How many members here are Christians?
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No I meant with the official definition of religion. Atheist is not a structured religion its a type of belief. It lacks what is needed to call something a religion... or something like that.
Ultimate Houde
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Actually, we do believe in something, nothing, it's the religion of nothing.
That's how I see it.
Why argue the sematics?
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Well if you read my post right I said it was a type of belief, but to be officially an religion it has to be organized or something like that. I learned it in a religion course but its summer now so teh brainz aint workin zo wellz
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Willverine
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A friend of mine made a t-shirt with affordable t-shirt supplies you can buy at any art shop (Michael's, that sort of place) which says:
"God made me an atheist, who are you to question his judgement".
Great shirt. I like, even though I don't identify as an atheist. I'm a firm believer in believing in whatever you want to believe in as long as you don't infringe on other peoples' beliefs. I'm not a supporter of organized religion even though I was raised Catholic and even served as an altar boy (and no my priest didn't molest me). Through life I've learned that there are a lot of people in this world and most of them don't agree on the concept of god even if they believe in god, so I don't subscribe to any established version of god.
Respect is key, as everyone has their own version of god. God is god, right? Or is it? I don't know... neither do you... neither does anyone else... so don't judge. You might just be wrong.
"God made me an atheist, who are you to question his judgement".
Great shirt. I like, even though I don't identify as an atheist. I'm a firm believer in believing in whatever you want to believe in as long as you don't infringe on other peoples' beliefs. I'm not a supporter of organized religion even though I was raised Catholic and even served as an altar boy (and no my priest didn't molest me). Through life I've learned that there are a lot of people in this world and most of them don't agree on the concept of god even if they believe in god, so I don't subscribe to any established version of god.
Respect is key, as everyone has their own version of god. God is god, right? Or is it? I don't know... neither do you... neither does anyone else... so don't judge. You might just be wrong.
Ultimate Houde
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ourchair
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I've always believed that atheism does not mean "There is no God and you believe in nothing." I've always believed atheism meant "If there IS a God --- and I ain't saying there is one --- I don't worship him."
That is to say it is not about repudiating the existence of everybody else's God, so much as it is refusing to make A God the foundation of your spiritual beliefs.
Bass
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Heh, I've seen that slogan online too.
According to my friends who are born-again atheists, it's categorically, "There is no afterlife and no God."
ourchair
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I'm sure there is a wide spectrum of theological values among atheists. Orthodox Atheists, Protestant Atheists, Reformation Atheists, etc.
I mean the core concept of atheism is just "no God" and how you arrive at that conclusion can vary wildly.
McCheese
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Atheists believe there is no God.
Agnostics recognize the possiblity of a God, but don't know if there is one for sure and don't worship him.
Agnostics recognize the possiblity of a God, but don't know if there is one for sure and don't worship him.
Bass
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ourchair
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Damn straight.
I deserve a Bass Award for everytime I bring up Where My Heart Will Take Me.
I categorize a bit differently, from a language perspective.McCheese said:
Agnostics = A + GNOSTIC
Therefore = Do not believe it is possible to know God, and whether there is one or not is actually beside the point. They don't 'don't know there is one' so much as they don't think it is certain to know him/her/it.
Atheist = A + THEIST
Therefore = There is no God, and even if there was one, wouldn't really want to worship it anyway since they prefer to build their moral and spiritual foundation on secular/humanist philosophies. God's existence is beside the point.
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All I can say is that the people I know who are atheist or agnostic don't fit either of those descriptions.
All the atheists I know believe that there is no God, and not the other stuff you said at all. The Agnostics simply don't see enough proof either way, but don't refuse to believe that it would be impossible for proof to exist or anything.
Edit: Forgot to mention, I know one atheist who thinks there isn't a God, but is open to the concept of and hopes their IS an afterlife. Go figure.
All the atheists I know believe that there is no God, and not the other stuff you said at all. The Agnostics simply don't see enough proof either way, but don't refuse to believe that it would be impossible for proof to exist or anything.
Edit: Forgot to mention, I know one atheist who thinks there isn't a God, but is open to the concept of and hopes their IS an afterlife. Go figure.
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SSJmole
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i'm atheist. When it comes to the afterlife i believe once your dead your dead that's it. No heaven/hell , No reincarnation No coming back to suck young girls in to the tv. Just dead.
But i have no problem with people who do believe as long as they don't force it upon me (no one here does that but you know the type I mean)
But i have no problem with people who do believe as long as they don't force it upon me (no one here does that but you know the type I mean)
Gemini
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that's exactly my beleif
Hibiki
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I loves me the big man above! I do feel mainstream christans are wrong though. As much as I think you'd be wrong to think there isn't a God (i know mine exists and that's my belief) I'm not gonna make you feel bad or pressure you to think the way i do. If you really wanted to learn you'd ask and whatever I couldn't answer, I'd direct you to someone else. I also feel no matter what you believe, you should still read books like the bible, torah, quran just to know the differences and be schooled on said religions for your betterment. I;d be a hypocrite in a sense as i've only read some of the bible and none of the others but I'll cross that bridge eventually.
SSJmole
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Iceshadow
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I'm mostly in agreement with Hibiki.
Gothamite
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I believe. I achieve.
I go to Mass every Sunday and I feel the better for it. There I things I don't like about Catholicism. There are things I don't believe in, there are many, many times when I question the Church. But I like having faith and I believe that it has had a positive effect on me. I don't try to force my belief on anyone else as long as they don't try to force theirs on me.
I go to Mass every Sunday and I feel the better for it. There I things I don't like about Catholicism. There are things I don't believe in, there are many, many times when I question the Church. But I like having faith and I believe that it has had a positive effect on me. I don't try to force my belief on anyone else as long as they don't try to force theirs on me.
Bass
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BURN THE HERETICS!
SPARE THIS HERETIC FOR ONE LUNAR CYCLE!
BURN THIS HERETIC! RHYMING HAS NO PLACE IN GOD'S PLAN!
... Wait. If that's true, why did he invent it? Hmm.
BURN THIS HERETIC! MY BRAIN HURTS BECAUSE OF HIM!
SSJmole
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I'm not a Heretic , I believe in Bass! , I even have a "W.W.B.D" bracelet
Bass
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:sure:
WWBD?
WWBD?
SSJmole
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What Would Bass Do
Bass
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Of course!
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The title should've been changed to something along the lines of "How many members here are religious" a long time ago.
Anyway, here's mine...
My beliefs came together because of my need for an answer to the question of why wouldn't God create a perfect Universe? The answer: that's exactly what he's doing.
In other words, us asking that question would be equivelent to the chaotic cake ingredients in a mixing bowl asking why the chef didn't just bake a cake instead of creating this mess.
We are somewhere in the process of creating a that perfect world we yearn for, through trial and error and a million other things, both deliberate and serendipitous on our part, with every atrocious thing happening either to show us what not to do and create a brighter and brighter future, or even for another butterfly-effect-like purpose. Everything happens for a reason - no matter how far removed through time. Someone's parent being killed in a car accident has made many people lose faith in God.... but how do they know it hasn't caused a series of a million reactions that lead to a new President being elected and preventing a nuclear war?
Know what I mean?
Everything happens like this, for this purpose, and was set in motion at the "beginning of time" by God in his benevolence. That's what I believe.
I'm also firmly against any sort of organized religion, or anything that involves one human telling another human what to believe, or how to pray, or what to pray for, or what not to do without explaination(note: I don't count "because the Bible says so" as an actual explaination, mainly because the Bible was again written by other humans, and not God).
Most religions, like UC Dreamcasts, have some good points and other bad ones, and so I think having to pick one and cut your losses is completely unecessary and even destructive. Pick and choose what makes sense to you. I guess my only real commandment would be to attempt to preserve as much life and happiness as you can(this includes the lives and happiness of non-human animals).
And that's my take on that.
Anyway, here's mine...
My beliefs came together because of my need for an answer to the question of why wouldn't God create a perfect Universe? The answer: that's exactly what he's doing.
In other words, us asking that question would be equivelent to the chaotic cake ingredients in a mixing bowl asking why the chef didn't just bake a cake instead of creating this mess.
We are somewhere in the process of creating a that perfect world we yearn for, through trial and error and a million other things, both deliberate and serendipitous on our part, with every atrocious thing happening either to show us what not to do and create a brighter and brighter future, or even for another butterfly-effect-like purpose. Everything happens for a reason - no matter how far removed through time. Someone's parent being killed in a car accident has made many people lose faith in God.... but how do they know it hasn't caused a series of a million reactions that lead to a new President being elected and preventing a nuclear war?
Know what I mean?
Everything happens like this, for this purpose, and was set in motion at the "beginning of time" by God in his benevolence. That's what I believe.
I'm also firmly against any sort of organized religion, or anything that involves one human telling another human what to believe, or how to pray, or what to pray for, or what not to do without explaination(note: I don't count "because the Bible says so" as an actual explaination, mainly because the Bible was again written by other humans, and not God).
Most religions, like UC Dreamcasts, have some good points and other bad ones, and so I think having to pick one and cut your losses is completely unecessary and even destructive. Pick and choose what makes sense to you. I guess my only real commandment would be to attempt to preserve as much life and happiness as you can(this includes the lives and happiness of non-human animals).
And that's my take on that.
SSJmole
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Agreed
ourchair
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Hardcore Christians would tell you that "Christian" and "religious" are the same thing.
Hibiki
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I would argue that the world was perfect and that adam and eve ruined it for everyone. God DID create a perfect world. Lions played in the same fields as lambs and the world was good. Something like that written in exodus. Oh and the chicken did come before the egg. It evens says so in the bible. 8) and the whole reason for organized religion was for people of the same mindset like oh i don't know, say comic book readers finding a website to talke about **** and discuss their beliefs and praise their creator almighty. I'm nowhere against organized religion as it is helpful some to clear their thoughts and feel better, having wiser ones guide them and teach them on their path to enlightenment and salvation. Nowadays, it's just a sad sight. All these crazy haried fanatics running around preaching from a book they shat all over one time too many for their own betterment of success, fame and money. That's the one reason i don't go to church and i could understand why someone would be against going. I don't blame you and in all honesty, there isn't one good reason to for you to actually go. You can do the same from your home and as long as you know you do good and follow the path, then you get rewarded in life.
Another thing is that I feel that our choices are not preordained. If that was the case then we've been living in 1984 all our lives. Our choices are our own and to believe otherwise imo is just irresponsible. If you're of clear mind and concious you are responsible for every decision you make. No one is puppeteering you to go to work or date a certain person or controlling your free will do as they please. Whatever the situation, you always have a choice.
no one truly knows if there is a heaven or not. it's your belief. it's your faith that will guide you. I choose to believe there is because that gives me something to live for everyday. A lifelong goal that I will see to fruition. YOu can call me crazy or whatever, you can insult me, hate me, hit me or kill me. I'm still gonna loves ya baby. cept mole, he's creepy. JK 8)
