Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[DIrishB]

Can anyone who's seen Thor 3 tell us how the film lines up with GOTG Vol 2 and Doctor Strange?

Having not seen Ragnarok yet I can't say for sure, but from what my buddy in UK (who has seen it) tells me, one of the post credit scenes involves

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Thor, Loki, and the other surviving Asgardians' spaces ship coming across a much larger ship believed to be Thanos'. Its presumed after that scene there is a battle and the Asgardian space ship is destroyed by Thanos', stranding Thor in space, which sets up the Guardians running into Thor--literally--as shown in the Infinity War trailer.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

OK so we know the film takes place after the entirety of Doctor Strange. Now I just wonder if it takes place before or after the Teen Groot GOTG Vol 2 post-credits scene.

 

[RocketRacoon]

Personally, I think the Teenage Groot post-credit scene takes place before the entirety of Ragnarok because I think

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the post-credits scene of Ragnarok leads directly into Infinity War and it sets up the events of Thor meeting the Guardians.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Reason I'm asking is because in my simplified viewing order, I need to know whether to place GOTG Vol 2 before or after Ragnarok since I place a film where it ends.

 

[marioxb]

I would leave Guardians and 1 and 2 together.

 

[DIrishB]

OK so we know the film takes place after the entirety of Doctor Strange. Now I just wonder if it takes place before or after the Teen Groot GOTG Vol 2 post-credits scene.

Personally, I think the Teenage Groot post-credit scene takes place before the entirety of Ragnarok because I think

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the post-credits scene of Ragnarok leads directly into Infinity War and it sets up the events of Thor meeting the Guardians.

According to James Gunn, the Teen Groot scene occurs around the same time as Infinity War (sometime just before I imagine), around four years after events of GotG Vol 2 in 2014 (so sometime in 2018 ).

In one of the five post-credits scenes for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, fans were treated to a first look at a teenage version of Groot, suggesting some time had elapsed since the events of the film. Now director James Gunn has confirmed that not only was there a somewhat-significant time jump, but that the scene actually takes place in close proximity to 2018's Avengers: Infinity War.

While interviewing the filmmaker, CinemaBlend noted the Groot seen in the Infinity War footage screened at the D23 Expo and Comic-Con International bore a striking resemblance to the adolescent version from the Guardians 2 post-credits scene. "He's exactly the same," Gunn replied. "That's exactly the Groot we designed for Infinity War."

The website sought clarification about whether he meant the post-credits scene takes place four years after his film's 2014 setting. Gunn replied, "Well, basically those are at the same time."

Reason I'm asking is because in my simplified viewing order, I need to know whether to place GOTG Vol 2 before or after Ragnarok since I place a film where it ends.

I would leave Guardians and 1 and 2 together.

I agree with mario, wouldn't make much sense to place the entirety of GotG Vol 2 later on based on only that single post credit scene, as every other aspect of the film happens in 2014.

 

[Craig]

Just got caught up on Inhumans, there was a vague reference to the Sokovia Accords. Still looking good as post AOS season 4.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

According to James Gunn, the Teen Groot scene occurs around the same time as Infinity War (sometime just before I imagine), around four years after events of GotG Vol 2 in 2014 (so sometime in 2018).







I agree with mario, wouldn't make much sense to place the entirety of GotG Vol 2 later on based on only that single post credit scene, as every other aspect of the film happens in 2014.

I understand the logic behind that thought, but I try to be objective and consistent with my rule about placing a film with the most current event it ends on.

Question: Is the Doctor Strange post-credit's scene involving Thor ripped from Ragnarok, or is it different?

 

[DIrishB]

I understand the logic behind that thought, but I try to be objective and consistent with my rule about placing a film with the most current event it ends on.

Question: Is the Doctor Strange post-credit's scene involving Thor ripped from Ragnarok, or is it different?

I get that, but it doesn't seem objective to place the entire film in 2018 when 99% of it takes place in 2014. To each their own, just doesn't make sense to me.

As for Thor - Ragnarok's Doc Strange scenes, I haven't seen film yet but I'm 99% sure the Thor/Strange meet up in that DS post credit scene is covered in Ragnarok. That too results on out of sequence placement following your approach. Again, to each their own, but chronologically speaking your approach ends up putting a lot of stuff out of order.

 

[vintsukka]

Question: Is the Doctor Strange post-credit's scene involving Thor ripped from Ragnarok, or is it different?

It's lifted straight out of Ragnarok.

 

[marioxb]

Yup. One thing that's different from the trailers, is they show the woman (no spoilers) smashing the hammer in a city. In the actual movie, it happens in a field.

 

[DIrishB]

Disney in talks to possibly purchase portions of Fox holdings, including X-Men and Fantastic Four properties...

Nothing finalized yet, and may not happen, but apparently Fox is focused on downsizing their entertainment divisions (film and telelvision) to focus more on news and sports, so it's possible Marvel may eventually have all their holdings back home (in one way or another, like with the Spider-Man deal with Sony or character sharing deal like with Hulk/Universal and Fox/Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver).

 

[Captain Canuck]

Disney in talks to possibly purchase portions of Fox holdings, including X-Men and Fantastic Four properties...

Nothing finalized yet, and may not happen, but apparently Fox is focused on downsizing their entertainment divisions (film and telelvision) to focus more on news and sports, so it's possible Marvel may eventually have all their holdings back home (in one way or another, like with the Spider-Man deal with Sony or character sharing deal like with Hulk/Universal and Fox/Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver).

 

[Captain Canuck]

The talks have stalled. People are thinking there is worry of anti-trust laws messing things up. But this definitely has been the first glimmer of hope we've ever seen in this. It may mean that even if the deal doesn't go through, someone else might buy Fox's IP and they will be willing to make a deal with Disney. Or any number of other possibilities.

 

[Craig]

Personally, I think the Teenage Groot post-credit scene takes place before the entirety of Ragnarok because I think

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the post-credits scene of Ragnarok leads directly into Infinity War and it sets up the events of Thor meeting the Guardians.

I agree.

Although, now it's looking like Infinity War will at least start in 2017. The post credit scene (which leads into IW, as per the leaked trailer) couldn't be long after the end of the movie. At least that's the vibe I got, but we could add some padding in there if it turns out IW need to be 2018.

 

[DIrishB]

I agree.

Although, now it's looking like Infinity War will at least start in 2017. The post credit scene (which leads into IW, as per the leaked trailer) couldn't be long after the end of the movie. At least that's the vibe I got, but we could add some padding in there if it turns out IW need to be 2018.

That's true, though that may create some continuity problems, as Ragnarok firmly placed itself 2 years after Age of Ultron. That is, if Infinity War makes any references to specific spans of time since previous films. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Craig]

That's true, though that may create some continuity problems, as Ragnarok firmly placed itself 2 years after Age of Ultron. That is, if Infinity War makes any references to specific spans of time since previous films. We'll just have to wait and see.

Yup, I didn't catch any reference to dates while the Odinson boys were on Earth but when Thor says "2 years", he probably means 2 and change since AoU was April/May and I think Ragnarok works best as late 2017. So as to be as far from Doctor Strange as possible to allow him to master his abilities and to be as close to 2018 as possible for IW's sake.

I just now realized though... doesn't time pass really fast in Sakaar? Loki was there for weeks before Thor got there, and their departure of the bifrost was mere seconds. So Banner has probably been Hulk for way longer than 2 years.

 

[marioxb]

Just a warning that this may contain spoilers. I don't know how to do that spoiler text deal with my phone. My guess is the mid credit scene doesn't happen immediately before Infinity War. They might want us to think it does, but it doesn't add up. Sure, Thor lands on the Guardians ship, but where is everyone else? And no way did they all die. No way. We already know 100% that Hulk and Loki are in Infinity War. And I'm betting the rock dude and Hemdall are as well. My guess is that they escape that encounter with Thanos, if that even is Thanos, and all of the Asgardians make it safely to Norway.

At some point Thor is back in space, which causes him to land on the Guardians ship pressed on the windshield, which of course looks conveniently like when he was in the Valkyrie's ship.

 

[vintsukka]

^

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I agree the Asgardians must survive. Thanos just killing them all would negate Ragnarok's ending.

The hosts of the Empire podcast posited the theory that Thor and Loki would make a deal with Thanos: their lives and the Tesseract (which Loki totally stole from the vault in Ragnarok and was seen handing to Thanos in the IW footage) for the lives of the other Asgardians. That would be Loki's final redemption into a heroic character (sacrificing himself for his people) and a potential way to kill him off. Thor would then somehow survive and end up floating in space. Makes sense to me on a number of levels.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

I still want to know when the GOTG Vol. 2 post-credits scene takes place in relation to Ragnarok's and the beginning of IW.

 

[DIrishB]

I still want to know when the GOTG Vol. 2 post-credits scene takes place in relation to Ragnarok's and the beginning of IW.

Presumably right before the Thor - Ragnarok post credits scene.

GotG Vol 2 occurs in 2014 (except for that one teen Groot scene). The teen Groot scene picks up several years after main portion of GotG Vol 2, likely right before events of Infinity War/Ragnarok. Ragnarok occurs in 2017 or 2018 (depending on when IW is set), with events of that film occurring, then the Ragnarok credit scene where they encounter Thanos' ship, then presumably the Guardians running into Thor in space from IW.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Presumably right before the Thor - Ragnarok post credits scene.

GotG Vol 2 occurs in 2014 (except for that one teen Groot scene). The teen Groot scene picks up several years after main portion of GotG Vol 2, likely right before events of Infinity War/Ragnarok. Ragnarok occurs in 2017 or 2018 (depending on when IW is set), with events of that film occurring, then the Ragnarok credit scene where they encounter Thanos' ship, then presumably the Guardians running into Thor in space from IW.

Thanks for the help man!

 

[Lebnyx]

I've got another suggestion based on the time zones:



According to the map from Civil War, Wakanda is between Uganda, Kenya, South Sudan and Ethiopia.

This means it is around 11 hours ahead of California.



As shown in Black Panther Prelude 1, the "I am Iron Man" press conference took place a few hours before the beginning of the comic. Said press conference took place in broad daylight (in California local time).

Due to the time difference between California and Wakanda, plus the few hours since the press conference, there's a gap of at least 13 hours (based on the local time of both), meaning Black Panther Prelude 1 likely starts the following morning.

When T'Challa in in Congo, the sky appears an orange tint (meaning it could be early morning), while when he arrives at Wakanda, the sky is blue (meaning daytime), which I believe backs me up.



So I'm thinking:

2008:

May 25:
-Daytime (California): "I am Iron Man"

May 26:
-Early morning (Congo): Events in Congo.
-Morning (Wakanda): T'Challa returns to Wakanda.

Does this make sense?

 

[DIrishB]

I've got another suggestion based on the time zones:



According to the map from Civil War, Wakanda is between Uganda, Kenya, South Sudan and Ethiopia.

This means it is around 11 hours ahead of California.



As shown in Black Panther Prelude 1, the "I am Iron Man" press conference took place a few hours before the beginning of the comic. Said press conference took place in broad daylight (in California local time).

Due to the time difference between California and Wakanda, plus the few hours since the press conference, there's a gap of at least 13 hours (based on the local time of both), meaning Black Panther Prelude 1 likely starts the following morning.

When T'Challa in in Congo, the sky appears an orange tint (meaning it could be early morning), while when he arrives at Wakanda, the sky is blue (meaning daytime), which I believe backs me up.



So I'm thinking:

2008:

May 25:
-Daytime (California): "I am Iron Man"

May 26:
-Early morning (Congo): Events in Congo.
-Morning (Wakanda): T'Challa returns to Wakanda.

Does this make sense?

Perfectly. I'll re-read the comic and make necessary adjustments for correct page numbers to correlate with separate dates. Nice catch!

 

[DIrishB]

I've got another suggestion based on the time zones:



According to the map from Civil War, Wakanda is between Uganda, Kenya, South Sudan and Ethiopia.

This means it is around 11 hours ahead of California.



As shown in Black Panther Prelude 1, the "I am Iron Man" press conference took place a few hours before the beginning of the comic. Said press conference took place in broad daylight (in California local time).

Due to the time difference between California and Wakanda, plus the few hours since the press conference, there's a gap of at least 13 hours (based on the local time of both), meaning Black Panther Prelude 1 likely starts the following morning.

When T'Challa in in Congo, the sky appears an orange tint (meaning it could be early morning), while when he arrives at Wakanda, the sky is blue (meaning daytime), which I believe backs me up.



So I'm thinking:

2008:

May 25:
-Daytime (California): "I am Iron Man"

May 26:
-Early morning (Congo): Events in Congo.
-Morning (Wakanda): T'Challa returns to Wakanda.

Does this make sense?

Ok, updated for second issue and to adjust for these suggestions, as so:

May 26
Black Panther - Prelude #1, "The Panther and the People, Part 1" (pg. 1-13)
Iron Man 2 - Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #1: "Who Made Who"
Iron Man Chapter 15: "Underpowered" (2:05:03 - 2:05:38 )
Iron Man - I Am Iron Man! #2 (pg. 30-32)

May 27
Black Panther - Prelude #1, "The Panther and the People, Part 1" (pg. 14-20)
Black Panther - Prelude #2, "The Panther and the People, Part 2"

On page 13 of issue #1, Black Panther and Okoye leave Wakanda to head to Paraguay, and its noticeably darkening with sun setting, indicating evening in Wakanda, so it'd be early morning in California of May 26 for first 13 pages. They arrive in Paraguay "a few hours later" (obviously Wakandan tech is capable of much faster air speed than commercial jets), with it already dark. Accounting for time change, that'd put it likely just before the sun rises, say 5-6am local time. The second issue continues on immediately after the first, and shows the sun has risen in that short period of time (while Panther and Okoye free the hostages and pursue the culprits outside).

That said, now I'm unsure if it should all remain on May 26 to account for time change, since there has to be a sort of anchor point for the timeline in terms of time zone changes or else it may not make sense.

 

[Lebnyx]

Ok, updated for second issue and to adjust for these suggestions, as so:

May 26
Black Panther - Prelude #1, "The Panther and the People, Part 1" (pg. 1-13)
Iron Man 2 - Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. #1: "Who Made Who"
Iron Man Chapter 15: "Underpowered" (2:05:03 - 2:05:38 )
Iron Man - I Am Iron Man! #2 (pg. 30-32)

May 27
Black Panther - Prelude #1, "The Panther and the People, Part 1" (pg. 14-20)
Black Panther - Prelude #2, "The Panther and the People, Part 2"

On page 13 of issue #1, Black Panther and Okoye leave Wakanda to head to Paraguay, and its noticeably darkening with sun setting, indicating evening in Wakanda, so it'd be early morning in California of May 26 for first 13 pages. They arrive in Paraguay "a few hours later" (obviously Wakandan tech is capable of much faster air speed than commercial jets), with it already dark. Accounting for time change, that'd put it likely just before the sun rises, say 5-6am local time. The second issue continues on immediately after the first, and shows the sun has risen in that short period of time (while Panther and Okoye free the hostages and pursue the culprits outside).

That said, now I'm unsure if it should all remain on May 26 to account for time change, since there has to be a sort of anchor point for the timeline in terms of time zone changes or else it may not make sense.

Your placements make sense to me.

If you make any anchor points for time zone changes in the timeline as a whole, I would recommend doing so based on where the majority of any given movie/TV episode/tie-in comic takes place.

So for example, if a movie mainly takes place in the United States but has a few scenes set in Asia, where it would be the next day based on the time zones, I would recommend sticking with the time zones for the US so it makes sense chronologically.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

If I had to guess where Punisher fits, I'd say right after Defenders in 2016. Tonight I'll be watching the first ep and will let you guys know of anything I notice.

 

[Craig]

In the middle of episode 1. I think it's before Defenders. Maybe like summer 2016.

Punisher goes on a little adventure after DD season 2, coulda taken anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. Once he's done with that it's "six months later".

 

[DIrishB]

In the middle of episode 1. I think it's before Defenders. Maybe like summer 2016.

Punisher goes on a little adventure after DD season 2, coulda taken anywhere from a few weeks to a few months. Once he's done with that it's "six months later".

Yeah, I'm guessing summer or early Fall, as it seems still warm outside and trees are all green and full in first episode. That'd mean Frank spent anywhere from one to three months (thereabouts) hunting down the criminals connected to the murder of his family. Presumably, anyway.

 

[DIrishB]

In Punisher 1x03 "Kandahar", in the flashback to Micro faking his death a year before, his son mentions a haunted house and Micro walks through a Halloween/fall festival that they're going to, implying it occurs in October sometime before Halloween. That would align with Daredevil Season 2 ending in December, 2015, with Frank spending around 3-4 months (January to March/April) hunting down those connected to death of his family (shown in opening of the first episode), with the majority of show picking up six months later, in October, 2016 (presumably a month before events of Defenders, though if there is a mention in the show later on relating to events of that show already having occurred, its possible to move Punisher up a bit to occur just after Defenders, in mid or late November, if necessary).