DC TV Shows (Non-Arrowverse) Timelines

selfishmisery said:
And Hugo Strange, imo, was Mary Hamilton's biological dad and who manipulated her mom into making a deal with Safiyah for Desert Rose to extend his lifespan…Until his ex-wife (Mary's mom) hired Joker (Jerome clone or Jeremiah, you be the judge) to kill and spill Hugo's guts all over a map he made of Coryana to hide the evidence.
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Jerome's clone is better. Jack Napier name and he looks closer to the Joker from Batwoman because he has no burns.

selfishmisery said:
An element of Earth-Prime that got shifted in S&L/GK's Earth was Bruce's clone not bleeding out in some ditch somewhere and instead becoming Lincoln March in this split timeline.
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Yeah, fits. I do wonder if Justice U was truly going to be in the same timeline as S&L and GK.
 
Pro Bot said:
Well, fuck. That's a bit confusing having the comic and show be in different Earths, along with said prequel show being set in Earth-Prime fully. I guess it works out though.
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Here's the thing: Alfred's backstory literally conflicts, not from the show, but from the Gotham Dawn of Darkness tie-in novel.

His blonde French spy girlfriend in the Pennyworth comic is Shirley Penrose...who betrays and abandons him for the Russians in the mid-70s.
His blonde French spy girlfriend in the Gotham novel is Gabrielle Brument...who is shot dead by Russians in the mid-70s; as it's said Bruce was "nigh-two years old" (c. before February 19, 1977) weeks before Gabrielle is said to have been killed.

The Pennyworth comic could be Earth-Prime now that I think about it...if you assume the KGBeast in that is a totally different "KGBeast".
 
Clearly there are elements aren't canon in a version of events, but canon in an older version.

Hence why I think the purpose of Gotham's continuity is to be a rough "memory" or malleable version of an Arrowverse-adjacent Batman's history.
 
selfishmisery said:
Here's the thing: Alfred's backstory literally conflicts, not from the show, but from the Gotham Dawn of Darkness tie-in novel.

His blonde French spy girlfriend in the Pennyworth comic is Shirley Penrose...who betrays and abandons him for the Russians in the mid-70s.
His blonde French spy girlfriend in the Gotham novel is Gabrielle Brument...who is shot dead by Russians in the mid-70s; as it's said Bruce was "nigh-two years old" (c. before February 19, 1977) weeks before Gabrielle is said to have been killed.

The Pennyworth comic could be Earth-Prime now that I think about it...if you assume the KGBeast in that is a totally different "KGBeast".
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I mean, he could always just have a thing for blonde French spies with relations to Russia.
 
Also, Two-Face is mentioned in the Pennyworth comic.

I guess Harvey Dent at some point between the present day events of that comic (pre-Batman leaving Gotham in 2015) and 2021 he redeemed himself and returned to lawyering.
 
selfishmisery said:
Also, Two-Face is mentioned in the Pennyworth comic.

I guess Harvey Dent at some point between the present day events of that comic (pre-Batman leaving Gotham in 2015) and 2021 he redeemed himself and returned to lawyering.
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Two-Face

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Harvey

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Hmm...
 
Pro Bot said:
You know, having the plan to watch the Arrowverse entirely soonish, it's kinda disappointing that Superman & Lois isn't the same universe. Damn, I wish we could have got that Batwoman crossover.

I still like to think of it as either a branched timeline to Earth-Prime (with Gotham Knights) or Post-Crisis Earth-38. Using the same actors but not the same characters is weird to me. Renee Montoya in Gotham and Batwoman, for example, feels like the same character, as do the Arrowverse and Superman & Lois characters.
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Also, Brainiac 5 was informed prior to the funeral for the William guy in Supergirl's final episode that he needed to give up his consciousness to the "Big Brain" in the future. He negated that responsibility to spend more time with Nia/Dreamer. Unfortunately, what is implied but never stated was that since the Lex/Nyxly "Anoited Ones" future was erased, the timeline was still at risk.

This I think gave Brainiac the freedom to remove Superman from Earth-Prime.

…maybe Chronarch (who might be the head of the Time Police and Booster Gold's dad) was working with Brainiac and is who gave Magog the delusion of hating heroes and gave him the power staff.

If it were up to me, I think DC could do it as a limited series comic run…I would tie him to William's kidnapping and base the Chronarch's likeness on Harold Perrineau as an inside joke and reference to his prior role as Manny.
 
selfishmisery said:
I would tie him to William's kidnapping
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Theory: The hooded figures were led by Artemis, who survived the explosions on Lian Yu, teaming up with the Ninth Circle and Lowbow Hunters in 2040.

Mia said his kidnappers time-traveled as she stated she found "chronal energy" in her final appearance in The Flash s8.

The Shadow Board in Black Lightning are also probably the head council for the Ninth Circle.

Like I said, you can wrap up all this in a seven-issue "Earth-Prime: Forever War" comic run or whatever.
 
Hard to believe Watchtower Database collabed with this neckbeard dumbfuck.

This is the 2nd of the 3 times he spewed the same exact talking points, also. Gotta make that cheese I guess…ugh.
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selfishmisery said:
Hard to believe Watchtower Database collabed with this neckbeard dumbfuck.

This is the 2nd of the 3 times he spewed the same exact talking points, also. Gotta make that cheese I guess…ugh.
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To summarize, Vee Infuso is closeted-MAGA guy that gatekeeps Batman fandom and clearly isnt educated enough on the lore to where he thinks the Court of Owls are "League of Assassin knock offs" and Jason Todd is just simply "a whiny chud".

These vids in particular, he never discusses the premise nor judges it on its own merits - only what is "missing" from it that he wanted but didn't get. And blames the writers for race swaps and other meaningless shit that I am sure wasn't a sole product of the writers room. Then repeats the same "Ughhh so baaaaaad" quips that feel like Linkara or Spoony level reviewing.

God I hate people so stupid like this but it earns them such massive viewership regardless of their inability to not be bias and spew misinformation.

Seems like a perfect person to take a opinion from.
Or, watch this to understand why sheeple with the loudest voices shouldn't matter.
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selfishmisery said:
Hard to believe Watchtower Database collabed with this neckbeard dumbfuck.

This is the 2nd of the 3 times he spewed the same exact talking points, also. Gotta make that cheese I guess…ugh.
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I watched a few of his videos. He likes Gotham, but he seems to hate the CW a bunch. I get it. There are certain things I don't like, there's a lot of rubbish writing, but I think Batwoman and Gotham Knights are hated too strongly. I'd argue The Flash gets much worse than either of them ever were.

Yeah, I mean, I don't like the premise of Gotham Knights, but it was clearly made by people who love Batman. The show LOOKS good, there's solid actors, great villains, decent writing, but all that gets thrown away because it's a "woke" show where Batman died.

As for Batwoman, I would have loved to see Batman in the Arrowverse proper, but it's not the CW's fault that they ended up with a bad deal. If DC were smart, they'd allow multiple versions of Batman on television to exist alongside the films. The Arrowverse was CONSTANTLY getting shafted by the DCEU. Batwoman was actually pretty decent and gave us Batman lore in a DC world that needed it. I don't think most Batwoman haters actually bothered to watch the show. It's good! Very flawed, yes, but still.

The most tragic thing about the Arrowverse is that we were so close to getting a full-on proper DC Universe after Crisis on Infinite Earths. Superman was going to be a main character in the highest budget show, Batwoman was giving us the closest thing to a Batman show they were allowed, they were implying a lot of crossover lore with Earth-Prime, we had a half-decent Justice League, and then... poof! All gone, half the shows had cliffhangers, and one was made non-canon. I know nothing is ever really gone, but I'm just disappointed that Earth-38/Prime's Superman really did end up just existing to make his cousin look better and never got his time to shine despite being the most important DC character ever.

selfishmisery said:
To summarize, Vee Infuso is closeted-MAGA guy
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Yep, you've said enough for me. :p
 
Pro Bot said:
I watched a few of his videos. He likes Gotham, but he seems to hate the CW a bunch. I get it. There are certain things I don't like, there's a lot of rubbish writing, but I think Batwoman and Gotham Knights are hated too strongly. I'd argue The Flash gets much worse than either of them ever were.

Yeah, I mean, I don't like the premise of Gotham Knights, but it was clearly made by people who love Batman. The show LOOKS good, there's solid actors, great villains, decent writing, but all that gets thrown away because it's a "woke" show where Batman died.

As for Batwoman, I would have loved to see Batman in the Arrowverse proper, but it's not the CW's fault that they ended up with a bad deal. If DC were smart, they'd allow multiple versions of Batman on television to exist alongside the films. The Arrowverse was CONSTANTLY getting shafted by the DCEU. Batwoman was actually pretty decent and gave us Batman lore in a DC world that needed it. I don't think most Batwoman haters actually bothered to watch the show. It's good! Very flawed, yes, but still.

The most tragic thing about the Arrowverse is that we were so close to getting a full-on proper DC Universe after Crisis on Infinite Earths. Superman was going to be a main character in the highest budget show, Batwoman was giving us the closest thing to a Batman show they were allowed, they were implying a lot of crossover lore with Earth-Prime, we had a half-decent Justice League, and then... poof! All gone, half the shows had cliffhangers, and one was made non-canon. I know nothing is ever really gone, but I'm just disappointed that Earth-38/Prime's Superman really did end up just existing to make his cousin look better and never got his time to shine despite being the most important DC character ever.


Yep, you've said enough for me. :p
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The Flash became so insufferable that it was beyond my comprehension that was perceived as more "quality" than Batwoman.
 
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More stuff. It's set during Ray Palmer's childhood, so I guess viewing order-wise it's set between Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 4 and Part 5 (the creation of Earth-Prime).
 
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