Can anything be done with the Fantastic Four franchise at this point?

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Well, sure. They can easily take the story in a multitude of directions. Sure, they are somewhat limited due to the - well, botched would be too kind of a word - job done to the previous two entries, but with Fantastic Four, the skies are the limit.
 

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Since they're so obsessed with trilogies these days, I think the second movie should have been Namor and the third should have been Silver Surfer/Galactus. It makes more sense this way because I don't really know where you can go after Galactus (if he's not a ****ing cloud).

I think Danny Boyle would be an interesting director to do an FF movie, especially after Sunshine. They should definitely try and make it more fantastic though.
 
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Wait till the Avengers, and Marvel has a **** ton of money. They buy the rights back. They reboot the franchise without the suckiness.
 

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Wait till the Avengers, and Marvel has a **** ton of money. They buy the rights back. They reboot the franchise without the suckiness.

I agree, but then what?

I always liked the Fantastic Four as quirky, pulpy science adventurers. Exploring new domains (complete with hostile locals) is always a good way to showcase teamwork without having Reed clunkily shoehorned into fight scenes or forcing his great scientific plans to all involve Ben punching something. But I'm not sure how well that would translate onto the big screen.
 

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They are adventurers, and that should be reflected. The Negative Zone and Annihillus could be an excellent way to go.
 

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They could definitely continue it if they want, but there is that inherent problem that ProjectX2 mention. What the hell do you do after Galactus? He's the top dog. There's really nothing that can quite top that in terms of threat. But I don't see why the F4 movies get so much hate. It seems like people only really hate it just for the hell of it. I think they're ok movies, there's only a few things holding them back from being very good. People act like their as bad as ghost rider when really its not. I mean like the whole cloud business, it's actually a really good idea, instead of a sci fi 60's spaceship design, galactus resides inside this crazy force of nature that look freakin epic. Don't get me wrong, I was pretty pissed that galactus turned out to be pink energy in the shape of his helmet and was takin' out by the silver surfer(?). I mean if they just replaced that with a sentient physical being on a thrown you would all say that the cloud was a great idea.

And again I'm not saying its a great movie, it has a bunch of problems but their not that big that keeps it from being simply an enjoyable movie
 

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I think Danny Boyle would be an interesting director to do an FF movie, especially after Sunshine. They should definitely try and make it more fantastic though.
It's funny you mention that, because when I first saw Sunshine that was the first thing I thought:

Danny Boyle's Fantastic Four. Sure it would most likely not have much of a sense of humor, but then again neither did Grant Morrison's Fantastic Four 1234, and it was still great in spite of it.

What I loved about Sunshine is that it touched on the psychological implications of space travel, about how just being removed from Earth and civilization has existential implications, and it did it without trying to get all verbose and heavy handed about it.

As for trilogies, I always believed that Fantastic Four still had a chance to be saved right until before the second movie came out. Just change the direction to have more insanity --- monster earthworms, cybernetic mosquitoes and megalomaniacal space bats --- so that by the time the third movie rolls around, it would epitomize the sense of fun that Jack Kirby/Stan Lee's run always had.
 

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And again I'm not saying its a great movie, it has a bunch of problems but their not that big that keeps it from being simply an enjoyable movie

I like them. They're fun and entertaining and out-of-step with the rest of superhero movies right now. You need that once in a while.

*applause from the Irishman in the front row*

Can't for the life of me understand the seething hatred for these movies, as if they were both even worse than Plan 9 from Outer Space or something.

They're fun, easy-to-watch, popcorn movies. Not every superhero movie needs to question the reality of the world we live in.
 

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I think that more could be done with The Fantastic Four franchise than the X-Men franchise. Everything is still at a status quo so any story could be told.

Yeah but Movie Doom is fairly lame, Galactus is cloud and as Ebert put it, most of the characters are idiots. At least X-Men had a few good films in their series, FF had none. A reboot seems better that the current series filled lame and pretty stupid characters, at least some of the characters in the X-films are interesting.

*applause from the Irishman in the front row*

Can't for the life of me understand the seething hatred for these movies, as if they were both even worse than Plan 9 from Outer Space or something.

They're fun, easy-to-watch, popcorn movies. Not every superhero movie needs to question the reality of the world we live in.

Ebert disagrees with you guys, he put the first FF movie in his book "Your Movie Sucks". Most film critics think those movies are garbage not fun.
 
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Yeah but Movie Doom is fairly lame, Galactus is cloud and as Ebert put it, most of the characters are idiots. At least X-Men had a few good films in their series, FF had none. A reboot seems better that the current series filled lame and pretty stupid characters, at least some of the characters in the X-films are interesting.
That's not MWOF's point.

What his point is that, presuming the reboot option isn't taken (and it is a very valid option), it's not totally irreparable.
Gothamite said:
Can't for the life of me understand the seething hatred for these movies, as if they were both even worse than Plan 9 from Outer Space or something.

They're fun, easy-to-watch, popcorn movies. Not every superhero movie needs to question the reality of the world we live in.
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Ebert disagrees with you guys, he put the first FF movie in his book "Your Movie Sucks". Most film critics think those movies are garbage not fun.
You're speaking like Ebert's opinion and those of an other critics are more important than anything else. Translation: "My favorite critic thinks you are wrong. Therefore you must be wrong."

I agree that the Fantastic Four don't need to question the reality of the world we live in, but I think what is more important to a Fantastic Four film than pleasing critics or trying to aspire to high art is actually being fun and not boring.

I mean okay, fine, some of us have praised Sunshine which by the way, is a film that received very mixed reception, but at least it had something going for it that makes it Not Boring.

That's something Fantastic Four films, or any film, should aspire to. Not critical self-importance or being artistically overwrought.

What Fantastic Four needs is to actually have something worth talking about, whether it's super-powered Russian monkeys and atomic clay puppets or the psychological interiority of becoming post-human explorers.

And the original films did neither.
 
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They are adventurers, and that should be reflected. The Negative Zone and Annihillus could be an excellent way to go.


Or the Ultimate Story where they met the Marvel Zombies. This is mainly as If done correctly like say get Sam Raimi to direct it as pretty much "Army of darkness" but with a huge marvel budget, I could get the Marvel Zombies movie I want :D
 

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That's not MWOF's point.

What his point is that, presuming the reboot option isn't taken (and it is a very valid option), it's not totally irreparable. .

Maybe not, to me that's irrelevant, to me the characters are bland, annoyng and stupid, do that in of itself is enough of a reason to be reboot.

You're speaking like Ebert's opinion and those of an other critics are more important than anything else. Translation: "My favorite critic thinks you are wrong. Therefore you must be wrong.".

Perhaps if it was just Ebert then that point would stand, but almost every critic out there says its garbage, is that irrelevant? I mean if this film franchise was something of quality wouldn't they be making a sequel to the second one, instead Fox has abanndoned the whole franchise.

I agree that the Fantastic Four don't need to question the reality of the world we live in, but I think what is more important to a Fantastic Four film than pleasing critics or trying to aspire to high art is actually being fun and not boring.

I mean okay, fine, some of us have praised Sunshine which by the way, is a film that received very mixed reception, but at least it had something going for it that makes it Not Boring.

That's something Fantastic Four films, or any film, should aspire to. Not critical self-importance or being artistically overwrought.

What Fantastic Four needs is to actually have something worth talking about, whether it's super-powered Russian monkeys and atomic clay puppets or the psychological interiority of becoming post-human explorers.

And the original films did neither.

The FF movies didn't have to deep, but they did have to be entertaining and most fans and critics have said they were not.
 

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That's not MWOF's point.

What his point is that, presuming the reboot option isn't taken (and it is a very valid option), it's not totally irreparable.

You're speaking like Ebert's opinion and those of an other critics are more important than anything else. Translation: "My favorite critic thinks you are wrong. Therefore you must be wrong."

I agree that the Fantastic Four don't need to question the reality of the world we live in, but I think what is more important to a Fantastic Four film than pleasing critics or trying to aspire to high art is actually being fun and not boring.

I mean okay, fine, some of us have praised Sunshine which by the way, is a film that received very mixed reception, but at least it had something going for it that makes it Not Boring.

That's something Fantastic Four films, or any film, should aspire to. Not critical self-importance or being artistically overwrought.

What Fantastic Four needs is to actually have something worth talking about, whether it's super-powered Russian monkeys and atomic clay puppets or the psychological interiority of becoming post-human explorers.

And the original films did neither.

As always Ourchair is right.

Also, I've said many times before, but I hate the limited thought that the only way to "save" a movies series is by rebooting it. F4 has no need to reboot, do we want to see the same damn story redone over and over again? F4 only had two movies and covered those stories fairly well. I mean, like MWoF pointed out, the status quo hasn't really changed enough, the characters have not developed as far as they go. at the end of the second movie Richards and Sue are married and Doom was already established in Latveria. Just go from there and make a new story.

Now a revamp I'm always for, instead of try to redo something you just take it into a new direction. Like get the guy who did Sunshine as director, maybe some casting changes (Evans and Chiklis are great, but definitely change Doom) and go from there.
 

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Am I the only person that thought Chiklis was awful? Blech.
 

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