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1. Thank you, I appreciate it!
2. Yes, but it's a divergent timeline where he kills the guy behind him during the climax, preventing his apparent "death".
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2. Yes, but it's a divergent timeline where he kills the guy behind him during the climax, preventing his apparent "death".
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Tony looks good for a 70 year old dead guy, or that's a shockingly good impersonator.
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Talking of Scarface, I'm gonna assume that Scarface: The World is Yours (the video game they made for the PS2/Xbox) is also a divergent timeline owing to Tony's survival and rebuilding his empire before eventually killing Sosa, right?
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Yep. I'm taking the comic book sequel as canon since it doesn't actually change any on-screen events, and the video game as a divergent timeline where Tony doesn't almost get killed.
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21st October 2011.
I don't Know.
26th July 2012.
2nd August 2012.
7th August 2012.
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Missing the Car Shop heist. (set in 18th March 2015).
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The Future will only tell...
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What are these based off of, by the way? It might drastically change the timeline if accurate, since Charon would be alive in 2017. Not a big deal, I can move Chapter 4 to 2021 (the Continental working with Wick and the crew is definitely weird), but yeah.
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oh, the only 1-2 times they reference a date in-game, some text and the tapes. for the passage of time, the payday files and these 2 documents:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=901700279
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https://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/27/2860219962094221892/I agree with this theory, although I think Bodhi just started a second list and he completed his first Ozaki 8 when he managed to survive the wave at the end of the movie. Realistically he would have died, but luckily there's no body. I think Payday 2 is supposed to be a sequel to Point Break.
Edit: Nevermind. "FBI Academy 2015", "October 13", "last 30th was a friday" (matches October 2015), hmm... the Bodhi briefing video mentions events from Point Break so at least the main events take place before the crossover heists.
Two possibilities:
1. We follow the movie's timeline and place the ending in April 2016, and assume that Bodhi survived the wave then returned to the gang.
2. We ignore the 17 months later (Homecoming situation) and place the end of the film in 2018-2019, with the assumption that Bodhi died. It is mentioned in the movie that a wave that size could take years to show up again, which means it isn't unlikely that the gap would be longer.
Edit: Nevermind. "FBI Academy 2015", "October 13", "last 30th was a friday" (matches October 2015), hmm... the Bodhi briefing video mentions events from Point Break so at least the main events take place before the crossover heists.
Two possibilities:
1. We follow the movie's timeline and place the ending in April 2016, and assume that Bodhi survived the wave then returned to the gang.
2. We ignore the 17 months later (Homecoming situation) and place the end of the film in 2018-2019, with the assumption that Bodhi died. It is mentioned in the movie that a wave that size could take years to show up again, which means it isn't unlikely that the gap would be longer.
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The Rumors and Stories text crawl after completing the secret ending suggests Payday 2 is a John Wick prequel, but the problem storywise is that John can mention his deceased dog in the game, and during Hoxton's Breakout, Hoxton has a chance to ask how Wick's family has been doing, then asks if he'd just said something bad once John gives him an awkward silence. He also has scars from the first film in the game, but I'm already ignoring them as it is.
Point is, if I absolutely have to, I can move John Wick 1-3 to 2023+, although that is very contradictory to the rest of the evidence. It might have been an attempt at fixing John's relationship with the Continental during Payday 2 since they're not trying to kill him.
Also, Payday reference in John Wick: Chapter 2. It's seemingly a two-way canon in any case.
I've got Payday 3, so I'll see the timeline of that after Hardcore Henry.
Point is, if I absolutely have to, I can move John Wick 1-3 to 2023+, although that is very contradictory to the rest of the evidence. It might have been an attempt at fixing John's relationship with the Continental during Payday 2 since they're not trying to kill him.
Also, Payday reference in John Wick: Chapter 2. It's seemingly a two-way canon in any case.
I've got Payday 3, so I'll see the timeline of that after Hardcore Henry.
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There's a Payday 2 video game poster in Hardcore Henry, but seeing as how Jimmy and Akan were in the Payday 2 live-action trailer (which is a prequel, along with the HH Heists), and the movie has an easter egg of Jimmy's mask from the game, I guess there's just an in-universe Payday game series.
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Well, should be fully updated now, minus chapter breakdowns. Obviously still going through Payday 3, but all the heists are added with the starting point following the release date format as with the rest of that series.
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If John Wick is set after Payday 2 despite the references to his dog and wife in dialogue, then it'd actually be set in at least 2023 (probably later), since John Wick was retired for 5 years. Rather than ignoring the dates in the films, I've compromised and placed John Wick 1-3 in 2014 and Chapter 4 in 2021, so Charon is still alive during the John Wick heists but the references still match, though ignoring statements that Chapter 4 is months after Chapter 3 and that the Continental appear to ally themselves with the Payday gang despite Wick being excommunicated at this point.
I'm ignoring Rumors and Stories when it comes to John Wick for now (unless people prefer John Wick to be after Payday 2?), but it certainly gives a fix if future John Wick media enforces a condensed timeline between 3 and 4.
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Updated with Chapter breakdowns and the FBI Files (Internal Memos, anyway). Payday's timeline is so convoluted, lol.
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What's left to add on the Payday side?
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The FBI Files has in-universe files on all the heists and characters, but not a lot of timeline indicators for when they were written. Also, the Heist list is in the wrong order. I think it's supposed to be chronological, but they have Election Day after a Christmas Heist they state occurred on December 24, 2014, and another Christmas Heist, placing it in 2016, but there's very explicit 2014 dates in that heist. The same goes with Story Line/Career Mode in the game, the Heists are just in the wrong order. Release order makes much more sense.
https://fbi.paydaythegame.com/
If Payday 3 crosses over with Breaking Bad, Money Heist or something else that already has a huge continuity I'm gonna be pissed, lol. It'd be fun but really annoying for me.
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Reservoir Dogs could be canon if the heist is all copycat identities of the originals from 1992 (except possibly Mr. Pink). I mean, it could be, doesn't mean it is.
Anyway, the "Realer than Real" Tarantino-Verse goes something like this anyway.
1858 - Django Unchained
1877 - The Hateful Eight
1944 - Inglourious Basterds
1969 - Once Upon a Time in Holywood
1992 - Reservoir Dogs
1993 - True Romance
1994 - Pulp Fiction
Oh... and:
1882 - A Million Ways to Die in the West
You know, with the Django cameo... and Doc Brown... you know, maybe Doc Brown can explain Reservoir Dogs and Hotline Miami's existence, lol. Kidding.
Oh, and Django is a decendant of Shaft. So... that's a thing. Also, Django is referenced in Kill Bill, so are we even sure it's part of the "real" universe? Or, perhaps this is one of those crossover points between his two universes.
Either way, all parallel timelines I take it.
Anyway, the "Realer than Real" Tarantino-Verse goes something like this anyway.
1858 - Django Unchained
1877 - The Hateful Eight
1944 - Inglourious Basterds
1969 - Once Upon a Time in Holywood
1992 - Reservoir Dogs
1993 - True Romance
1994 - Pulp Fiction
Oh... and:
1882 - A Million Ways to Die in the West
You know, with the Django cameo... and Doc Brown... you know, maybe Doc Brown can explain Reservoir Dogs and Hotline Miami's existence, lol. Kidding.
Oh, and Django is a decendant of Shaft. So... that's a thing. Also, Django is referenced in Kill Bill, so are we even sure it's part of the "real" universe? Or, perhaps this is one of those crossover points between his two universes.
Either way, all parallel timelines I take it.
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That's actually a comic canon to the Tarantino-Verse: Django/Zorro, naturally a crossover based on the unmade film. I don't know the implications of that, but Zorro exists in the Tarantino-Verse... one of them, anyway.
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Year Movie
1500 Shin kage no Gundan
1500 kage without Gundan
1858-59 Django Unleashed (2012)
1865 The Bastard Eight (2015)
1882 Albert to the West
1913 From dusk to dawn
1941 The Inglourious Basterds
1944 The Inglourious Basterds
1950s road racing
1969 Once upon a time... in
Hollywood (2019)
1970s Grindhouse: Global Terror
1970s Grindhouse: Proof of Death
1987 My Best Friend's Birthday
1992 Reservoir Dogs (1992)
1992 The Mariachis (1992)
1993 True Romance (1993)
1994 Born Killers (1994)
1994 Pulp Fiction (1994)
1994 Life of Crime
1995 Four bedrooms
1995Jackie Brown (1997)
1995 Desperate
1996 Curd
1998 Out of sight
1996 From Dusk Till Dawn (1996)
1998 From Dusk Till Dawn 2
Tree 2000
2001 Child Spies
2003 Kill Bill Vol. 1
2003 Once Upon a Time in Mexico... Desperado 2 (2003)
2002 Spy Kids 2: Budding spies
2003 Spy Kids 3: Mission 3D
2003-2004Karen Sisco
2004 Kill Bill Vol. 2
2005 Sin City
2007 Grindhouse: Planetary Terror
2007 Grindhouse: Proof of Death
Machete killings in 2009
2010-2015 Justified
2011 Spy Kids 4: All the Time in the World
2014 Sin City
2016 A machete kills again in space
Tree 2019
2022 Justified: City Primeval
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Just for fun, here's what a list that takes all direct crossovers in Payday as canon (except Left 4 Dead). Yep, this makes no sense. Yep, I'm thoroughly entertained by it as a list.
1858 - Django Unchained
19?? - Django/Zorro #1-7
1877 - The Hateful Eight
1944 - Inglourious Basterds
1969 - Once Upon a Time in Holywood
1970 - Scarface: Devil in Disguise #2
1979 - The Continental: From the World of John Wick 1x01-1x03
1980 - Scarface: Devil in Disguise #1
1980 - Scarface: Devil in Disguise #3-4
1983 - Scarface
1984 - Scarface: Scarred for Life #1-5
1985 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number #5
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #5
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #1-3
1989 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number Digital Comic #2
1989 - Hotline Miami
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #7
1989 - Hotline Miami: Carl
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #4
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #6
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #8
1989 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number Digital Comic #1
1991 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number Digital Comic #3-4
1991 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
1992 - Reservoir Dogs
1993 - True Romance
1994 - Pulp Fiction
200? - John Wick #1-5
200? - John Wick: Hex
2011 - Hardcore Akan #1
2011 - Payday: The Heist
2013 - Payday 2
2014 - Goat Simulator
2015 - Point Break
2022 - Goat Simulator 3
2023 - Payday 3
2024 - John Wick
2024 - John Wick Chronicles: An Eye for An Eye
2024 - John Wick: Chapter 2
2024 - John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum
2025 - John Wick: Chapter 4
203? - Hardcore Henry
Obviously Hotline Miami is probably set in an alternate timeline and Goat Simulator would be some sort of digital reality, per Goat Simulator 3, but ignoring that, lol.
1858 - Django Unchained
19?? - Django/Zorro #1-7
1877 - The Hateful Eight
1944 - Inglourious Basterds
1969 - Once Upon a Time in Holywood
1970 - Scarface: Devil in Disguise #2
1979 - The Continental: From the World of John Wick 1x01-1x03
1980 - Scarface: Devil in Disguise #1
1980 - Scarface: Devil in Disguise #3-4
1983 - Scarface
1984 - Scarface: Scarred for Life #1-5
1985 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number #5
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #5
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #1-3
1989 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number Digital Comic #2
1989 - Hotline Miami
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #7
1989 - Hotline Miami: Carl
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #4
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #6
1989 - Hotline Miami: Wildlife #8
1989 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number Digital Comic #1
1991 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number Digital Comic #3-4
1991 - Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number
1992 - Reservoir Dogs
1993 - True Romance
1994 - Pulp Fiction
200? - John Wick #1-5
200? - John Wick: Hex
2011 - Hardcore Akan #1
2011 - Payday: The Heist
2013 - Payday 2
2014 - Goat Simulator
2015 - Point Break
2022 - Goat Simulator 3
2023 - Payday 3
2024 - John Wick
2024 - John Wick Chronicles: An Eye for An Eye
2024 - John Wick: Chapter 2
2024 - John Wick: Chapter 3 - Parabellum
2025 - John Wick: Chapter 4
203? - Hardcore Henry
Obviously Hotline Miami is probably set in an alternate timeline and Goat Simulator would be some sort of digital reality, per Goat Simulator 3, but ignoring that, lol.
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I was wondering if we could include John's time in the Fortnite Universe between 3 and 4?
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I mean, I suppose so. There's not really any narrative links like with Marvel and DC though.
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No doubt, but without any narrative, it's just a skin. Even with Marvel, I don't count the skins being used in gameplay as canon because it's literally just an appearance, but the comic tie-ins and events are canon to Earth-616.
With John Wick... it's just a skin. Sure, a version of John Wick may have came to the Island, but it isn't tied with the films. It could be a split timeline, like the majority of Dead by Daylight crossovers are (although certain skins do break this, Chucky having the cuts from later films for example means that there should be two versions of Chucky in the Entity's Realm).
Also, can you imagine the absurdity of a John Wick/Fortnite comic? Ew, lol.
Actually, count Wick's fingers in Fortnite. That'll tell you the timeline, XD.
With John Wick... it's just a skin. Sure, a version of John Wick may have came to the Island, but it isn't tied with the films. It could be a split timeline, like the majority of Dead by Daylight crossovers are (although certain skins do break this, Chucky having the cuts from later films for example means that there should be two versions of Chucky in the Entity's Realm).
Also, can you imagine the absurdity of a John Wick/Fortnite comic? Ew, lol.
Actually, count Wick's fingers in Fortnite. That'll tell you the timeline, XD.
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hi
I made the timeline of Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez in the conversation and I think it would be part of your timeline that you made. because there are a lot of links about their films.
