DC Extended Universe / DC Universe - Timeline

[woodlark_289]

The 4th one is during "Spring Break", per the description on the Animation News Network article.

package pandemonium (the 3rd one) could be a reference to a holiday gift, giving pretty clear placements for each short

 

[ChrisLyne]

package pandemonium (the 3rd one) could be a reference to a holiday gift, giving pretty clear placements for each short

It is, the images released show that it's set at/around Christmas.

 

[selfishmisery]

There's still military and people scattering in Metropolis in the post-credits scene in the Superman post-credits scene, so it can't be more than a few days after the wormhole zipped up and the pocket dimension cleaned out by the troops.

 

[selfishmisery]

We're getting a flashback to Rick Flag Jr.'s funeral service in Peacemaker s2, from previews I saw.

I'm curious if they'll have a time stamp of how long ago that was, so we know it's 2 years ago (putting CC the same year as Superman) or 3 years ago (putting CC in 2024).

 

[ChrisLyne]

There's still military and people scattering in Metropolis in the post-credits scene in the Superman post-credits scene, so it can't be more than a few days after the wormhole zipped up and the pocket dimension cleaned out by the troops.

Gunn said that scene was originally in the film and he moved it to post credits so I'm guessing it was originally placed either just before or just after the scene where all Lex's prisoners were freed and the Superman/Lois kiss (probably before).

 

[selfishmisery]

Gunn said that scene was originally in the film and he moved it to post credits so I'm guessing it was originally placed either just before or just after the scene where all Lex's prisoners were freed and the Superman/Lois kiss (probably before).

I guess it could be done in one day. Superman works fast.

 

[selfishmisery]

This isn't anything reflective of the timeline nor changes I will ever make, but my take on how DCEU's Flashpoint split the universes - when restoring hope to a world devoid of it, Superman's death was undone in the DCEU and thus what was once the consequence of that, the Suicide Squad's history and general purpose, occurs on another Earth with a new history/purpose encompassing it. They never existed in the DCEU now.

So, what's canon after Flashpoint?
DCEU (Earth-1):

1. Man of Steel (ALTERED; an older Bruce means a Batman with a different history and potentially different outlook on life, thus Zod likely never got as far as he did assuming Clark had more help and less BS. Perhaps a League began long before 2017 in the current timeline.)
2. Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman 1984
3. Aquaman and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (slightly-ALTERED; He never fought Steppenwolf, that along with BvS are erased)
4. Shazam and Shazam: Fury of the Gods (slightly-ALTERED; BvS and JL events never happened so forget any references to them happened in the current timeline. Economos and Halcourt can still have their DCEU dopplegangers with no Suicide Squad. NOT Rick Flag, however, more on that in a minute.)
5. Black Adam

Blue Beetle is arguable. It either happened in both, or Palmera City's LexCorp is a regional subsidary of LuthorCorp. That post-credits scene with Ted Kord did NOT happen in the DCEU, if it will matter in the DCU down the line.

Now the DCU's canon starts with Creature Commandos but what is adjacent?
Simply, Suicide Squad's existence and basic history. However, the 2016 film is non-existent, non-adjacent and meaningless. No Jared Leto Joker, period. Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn is a question mark, but if she exists in the DCU then in my headcanon roughly quite a bit of Birds of Prey might have occured as well - but far, far more differences than Gunn's The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker season one have now in the DCU.

 

[selfishmisery]

This isn't anything reflective of the timeline nor changes I will ever make, but my take on how DCEU's Flashpoint split the universes - when restoring hope to a world devoid of it, Superman's death was undone in the DCEU and thus what was once the consequence of that, the Suicide Squad's history and general purpose, occurs on another Earth with a new history/purpose encompassing it. They never existed in the DCEU now.

So, what's canon after Flashpoint?
DCEU (Earth-1):

1. Man of Steel (ALTERED; an older Bruce means a Batman with a different history and potentially different outlook on life, thus Zod likely never got as far as he did assuming Clark had more help and less BS. Perhaps a League began long before 2017 in the current timeline.)
2. Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman 1984
3. Aquaman and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom (slightly-ALTERED; He never fought Steppenwolf, that along with BvS are erased)
4. Shazam and Shazam: Fury of the Gods (slightly-ALTERED; BvS and JL events never happened so forget any references to them happened in the current timeline. Economos and Halcourt can still have their DCEU dopplegangers with no Suicide Squad. NOT Rick Flag, however, more on that in a minute.)
5. Black Adam

Blue Beetle is arguable. It either happened in both, or Palmera City's LexCorp is a regional subsidary of LuthorCorp. That post-credits scene with Ted Kord did NOT happen in the DCEU, if it will matter in the DCU down the line.

Now the DCU's canon starts with Creature Commandos but what is adjacent?
Simply, Suicide Squad's existence and basic history. However, the 2016 film is non-existent, non-adjacent and meaningless. No Jared Leto Joker, period. Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn is a question mark, but if she exists in the DCU then in my headcanon roughly quite a bit of Birds of Prey might have occured as well - but far, far more differences than Gunn's The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker season one.

Further headcanon with less-evidence points:
Earth-9 (Titans) and Earth-19 (Swamp Thing) merged with the DCEU post-Flashpoint. Sandman and Dead Boy Detectives occur exclusively in post-Flashpoint DCEU; Lyta Hall being the daughter of Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman and not-Steve, born in early-1985. Hector Hall and Don Hall are illegitimate sons of Carter Hall in his youth.

(Don't get me started on Lucifer and those differences. That show is just Earth-33 post-Crisis and Flashpoint. A world that resembles the real world the most. Luci could even say "Hi" to Naomi McDuffie a few states over.)

Suicide Squad history, as well as Earth-21 (Doom Patrol), get embedded into Earth-2 (Stargirl). Earth-2 post-Flashpoint is the DCU. Stargirl is largely unchanged but Doom Patrol occured with subtle differences such as no Superman nor JL existed yet. Animal Vegetable Mineral Man, also, mutates increasingly more brutish.

 

[selfishmisery]

I have no life and DC must read.

 

[selfishmisery]

Double Toasted slightly spoiled it 3 minutes into their review (and again 24 minutes in) but it appears Peacemaker's dad got the Quantum folding multiverse tech decades ago, apparently stolen from ARGUS or some other source. White Dragon didn't make it, clearly.

 

[Dok]

I don't know if someone mentioned it but Gunn said that Peacemaker 1×07 is 100% purely canon.

 

[Pro Bot]

Murn's face isn't canon. He really just means the events happened the exact same.

 

[Dok]

Oh my bad he didn't think about that I guess aha

 

[Pro Bot]

No, I mean, you haven't done anything wrong. Gunn really is just pretty loose when it comes to talking about canon for S1 and The Suicide Squad.

 

[Dok]

Does anyone have a recap/list from the podcast of what Gunn says is canon and what isn't?

 

[ChrisLyne]

Gunn just confirmed the Krypto shorts aren't canon.

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/...QF0fqQyfrvX2sbWGusJJ9GQSR2ZqyNCDlKpbvHb_jl2jg

 

[Dego Strange]

Gunn just confirmed the Krypto shorts aren't canon.

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/...QF0fqQyfrvX2sbWGusJJ9GQSR2ZqyNCDlKpbvHb_jl2jg

2 Gunn L in one day

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Gunn just confirmed the Krypto shorts aren't canon.

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/...QF0fqQyfrvX2sbWGusJJ9GQSR2ZqyNCDlKpbvHb_jl2jg

Remember this is the same guy that says canon is up to you. If you want to pretend Batman and Greedo.....

 

[ChrisLyne]

Remember this is the same guy that says canon is up to you. If you want to pretend Batman and Greedo.....

I think it would be fair to say he was talking about your individual personal canon there and official canon here.

Your personal canon can be whatever you want, but going down that road there's no real point to threads like this as it can be whatever.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

I think it would be fair to say he was talking about your individual personal canon there and official canon here.

Your personal canon can be whatever you want, but going down that road there's no real point to threads like this as it can be whatever.

I understand. For me, I don't count R rated parody style content (like Peacemaker). I prefer standard PG-13 superhero fare, not hard R rated vulgarity.

 

[Pro Bot]

Gunn just confirmed the Krypto shorts aren't canon.

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/...QF0fqQyfrvX2sbWGusJJ9GQSR2ZqyNCDlKpbvHb_jl2jg

Dumb as ****, tbh.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Dumb as ****, tbh.

I say we count them personally.

 

[Pro Bot]

Gunn also said I Am Groot isn't canon, so whatever. It just annoys the crap out of me that he's like this. He sees canon differently, I think. Canon doesn't mean important to the story.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Gunn also said I Am Groot isn't canon, so whatever. It just annoys the crap out of me that he's like this. He sees canon differently, I think. Canon doesn't mean important to the story.

I know this is a big topic, but I just don't see James lasting in this role. I have a vote of no confidence in his leadership ability.

 

[selfishmisery]

Gunn also said I Am Groot isn't canon, so whatever. It just annoys the crap out of me that he's like this. He sees canon differently, I think. Canon doesn't mean important to the story.

Gunn has total control over the DCU. Period.

 

[Pro Bot]

I'm counting them for myself because I know what he's like and I honestly don't trust his definition of canon. Marvel TV shows aren't canon, I Am Groot isn't canon, the canon MCU comics aren't canon, but a freaking unfinished deleted scene for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is canon. Yeah, right.

 

[Pro Bot]

Gunn has total control over the DCU. Period.

I'm aware. Still, **** him for that.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

I'm counting them for myself because I know what he's like and I honestly don't trust his definition of canon. Marvel TV shows aren't canon, I Am Groot isn't canon, the canon MCU comics aren't canon, but a freaking unfinished deleted scene for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is canon. Yeah, right.

Exactly why I don't think he's the right person for the job.

 

[Pro Bot]

I like James Gunn as a director, too. I think he's probably going to be great for the DCU... but people need to stop asking him about canon.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

I like James Gunn as a director, too. I think he's probably going to be great for the DCU... but people need to stop asking him about canon.

Time will tell, but every interview I watch he lacks confidence that a Kevin Feige or a George Lucas would have.