Master of TOG-fu.
Which did you think was better?
Exactly. I hadn't thought about it that way before, but you're right. The villains, for the most part, were unremarkable.New X-Men.
Breakworld was boring and took up far too much time, Danger was meh. The character moments were great....but Astonishing just can't win against New X-Men.
THe danger concept was good at first, because she was so devastating to the team. Then we find out she can't kill, so you already know that no matter what she does, she won't attempt to kill the X-Men. If she does, it would only be through some other villain she's teamed up with.Exactly. I hadn't thought about it that way before, but you're right. The villains, for the most part, were unremarkable.
And that's the way I typically feel about the X-Men. The characters have had so much time to grow and develop that the core cast of mutants has reached an exceptional level of depth. But the villains always seem to fall short, always feel a little silly, a little shallow. I think it's endemic of the X-Men in general, and not just Whedon's run.
As for the idea of the Danger Room gaining consciousness, I actually think it's a wicked idea. But Whedon's execution of the concept just made me grimace.
I...I agree with you!! :shock:Terrific poll, Tog.
I gotta say - ASTONISHING X-MEN is the trump here. Firstly, it doesn't suffer from the continually changing artists that Morrison's NEW X-MEN run did.
NEW X-MEN may be more innovative/revolutionary, but ASTONISHING X-MEN is far more iconic and entertaining.
Plus... it was pretty innovative. #1 came up with, hands down, the best concept for the X-MEN since their exception - a "cure" for the mutant genome. It's a perfect idea for them and no one had ever gone there. It was such a good idea that it was immediately used for X3.
ASTONISHING X-MEN trumps this for me, no question. If I had to sit down and re-read one of those runs right now, it would be the Whedon/Cassaday.
That said, these two runs are pretty much the best X-runs ever, as others have said, and a testament to the stupidity of retconning Morrison's run.
I have your back on this 110%.Now, I disagree that the x-books are bad as a whole, but I admit, I wear my mutant colored glasses. The recent Brubaker and Carey runs were great IMHO.
Wait....Xorn being revealed as Magneto was the WORST thing about it. It never made sense and Marvel was right to retcon the killer drug addict dead Magneto.
No, I didn't say it was less believable than what we ended up with, but it was unbelievable and was revealed without any possibility of anyone guessing Xorn could be Magneto, which makes it a bad reveal.Wait....
The master of magnetism using his head to infiltrate his former best friend's school, to manipulate everyone into the race war he's been calling for for the last 30 years is less believable than...
Introducing a whole new "real Xorn" and having the old Xorn being his like powered zombie brother, hopped up on drugs pretending to be Magneto who is pretending to be Xorn?