Hawkeye Relaunch (Lemire/Perez) Discussion/Spoilers

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What has Perez done? I'm not sure I'm familiar with his work.

Lemire is...okay-ish. Animal Man was pretty good. I liked Trillium for the most part but it was kind of hard to follow. Those books don't really have the same feel as Hawkeye (at least Matt Fraction's Hawkeye) so I don't know. And I think that does matter; they are keeping the same logo so they are clearly expecting this to be a continuation of things.
 

Ice

Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Perez has done Wolverine & the X-Men #25-29 with Jason Aaron, Amazing Spider-Man: Learning to Crawl #1.1-1.5 and Jim Henson's Tale of Sand (to name a couple).


Lemire also wrote Green Arrow, so maybe that's why they got him on this book.
 
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Zeek

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If it's keeping with the same "character" of Hawkguy, I'm totally on board. Could be cool, will definitely check it out.
 

Ultimate Houde

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Perez has done Wolverine & the X-Men #25-29 with Jason Aaron, Amazing Spider-Man: Learning to Crawl #1.1-1.5 and Jim Henson's Tale of Sand (to name a couple).


Lemire also wrote Green Arrow, so maybe that's why they got him on this book.
Two different beasts. Green Arrow's book seem more like a rebuidling of the character, while here he'll probably be continuing the same vein of story telling like Fraction.
 

Ice

Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Two different beasts. Green Arrow's book seem more like a rebuidling of the character, while here he'll probably be continuing the same vein of story telling like Fraction.
I'm not comparing anything. I was only suggesting that because he wrote that book is maybe a reason why he was given this one, so don't see what your reply has to do with that I said. :?
 

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All-New Hawkeye by Jeff Lemire

Anyone read this? I wasn't going to bother with it but my LCS pulled it for me not knowing if I'd want it, so I took it just because and gave it a read.

It was pretty good. Obviously it spoils the end of Fraction's Hawkeye. Kate and Clint are back together and working together and Clint has his hearing back thanks to some special hearing aids from Tony Stark.

(I wonder if there will be revealed to be something going on with them given what Tony is doing in Superior Iron Man, holding San Fransisco hostage with the Extremis app...?)

There are some really nice looking painted flashback scenes of Clint and Barney when they were kids that kind of mirror what is going on in the current day.

The tone of the book...it feels like Lemire is trying way too hard to copy the tone Matt Fraction set. Kind of like Secret Avengers is doing, but not as bad.

Did anyone else read it?
 

Ultimate Houde

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Re: All-New Hawkeye by Jeff Lemire

I read it.

I wasn't impressed. I was going to give it a couple of issues before dropping to see if it discovers it's own tone instead of lamely trying to copy someone else's.
 

Zeek

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Anybody else read this?

I really dug it. A nice continuation that functions as something between Fraction's earlier stuff and a more traditional superhero book (ie Clint actually doing some Avenger-ing). I forgot how much I missed the Barton-Bishop stuff, and I'm really glad that Lemire's making use of that dynamic.
 

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I merged the thread I started not knowing this thread existed. I knew I had posted about it, and I thought Ice deleted my post but I thought it was weird he didn't repost what he deleted and take credit for it because I heard he does that.
 

Zeek

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I find it a bit curious that "it's like Fraction's run" is being wielded as a criticism. Fraction's book is the only Hawkeye ongoing that has seen any kind of success; surely it makes sense to use the characterizations and dynamics that formed the core of that book if that success is to be repeated? Did we really want Lemire to totally reinvent the character?
 
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wyokid

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I find it a bit curious that "it's like Fraction's run" is being wielded as a criticism. Fraction's book is the only Hawkeye ongoing that has seen any kind of success; surely it makes sense to use the characterizations and dynamics that formed the core of that book if that success is to be repeated? Did we really want Lemire to totally reinvent the character?
I'm waiting until Fraction's is done to read this, but yes. I was hoping for something in the vein of the current Black Widow ongoing.
 

Ice

Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
I'm waiting until Fraction's is done to read this, but yes. I was hoping for something in the vein of the current Black Widow ongoing.
That's a terrible idea, and that's not insulting Black Widow because it's a great book. This series already has an identity to it. It's pointless to change it just because it's a new volume with a new creative team. Lemire and Perez have shown in the first issue that they'll keeping the spirit of what made Hawkeye what it is, while adding their own small spin to it.
 

wyokid

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That's a terrible idea, and that's not insulting Black Widow because it's a great book. This series already has an identity to it. It's pointless to change it just because it's a new volume with a new creative team. Lemire and Perez have shown in the first issue that they'll keeping the spirit of what made Hawkeye what it is, while adding their own small spin to it.
Well it's a terrible idea for you because you've read and enjoyed the issue. I haven't. I was hoping for Black Widow and Hawkeye crossovers. Yeah I ship it!
 

Ice

Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Well it's a terrible idea for you because you've read and enjoyed the issue. I haven't. I was hoping for Black Widow and Hawkeye crossovers. Yeah I ship it!
It'd be a terrible idea wether or not I'd have read the issue.
 

E

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I find it a bit curious that "it's like Fraction's run" is being wielded as a criticism. Fraction's book is the only Hawkeye ongoing that has seen any kind of success; surely it makes sense to use the characterizations and dynamics that formed the core of that book if that success is to be repeated? Did we really want Lemire to totally reinvent the character?
My criticism was that it was trying too hard to feel like Matt Fraction's book to the point that it was a little bit lame. It can be cute or quirky without seeming like it's trying too hard.

I'm waiting until Fraction's is done to read this, but yes. I was hoping for something in the vein of the current Black Widow ongoing.
That's a terrible idea, and that's not insulting Black Widow because it's a great book. This series already has an identity to it. It's pointless to change it just because it's a new volume with a new creative team. Lemire and Perez have shown in the first issue that they'll keeping the spirit of what made Hawkeye what it is, while adding their own small spin to it.
I agree with Ice, but not so much because of any established identity per se. Hawkeye, as he is right now, is just not that kind of character. It would be even more forced and weird.
 

Zeek

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The second issue left me much less optimistic than the first did. I'll give it a couple more, because LeMire definitely seems like he's going somewhere thematically with this, but he's not great at banter (this issue definitely had the feel of "trying too hard" in a lot of the dialogue).
 
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