I believe that was his only appearance to date.compound said:
I completely agree with you on that take, but I guess I didn't seem to find the words to articulate it that you did. The idea that Hulk is really much more of his "infant" aspect than it is his "rage" makes a lot of sense and still stays in line with some of the canonical interpretations of the 616 character.Guijllons said:We'll need to look at the personality of Banner a little. Coz I don't think he's as simple as we immediately presume. We have to do this to really understand what he will do next.
Banner states, supposedly posthumously, that the Ultimates were the best friends that he's ever had. So we can gather from that that he's low on the social skills area. But wait-a-minute, Betty Ross is a fine looking woman. And really, because we care so much about the Banner character, is this because he's a loser, or is it because he's actually quite charming? I think it's the latter, he has the charm or a spoilt child, and the tantrums to prove it. We feel pity on him, yet I feel he's perhaps a little more controlling (in that childlike way) than we have actually given him credit for.
So what will he do next? I feel that Banner has a jeffrey dahmer*type personality here. He's introspective and quiet when he's alone, but when he is on a mission, then he can be as charming as anyone. You think he got to be head of the SHIELD supersoldier program simply because he was bright? He would have maneuver himself into that position, because it was his dream. The polarity of the Banner character in himself, if far more interesting that the Banner/Hulk dynamic.
In the 616 universe, Banner cannot control the Hulk, it's his curse. I feel that in this universe, the Hulk is his way of absolving himself from responsibility of his actions, his tantrums. And through this, I feel that he will be able to control the Hulk a lot better, and induce the Hulk when needed. We know that Banner has turned into the Hulk a few times while in confinement, who are we to say that it was not just some way of seeking attention?
Solaris said:ooooh, i like how this is going.
thanks guij and ourchair for some very entertaining ideas. i can see it coming together nicely.
what of the fury/ross/the ultimates connection to this series though? personally, i'd like to see some of the historic 'glue' between banner and the ross's (father and daughter) explained in more detail. also, banner and ross, in their last intimate chat before he was convicted, had this argument: he first accused her of being the reason he has turned himself into what he has become, then tells her it's not her fault (which of course it isnt). but, he says 'somebody else would have just accepted the way i was. would have made me feel less pathetic'
i want to know more about why betty ross would have belittled banner if he was the top scientist he was. plus the general had trust in him, didn't he?
and, how betty ross, if she feels guilty about it (which i am not sure she does - she seems too much of a cold-hearted cow to me) will try to 'make amends', to make good and help banner in the future? maybe her PR campaign will be to cover up for him even within SHIELD and associated groups?
oh, this may of course be old hat to you g33ks
I really like this, excellent thought. The idea of the Hulkbusters being characters who exist with little to no connection to the U.S. government makes me picture them as being more similar to the Lone Gunmen from The X-Files.TheManWithoutFear said:Betty obtains the help of a group of nerds with an internet site and some not so heavy equipment specificly for tracking down the Hulk. These are the Ultimate Hulkbusters.
I wouldn't mind seeing the geeky version of Wesley 'Crusher' Creel that I envisioned as part of my take on Ultimate She-Hulk being part of this group.ourchair said:Basically the Hulkbusters would be functioning as a freelance think tank/consultancy group even though the characters are little more than armchair scientists possessing knowledge no more sophisticated than a well-versed sports fan's knowledge of football tactics.
The Cornish Owl Man? Just Googled for that... I figure the whole urban legend/speculation idea might be a fun way to handle Ulimate Vulture, actually.Guijllons said:Much like those crypto-zoology nuts who hang around for days trying to get a glimpse of the cornish owl man.
This is Melling's drawing of the Owl Man:This monster seems tied to the area round Mawnan church on the south Cornish coast. It is the size and shape of a man, covered in silvery-grey feathers with wings and crab-like black claws for feet, pointed ears, glowing red eyes and an owl-like face. It was first seen hovering over the church tower on 17 April 1976 by June Melling, then 12, and her sister Vicky, then nine.
Guijllons said:And probably have an internet forum full of geeks speculating over the fate of Banner and what he would do next... seems familiar.
This reminds me of the premise for a Ghostbusters/Men In Black cross-over that I dreamt up. The big idea is that some inexperienced Lovecraft wanna-be inadvertantly summons a Cthuloid-type being from another dimension. The sad bastard finds he can't control it, and ends up going nuts. When it starts wreaking havoc, the Government sends in the MIB, and private citizens call for the Ghostbusters.Guijllons said:But these guys certainly fit with that. Hell, the Ghostbusters were just researching the paranormal until a ghost came along and bit them on the metaphorical backside.