James Bond: Quantum of Solace (spoilers involved)

Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

Bass said:
There is a problem with both Moneypenny and Q.

The problem with Moneypenny is she's the secretary/assistant to M except (the current incarnation) James Bond doesn't go anywhere NEAR MI6 or any place where he'd NEED to encounter a secretary. He's completely off the radar. That said, there was a administrive assistant (Manning?) in Quantum of Solace and that could EASILY have been Moneypenny. So it's not impossible by any means.

The problem with Q is more... problematic, I suppose. Q is completely redundant now. Back when Connery and Moore were Bond, he'd be given this CRAZY gadget like a camera that's also a PHONE (I know, crazy right?!) and Q would explain how it works. The problem is that all those wacky gadgets... we actually have those bastards now. Q's redundant because - this is what the scene would be like:

Q: Ah, Bond. So glad you could make it an hour late.
Bond: Only an hour? I've beaten my own record. You should be proud.
Q: And you shouldn't take me for granted. One of these days, you'll be in need of my remote controlled appliances, and you won't have it because you couldn't be bothered to be punctual. Next time, no matter what I give you, I should stick a clock in it.
*looks at a small handheld device*
Bond: Is this for me, Q?
Q: Yes, Bond. Now be very careful. It's a prototype. It's a camera that also has a global satellite positioning coordinate in it.
Bond: ... And?
Q: You can also write and send messages to anyone meaning you don't actually have to speak to them. Should come in handy when stealth is needed!
Bond: Keep going.
Q: And, ah, it has a schedule organiser built in and oh, it can connect to our vast computer datanet at a transfer speed of 5 megabytes per second.
Bond: What else?
Q: It can contain up to 3 gigabytes of photos and music.
Bond: ...
Q: It's also a phone.
Bond: This is an iPhone. I have one.
Q: But if you turn it on it's side...
Bond: The display changes, yes, I know. I know how to use this. Everyone does. It's a mobile phone.
Q: ... It has a clock in it.

Die Another Day tried to keep Q (or rather R) relevant by making him John Cleese (awesome) and giving him LUDICROUS gadgets like a ****ing invisible car. An invisible car is far to sci-fi for Bond and also, ****ing stupid. What's a key sequence of Bond? The car chase. What's a stupid thing to do? Make the car INVISIBLE so you CAN'T SEE THE CAR CHASE. That's like setting all the action fights in a pitch-black environment.

The truth is, Bond STILL has his awesome gadgets. In Casino Royale he had the defibrillator thing in the glove box, and, as I've said he has a mobile phone. Mobile phones are INCREDIBLE TECH. Seriously. Kirk's communicator in Star Trek is obsolete by today's standards. Hell, some MILITARY GRADE communications equipment is less effective than a mobile phone (honestly - in Afghanistan British troops used their mobile phones instead of the military radio because it was more reliable). In Quantum of Solace you see surface computers and an incredible camera (it's also a phone, I bet) that can create composites of the face of person from a single action. The problem is that these things are so within our current level of technology that the audience knows how it works, Bond knows how it works, and the whole "Q explains what kick-*** gadgets Bond has" scene is now completely redundant. So Q just isn't necessary anymore, because if you DO give Bond gadgets that need explanation he goes into the realm of science-fiction and because of our current technological development, it just becomes ridiculous and especially so in the current Craig-Bond which is trying to be less and less far-fetched. Brosnan-Bond managed to keep the tradition going for Goldeneye, but it was less successful on each subsequent film he made up to Die Another Day which has James Bond driving an invisible car while fighting a man in a suit of cybernetic armour shooting a gigantic laser from a low orbit.

So Q... needs a bit of a change. Making him a techie who fixes or keeps things going is a possibility. He just needs to completely change from his previous "expository dump" tool that he was.
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I agree, Q should be just a cameo in the new Bond Films, not even more than a line or two. Just enough to reference the past
 
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

Bass said:
There is a problem with both Moneypenny and Q.

The problem with Moneypenny is she's the secretary/assistant to M except (the current incarnation) James Bond doesn't go anywhere NEAR MI6 or any place where he'd NEED to encounter a secretary. He's completely off the radar. That said, there was a administrive assistant (Manning?) in Quantum of Solace and that could EASILY have been Moneypenny. So it's not impossible by any means.

The problem with Q is more... problematic, I suppose. Q is completely redundant now. Back when Connery and Moore were Bond, he'd be given this CRAZY gadget like a camera that's also a PHONE (I know, crazy right?!) and Q would explain how it works. The problem is that all those wacky gadgets... we actually have those bastards now. Q's redundant because - this is what the scene would be like:

Q: Ah, Bond. So glad you could make it an hour late.
Bond: Only an hour? I've beaten my own record. You should be proud.
Q: And you shouldn't take me for granted. One of these days, you'll be in need of my remote controlled appliances, and you won't have it because you couldn't be bothered to be punctual. Next time, no matter what I give you, I should stick a clock in it.
*looks at a small handheld device*
Bond: Is this for me, Q?
Q: Yes, Bond. Now be very careful. It's a prototype. It's a camera that also has a global satellite positioning coordinate in it.
Bond: ... And?
Q: You can also write and send messages to anyone meaning you don't actually have to speak to them. Should come in handy when stealth is needed!
Bond: Keep going.
Q: And, ah, it has a schedule organiser built in and oh, it can connect to our vast computer datanet at a transfer speed of 5 megabytes per second.
Bond: What else?
Q: It can contain up to 3 gigabytes of photos and music.
Bond: ...
Q: It's also a phone.
Bond: This is an iPhone. I have one.
Q: But if you turn it on it's side...
Bond: The display changes, yes, I know. I know how to use this. Everyone does. It's a mobile phone.
Q: ... It has a clock in it.

Die Another Day tried to keep Q (or rather R) relevant by making him John Cleese (awesome) and giving him LUDICROUS gadgets like a ****ing invisible car. An invisible car is far to sci-fi for Bond and also, ****ing stupid. What's a key sequence of Bond? The car chase. What's a stupid thing to do? Make the car INVISIBLE so you CAN'T SEE THE CAR CHASE. That's like setting all the action fights in a pitch-black environment.

The truth is, Bond STILL has his awesome gadgets. In Casino Royale he had the defibrillator thing in the glove box, and, as I've said he has a mobile phone. Mobile phones are INCREDIBLE TECH. Seriously. Kirk's communicator in Star Trek is obsolete by today's standards. Hell, some MILITARY GRADE communications equipment is less effective than a mobile phone (honestly - in Afghanistan British troops used their mobile phones instead of the military radio because it was more reliable). In Quantum of Solace you see surface computers and an incredible camera (it's also a phone, I bet) that can create composites of the face of person from a single action. The problem is that these things are so within our current level of technology that the audience knows how it works, Bond knows how it works, and the whole "Q explains what kick-*** gadgets Bond has" scene is now completely redundant. So Q just isn't necessary anymore, because if you DO give Bond gadgets that need explanation he goes into the realm of science-fiction and because of our current technological development, it just becomes ridiculous and especially so in the current Craig-Bond which is trying to be less and less far-fetched. Brosnan-Bond managed to keep the tradition going for Goldeneye, but it was less successful on each subsequent film he made up to Die Another Day which has James Bond driving an invisible car while fighting a man in a suit of cybernetic armour shooting a gigantic laser from a low orbit.

So Q... needs a bit of a change. Making him a techie who fixes or keeps things going is a possibility. He just needs to completely change from his previous "expository dump" tool that he was.
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This is all very true. And highly hilarious. :lol:
 
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

Bass said:
There is a problem with both Moneypenny and Q.

The problem with Moneypenny is she's the secretary/assistant to M except (the current incarnation) James Bond doesn't go anywhere NEAR MI6 or any place where he'd NEED to encounter a secretary. He's completely off the radar. That said, there was a administrive assistant (Manning?) in Quantum of Solace and that could EASILY have been Moneypenny. So it's not impossible by any means.

The problem with Q is more... problematic, I suppose. Q is completely redundant now. Back when Connery and Moore were Bond, he'd be given this CRAZY gadget like a camera that's also a PHONE (I know, crazy right?!) and Q would explain how it works. The problem is that all those wacky gadgets... we actually have those bastards now. Q's redundant because - this is what the scene would be like:

Q: Ah, Bond. So glad you could make it an hour late.
Bond: Only an hour? I've beaten my own record. You should be proud.
Q: And you shouldn't take me for granted. One of these days, you'll be in need of my remote controlled appliances, and you won't have it because you couldn't be bothered to be punctual. Next time, no matter what I give you, I should stick a clock in it.
*looks at a small handheld device*
Bond: Is this for me, Q?
Q: Yes, Bond. Now be very careful. It's a prototype. It's a camera that also has a global satellite positioning coordinate in it.
Bond: ... And?
Q: You can also write and send messages to anyone meaning you don't actually have to speak to them. Should come in handy when stealth is needed!
Bond: Keep going.
Q: And, ah, it has a schedule organiser built in and oh, it can connect to our vast computer datanet at a transfer speed of 5 megabytes per second.
Bond: What else?
Q: It can contain up to 3 gigabytes of photos and music.
Bond: ...
Q: It's also a phone.
Bond: This is an iPhone. I have one.
Q: But if you turn it on it's side...
Bond: The display changes, yes, I know. I know how to use this. Everyone does. It's a mobile phone.
Q: ... It has a clock in it.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
That's like setting all the action fights in a pitch-black environment.
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Vin Diesel would like a word with you.
The truth is, Bond STILL has his awesome gadgets. In Casino Royale he had the defibrillator thing in the glove box, and, as I've said he has a mobile phone. Mobile phones are INCREDIBLE TECH. Seriously. Kirk's communicator in Star Trek is obsolete by today's standards. Hell, some MILITARY GRADE communications equipment is less effective than a mobile phone (honestly - in Afghanistan British troops used their mobile phones instead of the military radio because it was more reliable). In Quantum of Solace you see surface computers and an incredible camera (it's also a phone, I bet) that can create composites of the face of person from a single action. The problem is that these things are so within our current level of technology that the audience knows how it works, Bond knows how it works, and the whole "Q explains what kick-*** gadgets Bond has" scene is now completely redundant. So Q just isn't necessary anymore, because if you DO give Bond gadgets that need explanation he goes into the realm of science-fiction and because of our current technological development, it just becomes ridiculous and especially so in the current Craig-Bond which is trying to be less and less far-fetched. Brosnan-Bond managed to keep the tradition going for Goldeneye, but it was less successful on each subsequent film he made up to Die Another Day which has James Bond driving an invisible car while fighting a man in a suit of cybernetic armour shooting a gigantic laser from a low orbit.
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I like this idea.

Go all Ellis on it and just create cool technology that actually has its roots in current technology and is probably already really being developed by the government.
 
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

This movie will be good. Bond is great. Go Bond. 007 the way to go.
 
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

Dr.Strangefate said:
Honestly, Masuka from Dexter would be an awesome Q.
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I think it'd be awesome if Kaylee from Firefly was Q.

NO ONE WOULD EXPECT THAT ****.

A cute woman in overalls messing around with Bond's car. And by car, I mean spaceship. And by Bond I mean Malcolm Reynolds.

I want Firefly.

moonmaster said:
Vin Diesel would like a word with you.
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I knew someone would bring that up! :lol:


moonmaster said:
I like this idea.

Go all Ellis on it and just create cool technology that actually has its roots in current technology and is probably already really being developed by the government.
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This is not my idea. My idea is that Bond's gadgets should remain where they are. Anything more than that and it gets stupid. I think in 20 years, Bond might have to be set in the past so it's still awesome.

And I think Q should be the guy who fixes Bond's stuff. He should be a mechanic, not an inventor.
 
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

Dr.Strangefate said:
Honestly, Masuka from Dexter would be an awesome Q.
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I was thinking that Q should be played by Simon Pegg (though I think Pegg already played a similar role in Mission Impossible III), and he should have just a quick cameo - like, combine the Goldfinger cameo (the guy who mistakenly believes Bond to be a valet and gets his Range Rover wrecked for comic relief was supposed to be a nod to Goldfinger) and the "moneypenny" line from Casino Royale, and that's how big the Q cameo would be. It would just be for comic relief.

Bass said:
Q: Ah, Bond. So glad you could make it an hour late.
Bond: Only an hour? I've beaten my own record. You should be proud.
Q: And you shouldn't take me for granted. One of these days, you'll be in need of my remote controlled appliances, and you won't have it because you couldn't be bothered to be punctual. Next time, no matter what I give you, I should stick a clock in it.
*looks at a small handheld device*
Bond: Is this for me, Q?
Q: Yes, Bond. Now be very careful. It's a prototype. It's a camera that also has a global satellite positioning coordinate in it.
Bond: ... And?
Q: You can also write and send messages to anyone meaning you don't actually have to speak to them. Should come in handy when stealth is needed!
Bond: Keep going.
Q: And, ah, it has a schedule organiser built in and oh, it can connect to our vast computer datanet at a transfer speed of 5 megabytes per second.
Bond: What else?
Q: It can contain up to 3 gigabytes of photos and music.
Bond: ...
Q: It's also a phone.
Bond: This is an iPhone. I have one.
Q: But if you turn it on it's side...
Bond: The display changes, yes, I know. I know how to use this. Everyone does. It's a mobile phone.
Q: ... It has a clock in it.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

My friends and I went to see it last night. My second time and their first. I had basically the same experience the second time around. A fun, satisfying Bond film with which I was pleasantly surprised because I always thought it would suck, anyway.

My friends all thought it was AWESOME. I thought that was kind of weird, really. Every person I've heard from has either been mildly or massively disappointed and even leaving the theater on both occasions, you could hear people say "That wasn't that good at all!" or "The last one was so much better!".

I mean for crying out loud, my friends even liked the song. :? To each his own, I guess.
 
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OK, I'll say it. Never again. Don't ever let this happen again to James Bond. "Quantum of Solace" is his 22nd film and he will survive it, but for the 23rd it is necessary to go back to the drawing board and redesign from the ground up.
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That's what Roger Ebert has to say about the new Bond film. He also has to say that Judi Dench is a "fox." This is his full review:

Quantum of Solace: 2 Damn Stars, I'm Getting Too Old For This ****; Roger Ebert

Haven't seen the new movie yet; I know some of you saw it a while ago.
 
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I liked it. Not nearly as good as Casino Royale, but it was still a good movie. Would probably see it again...

Sometime.
 
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Okay, I officially don't understand why everyone is hating on this movie. It was extremely fun, extremely well made, was well plotted, and introduced Quantum (which, even though it isn't SPECTRE, it totally is actually SPECTRE and is just as cool as it). And Bond ****ing kicked some *** making himself their number one enemy. The scene at the opera was mindshatteringly cool, especially when Bond chimed in to comment.

And Craig has -some- of the charm... I'd like to see him use more of it, preferably in a scene with Felix Leiter... I was almost surprised they had the Americans as bad guys in a way, but they managed to wrap up the movie with Leiter in a higher position. Wright and Craig have great chemistry.

This series absolutely needs to continue... If the Craig-Bonds are the only Bond films with a coherent narrative driving from one movie to the next that we get (i highly suspect that when he lays down his laurels, we'll move back to the typical one-shot flicks), I definitely want two or three more... We're two movies in and we haven't even breached the infrastructure of this organization.

The information Dominic Greene gave Bond should begin to penetrate that hierarchy. And bring us face to face with our new Pseudo-Blofeld...

I want more Bond.

And despite my lukewarm reaction to the title music when it was posted a while back, the title credits were pretty ****ing amazing.
 
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I agree with what the doctor said. I really really liked this movie (even more than Casino Royal!)
 
Re: James Bond: Quantum of Solace

Dr.Strangefate said:
Okay, I officially don't understand why everyone is hating on this movie. It was extremely fun, extremely well made, was well plotted, and introduced Quantum (which, even though it isn't SPECTRE, it totally is actually SPECTRE and is just as cool as it).
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Hmm .... Well, even though I haven't seen it, I've heard that they've dropped a lot of the conventional Bond motifs, like the quips, the mojo, the cocktail preference, the hi-tech gadgets, the deformed villain, etc. .... things that make Bond iconic. I can imagine why people would be upset if all of those things were stripped from 007 ....
 
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They didn't drop the cocktail presence, they just went back to his weird cocktail preference from the books... There are PLENTY of Hi-Tech gadgets, the thing is that they are things that have the potential to exist, rather than pure science-fiction, and since when have all bond villains been deformed? Greene is really ****ing slimy and creepy though, so I'd say he counts.

As for the charm? I think its coming. He shows it in places, but these movies are about Bond becoming Bond, right now he is too obsessed with Vesper to get too charmy with other women... And He totally nails someone within 20 minutes of meeting her in this movie, so you can't say he doesn't have a mojo.

Also there are chase sequences on Boats, in Cars, on Motorcycles, and on Planes. How is this not a James Bond movie?
 
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Langsta said:
Hmm .... Well, even though I haven't seen it, I've heard that they've dropped a lot of the conventional Bond motifs, like the quips, the mojo, the cocktail preference, the hi-tech gadgets, the deformed villain, etc. .... things that make Bond iconic. I can imagine why people would be upset if all of those things were stripped from 007 ....
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Sometimes you need to tear things away before you can build them back up
 
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going in I braced myself for this movie to suck (after reading some of the review). to my surprise i actually liked it alot. I'm trying to decide if I liked it better than Casino Royale. The part in the opera was incredible, and Quantum is shaping up to be a great "New World Order" type organization for Bond to fight. I think it could have been a bit longer though to flush out some of the story. Very good movie in my opinion though.
 
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I enjoyed this a lot. DSF made lots of great points. I think everything he said was right on point. I thought this movie was better than Royale (I did enjoy that, though -- don't get me wrong).

The movie was more fun, liked that it had more action and all. Poor Fields, though. OUCH.
 
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