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So, kinda skimming it again so correct me if I'm wrong, the reason she forgets everything from her previous 10 lives heading into her last one and the reason she somehow isn't killed by a sentinel like in her first life is phoenix shenanigans? Claremont plot contrivances still paying off decades later
 
It's because the Phoenix Force burns away her power I believe. Also, the Phoenix gave her an extra boost to do a cosmic reset one more time, since she was on her final life.
 
Spider-Man Unlimited does not fit into this timeline because of the very different history for the symbiote backstories. Some details are similar (Jameson's shuttle crashing on bridge), but not the same (S.H.I.E.L.D. capturing Brock, no Dormammu). It was also confirmed separate by the showrunner of Spider-Man (1994). Though, there are some suggestions that it is linked.

https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/spider-man-and-spider-man-unlimited-linked.3405201/"[Spider-Man] Unlimited" fits into continuity during the time Mary Jane and Peter were engaged [in Spider-Man, the Animated Series]. (Wizard #97, page 78)
So, uh... when Mary Jane was a water clone? Wtf?


https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-7831This is a variant Earth of Spider-Man Unlimited. Weirdly, they thought of it as a continuation of Spider-Man (1994) as well, where that show happens, then Spider-Man Unlimited, and then Peter gets slaughtered for a time.

https://www.cbr.com/nycc-marvels-spider-man-the-clone-conspiracy-panel-with-slott-and-more/Another fan question asked why the 1990s cartoon Spider-Man wasn't in "Spider-Verse." Lowe said they decided the "Spider-Man Unlimited" Spider-Man was the same character.

How many tangential worlds are there to the 1990s animated cartoons?
 
Timeline 1 - Iron Man, Fantastic Four, The Incredible Hulk (Earth-534834)
Timeline 2 - Silver Surfer (Earth-634962)
Timeline 3 - Spider-Man Unlimited (Earth-751263)
Timeline 4 - Spider-Man Unlimited Vol. 2 (Earth-??????)
Timeline 5 - X-Men '92 Vol. 2 (Earth-15730)
Timeline 6 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3 #7 (Earth-7831)
Timeline 7 - The Avengers: United They Stand (Earth-730784)
Timeline 8 - The Avengers: United They Stand Vol. 1 (Earth-730834)
Timeline 9 - ???? (Earth-??????)
Timeline 10 - X-Men '92: House of XCII Vol. 1 (Earth-??????)
Timeline 11 - X-Men, Spider-Man, X-Men '97 (Earth-92131)

There, lol.
 
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Silver Surfer has basically nothing to do with it, but screw it. The Avengers: United They Stand was gonna have the 1990s X-Men in it at one point, and there might have been a reference to Force Works from Iron Man but I don't remember and I'm probably making that up.
 
not really an add on to this, just thought of it on my rewatch ahead of the new stuff and realised in TAS DoFP future wolverine recognises Bishop making me think in that og timeline Bishop makes it back but doesnt manage to stop the assassination because the x-men dont believe him, but in the main altered timeline nimrod comes back and gives them something to make them believe his story. like i said, not really an add on here, just thought it was interesting
 
Pro Bot said:
Timeline 1 - Iron Man, Fantastic Four, The Incredible Hulk (Earth-534834)
Timeline 2 - Silver Surfer (Earth-634962)
Timeline 3 - Spider-Man Unlimited (Earth-751263)
Timeline 4 - Spider-Man Unlimited Vol. 2 (Earth-??????)
Timeline 5 - X-Men '92 Vol. 2 (Earth-15730)
Timeline 6 - Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 3 #7 (Earth-7831)
Timeline 7 - The Avengers: United They Stand (Earth-730784)
Timeline 8 - Avengers United They Stand Vol. 1 (Earth-730834)
Timeline 9 - ???? (Earth-??????)
Timeline 10 - X-Men '92: House of XCII Vol. 1 (Earth-??????)
Timeline 11 - X-Men, Spider-Man, X-Men '97 (Earth-92131)

There, lol.
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You forgot Earth-20824, the Earth of the 2000 Spider-Man game for the PlayStation, its 2001 sequel (Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro) and... Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 (?)
 
Jozaca said:
You forgot Earth-20824, the Earth of the 2000 Spider-Man game for the PlayStation, its 2001 sequel (Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro) and... Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 (?)
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Does that have any tangential connections to Spider-Man (1994)? Because it could be like Arkham Asylum and the DCAU for all I know.
 
Pro Bot said:
Does that have any tangential connections to Spider-Man (1994)? Because it could be like Arkham Asylum and the DCAU for all I know.
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Nop, only the character designs are the same (but in low-poly early 2000s form, of course)
 
That game actually got a Game Boy Color version that probably is very different to the main version, but still. It spawned 2 sequels for the Game Boy Color:
Earth-???? (Alternate Earth-20824)
Spider-Man (GBC)
Spider-Man 2: The Sinister Six
Spider-Man: Mysterio's Menace
 
Don't forget the What If...? modes in that too.

Iron Man, War Machine and Human Torch share voice actors between Earth-92131 and Earth-534834, notably. The X-Men share a similar design in Fantastic Four, and we see Juggernaut crawl out of the ocean in Fantastic Four after Gladiator launched him in X-Men. Also, there's a Ben Rilly in Earth-534834 so the Clone Saga must have happened.
 
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Also, there's a Ben Rilly in Earth-534834 so the Clone Saga must have happened.
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Interestingly the Ben Reilly Suit contains a bio that tells that the clone saga also happened before the events of the video game. In Spider-Man (1994) before Spider-Man got to BattleWorld, Miles Warren was planing on cloning him (and did it in the Spider-Carnage Universe)
So in a short of broad strokes it all fits together

Spider-Man (1994)/X-Men (1992)
(Clon Saga)
(Venom escapes the Dark Dimension as seen in X-Men 97' trailer)
(At some point Spider-Man rescues the real Mary Jane and marries her, also Carnage escapes the Dark Dimension somehow)
Spider-Man (2000)

The only thing is that officially they are alternate universes, ugh
 
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Jozaca said:
The only thing is that officially they are alternate universes, ugh
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My personal idea/head-canon is that the different Jubilee incarnations are the different universes, and the events are all loosely the same in each with continuity errors being explained by the reincarnations.

So, things like the president or Sasquatch are non-issues because they are part of different timelines.
 
Pro Bot said:
My personal idea/head-canon is that the different Jubilee incarnations are the different universes, and the events are all loosely the same in each with continuity errors being explained by the reincarnations.

So, things like the president or Sasquatch are non-issues because they are part of different timelines.
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the reincarnations combined with basic chaos theory are enough of an excuse for any deviation between each life
 
The basic theory would place the deviance in around 1978 with Jubilee's birth. The only confusion comes from fixed loop time travel paradoxes, but that's an error even within the shows themselves.
 
Pro Bot said:
My personal idea/head-canon is that the different Jubilee incarnations are the different universes, and the events are all loosely the same in each with continuity errors being explained by the reincarnations.

So, things like the president or Sasquatch are non-issues because they are part of different timelines.
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Yes, but I personally don't like the idea of all of those universes ending in Sentinel Apocalypse
 
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Spider-Man Unlimited does not fit into this timeline because of the very different history for the symbiote backstories. Some details are similar (Jameson's shuttle crashing on bridge), but not the same (S.H.I.E.L.D. capturing Brock, no Dormammu). It was also confirmed separate by the showrunner of Spider-Man (1994). Though, there are some suggestions that it is linked.

https://animesuperhero.com/forums/threads/spider-man-and-spider-man-unlimited-linked.3405201/"[Spider-Man] Unlimited" fits into continuity during the time Mary Jane and Peter were engaged [in Spider-Man, the Animated Series]. (Wizard #97, page 78)
So, uh... when Mary Jane was a water clone? Wtf?


https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-7831This is a variant Earth of Spider-Man Unlimited. Weirdly, they thought of it as a continuation of Spider-Man (1994) as well, where that show happens, then Spider-Man Unlimited, and then Peter gets slaughtered for a time.

https://www.cbr.com/nycc-marvels-spider-man-the-clone-conspiracy-panel-with-slott-and-more/Another fan question asked why the 1990s cartoon Spider-Man wasn't in "Spider-Verse." Lowe said they decided the "Spider-Man Unlimited" Spider-Man was the same character.

How many tangential worlds are there to the 1990s animated cartoons?
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So wait, the showrunmer of the original series says that they're not connected, but everyone else say it Is?
 
Jozaca said:
Yes, but I personally don't like the idea of all of those universes ending in Sentinel Apocalypse
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In Incarnation 1, all we know is that Jubilee was murdered by a sentinel in an arcade. A lot of them don't show what's going on at all times. Incarnation 5 has everyone on the planet becoming a mutant and fighting a powerful Celestial, with us never finding out what happens (Jubilee got killed in the fight than bounced back to her birth? XD).
 
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In Incarnation 1, all we know is that Jubilee was murdered by a sentinel in an arcade. A lot of them don't show what's going on at all times. Incarnation 5 has everyone on the planet becoming a mutant and fighting a powerful Celestial, with us never finding out what happens (Jubilee got killed in the fight than bounced back to her birth? XD).
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yeah i assumed they lost the celestial fight because of her and the reason they did the whole house of x reincarnation thing in the first place was to explain it away
 
Oh, another thing, like with how time travel often splits the previous timeline off into it's own thing, I believe that X-Men '92 was technically Earth-92131 until the moment of Jubilee's death.
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Source: X-Men '92 Vol. 2 #3
 

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