Arrowverse / DC-CW Timeline (v 3.0)

[selfishmisery]

Of course. My apologies, was just curious, is all.

You're good. I just can't get distracted and negate my responsibilities on most days.

 

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2017
January
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:00:00 - 0:09:51) [Earth-X]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:09:52 - 0:10:01) [Unknown Realm]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:11:05 - 0:22:05) [Earth-1]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:22:06 - 0:22:56) [Earth-X]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:22:57 - 0:27:53) [Earth-1]

January 8
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:27:54 - 0:28:11) [Earth-1]

January
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:28:12 - 0:35:38) [Earth-1]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:35:39 - 0:37:30) [Earth-X]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:37:31 - 0:56:53) [Earth-1]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:56:54 - 0:57:01) [Unknown Realm]
Freedom Fighters: The Ray (0:57:02 - 1:10:36) [Earth-X]

 

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The Justice League reference happens very shortly after 28 minutes, 11 seconds in the film. Also, the film version of Freedom Fighters: The Ray is called "Freedom Fighters: The Ray", not "Freedom Fighters: The Ray - The Movie".

 

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Yo, I finally found it!!!

 

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https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Beebo_Saves_ChristmasIn-universe fiction still counts, right?

 

[selfishmisery]

Yo, I finally found it!!!

Okay so that's still consistent with his storyline through all of Legends of Tomorrow too.

https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Beebo_Saves_ChristmasIn-universe fiction still counts, right?

I know the character has been mentioned a lot but that particular special was not mentioned once in-universe.
I'll look into it when I can.

 

[selfishmisery]

Also, Neron = Manny (Neron took over Amenadiel's body and changed it to look unfamiliar, since poor Amenadiel was stuck guarding Hell while Lucifer was away.)

 

[selfishmisery]

Zed Martin's last scene was her getting flirty with Jim Corrigan right?
Maybe she left John for him after Constantine's final scene the two prevented both her fate with her dad and Jim from being Spectre.

 

[Pro Bot]

Okay so that's still consistent with his storyline through all of Legends of Tomorrow too.

I know the character has been mentioned a lot but that particular special was not mentioned once in-universe.
I'll look into it when I can.

They said it was canonical in-universe fiction according to the trivia.

 

[Pro Bot]

Zed Martin's last scene was her getting flirty with Jim Corrigan right?
Maybe she left John for him after Constantine's final scene the two prevented both her fate with her dad and Jim from being Spectre.

I honestly don't remember, but it sounds about right.

 

[Pro Bot]

Yeah, that short was actually really consistent with Legends of Tomorrow.

 

[selfishmisery]

Okay.

TTYL I gotta get ready for funeral services.

EDIT: I'm home.

 

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Also, Neron = Manny (Neron took over Amenadiel's body and changed it to look unfamiliar, since poor Amenadiel was stuck guarding Hell while Lucifer was away.)
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I dig any theories that resolve Constantine.

 

[selfishmisery]

I dig any theories that resolve Constantine.

I definitely think the Amenadiel similarities (especially the time slowing powers) were intentional and internal, over at DC Television at that time. I don't know how, maybe producer notes or writers sharing ideas in case of future crossovers. Regardless, it's never outright confirmed but I think DC doesn't do that for the sake of casual audience understanding.

Even when Lucifer pilot aired and Amenadiel was talking about a rising dark threat at the gates of Hell he was preventing offscreen, that lines up with Constantine's "Rising Darkness", that in turn is resolved and ALMOST called what it was ("The darkness...is rising.") in Legends of Tomorrow.

Even around that same time in early-2016, you had Oliver drop a line about Constantine being "in Hell" briefly to where he couldn't help. Probably trying to split Neron and Amenadiel apart and stopping that mess.

 

[selfishmisery]

I definitely think the Amenadiel similarities (especially the time slowing powers) were intentional and internal, over at DC Television at that time. I don't know how, maybe producer notes or writers sharing ideas in case of future crossovers. Regardless, it's never outright confirmed but I think DC doesn't do that for the sake of casual audience understanding.

Even when Lucifer pilot aired and Amenadiel was talking about a rising dark threat at the gates of Hell he was preventing offscreen, that lines up with Constantine's "Rising Darkness", that in turn is resolved and ALMOST called what it was ("The darkness...is rising.") in Legends of Tomorrow.

Even around that same time in early-2016, you had Oliver drop a line about Constantine being "in Hell" briefly to where he couldn't help. Probably trying to split Neron and Amenadiel apart and stopping that mess.

Even though the events of Lucifer are set post-Crisis, Amenadiel is still in Hell and Lucifer was on another Earth regardless pre-Crisis.

I honestly don't remember, but it sounds about right.

Considering the Jim Corrigan doppelgänger that was housing the Spectre wasn't housing Earth-1's, I assume his destiny and Zed's were not fulfilled and they lived happily ever after. You kinda have to assume the simplest outcome, since the comic storyline with Zed clearly was never going to play out onscreen and there's nothing to suggest it did offscreen.

 

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I definitely think the Amenadiel similarities (especially the time slowing powers) were intentional and internal, over at DC Television at that time. I don't know how, maybe producer notes or writers sharing ideas in case of future crossovers. Regardless, it's never outright confirmed but I think DC doesn't do that for the sake of casual audience understanding.

Even when Lucifer pilot aired and Amenadiel was talking about a rising dark threat at the gates of Hell he was preventing offscreen, that lines up with Constantine's "Rising Darkness", that in turn is resolved and ALMOST called what it was ("The darkness...is rising.") in Legends of Tomorrow.

Despite none of the events being seen, Constantine still happened Post-Crisis due to John's will in Legends of Tomorrow referencing the Black Diamond, Chas, Nommo and Felix Faust. It makes sense that Lucifer could reference that.

Even around that same time in early-2016, you had Oliver drop a line about Constantine being "in Hell" briefly to where he couldn't help. Probably trying to split Neron and Amenadiel apart and stopping that mess.

I always assumed that that reference referred to the off-screen continuation of Constantine too.

 

[FrankenCastle]

Do you consider City of Demons as part of the CW or as part of the DCAMU ?

 

[barryh]

I haven't watched any Arrowverse so I'm unsure as to what counts a show in or out. Does the antimatter wave in John Henry's flashback in Superman & Lois 1x12 give the series an explicit connection to the Arrowverse Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover?

 

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Do you consider City of Demons as part of the CW or as part of the DCAMU ?

It's factually part of the DCAMU, confirmed by the people who worked on it. It completely contradicts the Arrowverse.

 

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I haven't watched any Arrowverse so I'm unsure as to what counts a show in or out. Does the antimatter wave in John Henry's flashback in Superman & Lois 1x12 give the series an explicit connection to the Arrowverse Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover?

It does. However, that doesn't make it Arrowverse any more than the DCEU or Stargirl.

The Arrowverse, I would say, used to refer to the entire multiverse. Then, when Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, that could no longer be considered the case due to how many things were connected.

So, Earth-Prime is the Arrowverse for simplicity. Earth-1, Earth-38 and Earth-BL can be taken as Arrowverse due to Earth-Prime being a merger of those worlds.

 

[barryh]

It does. However, that doesn't make it Arrowverse any more than the DCEU or Stargirl.

The Arrowverse, I would say, used to refer to the entire multiverse. Then, when Crisis on Infinite Earths happened, that could no longer be considered the case due to how many things were connected.

So, Earth-Prime is the Arrowverse for simplicity. Earth-1, Earth-38 and Earth-BL can be taken as Arrowverse due to Earth-Prime being a merger of those worlds.

Thanks, that's helpful. I assumed Crisis on Infinite Earths had just referenced non-Arrowverse shows and films - I didn't know any references went the other way.

 

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I take it that the World's Finest crossover between Supergirl and The Flash involved Barry time travelling to the Future within Earth-38? I mean, he did return to Earth-1 a second or two after he left.

 

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For viewing order purposes, I just placed Supergirl 1x06-1x18 before The Flash 2x18 since that episode is chronologically right after (and before) his visit to Earth-38.

 

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https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Legendary

• Quentin explains to Sara that he's the only member of Team Arrow around because everyone else is working to take down Darhk. Thus, this episode likely takes place during Arrow Season 4's "Genesis" since during that episode:
  • Oliver and Felicity are in Hub City meeting with Esrin Fortuna.
  • Diggle is in A.R.G.U.S. protection with Lyla and Sara.
  • Thea is on a "vacation" with Alex Davis.

Thoughts?

 

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https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Vixen

Marc Guggenheim has definitively stated that the first season takes place circa Arrow's "The Offer".[4][5]

 

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That's referring to Season 1's events, not the extra scenes from the movie.

 

[Pro Bot]

Based on contextual clues, the second season takes place somewhere between Arrow's "Legends of Yesterday" and The Flash's "Running to Stand Still" as Ray Palmer is no longer presumed dead (found alive in Arrow's "Lost Souls"), Barry does not comment on Oliver's sleeveless costume (he is surprised to notice it during the Heroes Join Forces crossover), Jefferson Jackson is now Firestorm (The Flash's "The Fury of Firestorm"), Mark Mardon is not in Iron Heights (he was arrested in The Flash's "Running to Stand Still"), and the Legends have not yet been recruited by Rip Hunter. Furthermore, Vixen: The Movie indicates that a year has passed since the events of the first season and Oliver Queen is currently running for mayor of Star City, as seen in Arrow season four.

Also, Season 2 (or, the latter half) is set between Arrow 4x08 and The Flash 2x09.

 

[selfishmisery]

It's gonna be a while before I return to this.

 

[selfishmisery]

October 13th is Mia Queen's birthday.
https://bleedingcool.com/tv/arrow-katherine-mcnamara-wishes-mia-smoak-queen-a-happy-birthday/

 

[selfishmisery]

I got a theory regarding that cliffhanger villain in Batwoman's final scene...it wasn't just Dr. Phosphorus.

https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_mangled_figure


In order for Jerome clone to become "Joker", Jeremiah had to die.
Hugo Strange being behind some things in Batwoman might have been the plan for season 4, my guess.
Caroline Dries might have been planning to retroactively have Gotham as Arrowverse canon in some way.