman '66 existed before Crisis, but again, more on that later. Others are newly created for this "stage" of the Multiverse.

3.) The Flash film essentially causes the 3rd and final iteration of the live-action multiverse - Post-Flashpoint. This is a largely vague and so far unexplored territory/period for DC right now. The DCEU, DCU, Arrowverse (Earth-Prime) and Superman & Lois's unknown Earth are 100% part of it. Other Earths that existed prior to Flashpoint (but post-Crisis) presumably still exist or merged with other Earths. The specifics aren't fully explained yet, that's all for Gunn's team to decide for the future.

I'll give the viewing order later. Just wanted to explain the background some.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Well, there's 3 "stages" of DC's Live-action Multiverse for starters:
1.) The 1st "stage" - Smallville (Earth-167) basically sets the stage for the Multiverse concept in season 10 and the Season 11 comics, although it never brings up other live-action continuities and it basically wipes out a bunch of nothing-Earths of the higher echelon to a smaller number by the time the Arrowverse begins - until Crisis on Infinite Earths.

2.) The 2nd "stage" is Post-Crisis. More on that when I have the time to explain what order, chicken-and-the-egg, that provides. It encompasses most of what I listed above. Some like Batman '66 existed before Crisis, but again, more on that later. Others are newly created for this "stage" of the Multiverse.

3.) The Flash film essentially causes the 3rd and final iteration of the live-action multiverse - Post-Flashpoint. This is a largely vague and so far unexplored territory/period for DC right now. The DCEU, DCU, Arrowverse (Earth-Prime) and Superman & Lois's unknown Earth are 100% part of it. Other Earths that existed prior to Flashpoint (but post-Crisis) presumably still exist or merged with other Earths. The specifics aren't fully explained yet, that's all for Gunn's team to decide for the future.

I'll give the viewing order later. Just wanted to explain the background some.

Roger that. Asking as I'm planning to start Arrow S1 very soon, so I wanted to know an optimal order to explore the entirety of the DC multiverse(s), both Live-Action and Animated (barring nonsense like Teen Titans Go, obviously).

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Anything on the Viewing Order?

 

[selfishmisery]

Anything on the Viewing Order?View attachment 3708

Next month. I'm going through a personal crisis tonight.

 

[Pro Bot]

Roger that. Asking as I'm planning to start Arrow S1 very soon, so I wanted to know an optimal order to explore the entirety of the DC multiverse(s), both Live-Action and Animated (barring nonsense like Teen Titans Go, obviously).

I do have one but it's missing a lot.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]